Well OK, don't want to come across like a dumdass but I remember reading (on a Snus 'org' site) that the "Camel" logo, etc. was purchased from RJR legally.
PACT ACT Concerns!
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I been looking around just now, damned if I can find any articles about the trademark infringement case now.
Suffice to say the last I'd heard was nothing other than, "Not for sale to U.S. customers"...
Suffice to say the last I'd heard was nothing other than, "Not for sale to U.S. customers"...
BUT WHY? This sucks (I liked the 2 Camel versions). Lucky Strike is a different brand Manufacturer than RJR. Bottom line - I would hope the Swedes will let us know what their NEW NAMES are for Camel & Luckies / I could care less about the logos.
RJR "owns" the trademark of Lucky Strike in North America. The Swedish snus of the same name is manufactured by British American tobacco. BAT has the trademark rights in Europe.
I don't have the particulars but it's a similar deal with respect to the Swedish Camel snus.
Several threads at snuson.com end with the same advice. If ya want it that bad go on vacation to Europe
I don't have the particulars but it's a similar deal with respect to the Swedish Camel snus.
Several threads at snuson.com end with the same advice. If ya want it that bad go on vacation to Europe
I forgot about the BAT connection. What are you - some kind of Snus attorney? (smile)
I wrote to Senators Schumer and Gillibrand of NY State, expressing my concerns over the PACT legislation and how it could negatively impact on people's vaping rights. Schumer sent a generic "thank you for your email - we receive many emails daily and cannot reply to each one...yada, yada, yada." But Gillibrand replied, and here is her email to me:
"Thank you for writing to me about S. 1147, the Preventing All Cigarette Trafficking of 2009 (PACT) Act. While I understand and respect the concerns that you have with this legislation, I have decided to add my name as a cosponsor to this bill for several reasons that I find important.
One of the primary purposes of the PACT Act is to eliminate the ability of minors to purchase cigarettes over the internet. This bill requires that all purchasers of cigarettes and smokeless tobacco present positive age identification upon receipt of the product which they have purchased. This means that an individual receiving home delivery of a pack or carton of cigarettes must show some form of identification, such as a driver's license, in the same manner as if they purchased the tobacco product at a local store. I believe that it is currently too easy for minors to purchase tobacco products online under false pretenses, and this legislation will stop this unsafe practice.
This bill also increases enforcement against the black market sale of cigarettes, which undercut legitimate commerce and cost millions of dollars in lost revenues to companies legally engaged in the sale of tobacco products. Adults who wish to purchase tobacco on the internet will still be allowed to under this legislation; however, those products cannot be carried through