P3 Provari

[six]

I'm still confused over the advantages of VW over VV?

None. They are the same thing. ... and I don't care who gets mad at me for saying that. It's true. Got a resistor you are hoping to produce heat with? Want more watts, you add more volts. Add more volts, you get more watts. And for whatever watts you want, you need to add the exact same volts to get it no matter if you started out wanting watts or you started out adding volts to get to the watts you want. They are the same exact thing.

 

[jensy]

Thanks for the link.

 

[jwbnyc]

The deal with VW is that, theoretically, you can take different attys, with different resistances, and swap them in and out without having to adjust anything, assuming you like to vape at a particular power level, so no twiddling required. The device does the twiddling for you.

But.

Theory aside, I personally have never found matching wattage output between different resistances, to result in equivalent vapes.

There are always other variables that will influence the quality of the vape.

 

[ImThatGuy]

No they're not. Watts is the measurement of heat (some will counter and say joules).

You can't run around answering people the same answer with the question of how hot am I vaping at 4 volts when everyone uses different resistance in their atomizers. Regardless of what atomizer they have and it is set at 8 watts (example), it is 8 watts in relation to the resistance with the power (voltage) being applied.

Try vaping 4 volts on a 1.5ohm atomizer. (10.6 watts)
Try vaping 4 volts on a 2.0ohm atomizer. (8 watts)
Try vaping 4 volts on a 3.0ohm atomizer. (5.3 watts)

Tell me, are you satisfied with 4 volts on those 3 different resistance? Those are big differences to vapor production and quality of the vape.

They are not the same exact thing.

The convenience of setting a wattage is it performs and vapes at that watt (cold/hot). No matter what resistance the atomizer is. You will vape at the watts you set be it 8, 10, or 20, etc. With voltage you have to adjust to the resistance of the atomizer to get an optimal preferred vape.

 

[imsoenthused]

I love my ProVari and will not be buying a P3. Their isn't anything wrong with it, it's just limited to a certain kind of vaping. Unfortunately, it's not enough of an improvement in that narrow area for me to see any reason to upgrade. I'm sure the fit and finish will be perfect, as usual. If I didn't already own a perfectly good ProVari I would probably get one, but within the narrow window of what it can do I already have those needs met.

I really don't think it's some kind of terrible attack to say it doesn't push the envelope enough to be a necessary upgrade from the ProVari I already own. Nor do I think I'm crazy for wanting modern performance AND the famous Provape quality in one package. I'm not attacking the P3, I was just hoping it would have good enough specs to do what my ProVari and my mechanicals do in one device without being an ugly little box. From that point of view, it disappoints.

 

[Troll from behind]

Funny lil buggers these watts are.
Did get one VW-mod once, tried it, didn't fancy.
If U only use same juice with the same PG/VG-ratio within a same device it might work, but I like to use different toppers (KF-like, dripper, some gennies mixed with occasional Aero Tank or Nautilus) and I ended up adjusting the watts every time something was changed.
So I went back to OKR-boxes.

 

[six]

They are not the same exact thing.
.

They are indeed the exact same thing. Unless you are going to take us to Zero Kelvin, you can not defy ohms law.

And, just so you understand where VV/VW came from to begin with, here is the exact moment in history where VV/VW was thought of and the fellow who thought of it created the first Variable Voltage PV called the Buzz (there was a selectable voltage device out a few weeks before the Buzz, but it was not variable) and began selling it. The first notcigs chip had a 9w maximum output.

And, FYI, it wasn't that long ago we didn't have a bunch of choices for resistance nor did we have rebuildables that allowed us to customize the resistance. We did indeed say, "At 4.0v" or "at 5.0v" or "at 6.0v" and it made perfect sense to everyone reading.... because our choices were 2.4, 2.5, 3.0 and 3.5 ohms. When LR appeared, it was 2.0 ohms... then 1.5... then 1.8 and 1.7... then dual coils came along... and by then, yes. We had to say things like "2.0 ohms at 4.0v" which still made perfect sense because P=E_squared/R.

If you want to go the other way to calculate volts necessary instead of watts produced and say E = the square root of (P X R), that's fine with me... but there is no pretending they are different... at least not at any temperature that will sustain life.

 

[Rickajho]

Someone in another thread alluded to it having a 5 Amp limit, which means it won't go far past 15W on a .7Ω coil.

This thing is barely out of the Provari 2.5 playground. Barely.

I'll give it this, if the limitations of the 2.5 aren't sweating ya, this is definitely an aesthetic improvement over the older dildo.. er I mean Provari. You're certainly not gaining any added usability on the power front, that's for sure.

Hold on to your carto-tanks and Kayfuns Provarinati, you're kind of still stuck in that theatre.

This thing is looking more and more like an eVic Supreme - but with a lower wattage limit at probably two to three times the price of an eVic Supreme.

 

[NathanielFT]

Provari is a Buick. Reliable is never outdated.

If you want a sports car, then buy a sports car mod.

I don't get this push for ALL vaping to go high tech. Most people just want a reliable everyday mod, for the same reason Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, etc. are best selling models for decade after decade. Most people seem to like "basic stuff" that has a good warranty and serves them for a long time.

Provari does that. IN spades.

I don't need GPS and fancy. I have a toyota tacoma, i live in the woods, it drives over rocks, tree stumps, up the sides of mountain, over curbs, whatever. It is not a smooth ride, the suspension wasn't made for that. City folk might prefer a Lexus or BMW.

Provari was always a tad heavy for me, which is only reason I don't have one anymore, but I just might buy one in classies again to keep around the house.

Don't get me wrong and think i'm saying it is a bad device, it is just not for me or people with similar requirements as me.

For those just substituting cigarettes and want a sturdy reliable device, this will be by a mile the best device you can get. Users that stay on or below 20w like kayfun/rba and clearo tank users this is probably the best device. The mod can tell you it's health or IQ, to me that's amazing, it gives messages in plain English and reads coils down to 2dp, brilliant.

My vaping habits means this couldn't ever replace a mech or a high power box mod - for me. But for the devices this competes with like the semovar, dani, aerovape, etc, there's not much competition and this might blow them out the water. It has a load new features - some gimmicky others useful, IMO, but power wise not much of an upgrade so owners of the older versions won't feel the need to rush out and get one straight away, apart from the dedicated fanboys.

Provape's all about safe vaping, so maybe (or hopefully) when battery technology is further developed and safer, provape will make the provari cater to the high power users, or even bring out a separate device for the sub ohm vapers. I would imagine if provape released a 150w mod, not only would it be the safest cloud chasing device, but it would probably be the most fully featured and durable device too. Here's hoping.

But for now, for me, as nice and fully featured this mod is, the amp limit and 20w restriction would mean this would be used as little more the the fanciest and priciest ohm meter in the world

 

[cocacola31173]

Who's to say that a Provari 20 watts will be better the other products wattage. I know when I use my Provari at the same voltage that I use my other mods the provari is clearly better.

Maybe that will show in the wattage as well. I like the look of it but unless it just a little bit more expensive I am perfectly happy with my 2.5.

 

[tj99959]

VW is an automatic transmission, VV is a standard transmission. They both supply power to the rear wheels.

Any PV is what it is, and there is no such thing as a one shoe fits all feet .... never will be. There are just as many folks out there that say XXX PV won't adjust low enough as there are folks that say YYY PV won't adjust high enough. Guess that's why I have more than one PV.

Yes I have a Provari (P-2 Mini), and I suppose I use it 1/4 of the time. I also use VW (Kick-2) 1/4 of the time. Guess that means I use VR (mechanical) 1/2 of the time.

I suppose the bottom line is, do I need a P3 ........ probably not. Would I like to have a P3 ......... time will tell. It's not like I'll run out of things to power my vaping anytime soon.

 

[stevegmu]

Looks nice. I'll be glad to not being reading any more, "ProVaris doesn't have VW because it would make them less reliable, ProVaris don't have VW becuase there's not a reason for VW", etc, etc, etc posts.

Yes, but now the kids who would never buy one anyway will cry about how it doesn't have enough power...

 

[Explicit]

I really like the idea of having a top end that comes apart in 3 different pieces. The unit looks all around pretty slick. I am a box mod guy at heart so probably wont be picking one of these up, but it`s nice to see Provape taking the next evolutionary step in their devices.

 

[KenD]

Thanks for the link. This looks interesting, now I think I might consider a Provari. It looks good (the 2 and 2.5 didn't, in my opinion), you can use low resistance coils on it (wouldn't need to recoil when moving an atty from a mech to the p3, I rarely go below 0.7 ohms), lots of nice features. Would've been nice with 30w though, to have some wiggle room, and I'm still not a fan of the one button design. Probably too expensive for my tastes, but I will be considering.

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[roosterado]

Just like there are Subaru Lovers There Are Provari Lovers. I like Subaru's but have never had one. I have never owned a Porvari so now is the right time for me to pull The Trigger. I'm a Big RTA Fan. When I get my P3 I'll put the Seigeli 20watt away for back-up. Wait I have the 26650 tube from VariTube for my Seigeli. Guess I will just have to use both lol

 

[seahawkin]

Don't know yet, but it is the most exciting thing I have seen in a bit. Has all the things I complain about my provari meow. But even with my present provari gripes, it is my go to and I carry it everywhere.

 

[karlmetz]

Ok! The BIG questions: when, how much and can I get on a pre-order list!

 

[rbrylawski]

Ok! The BIG questions: when, how much and can I get on a pre-order list!

They're only going to be available at your. B&M to start. Pricing and date available hasn't been set. But if you want to be the first to get one, speak with your Provari dealer.

 

[stevegmu]

It is going to have to be a good deal more than the 2.5, especially with the extra parts and to not make the 2.5 obsolete. My guess is it will be released on the ProVape site at $259.99 and $300 at dealers...

 

[serenity21899]

Thank you, um, I think!! I still don't quite get why VW makes a hill of beans difference. Maybe it's because I'm not a RBA-dude and my heads use standard coils almost exclusively in 1.8 ohm. Before I got my Provari, I had a Smoktech VV/VW device. I tried it both ways and simply couldn't tell any difference. If the coil heats up, turns the liquid to vapor, which tastes good and gives me a nice vaping experience, maybe I'm stupid but I just don't care if it does it's magic measured in volts or watts.

It's 2 different ways of getting to the same place.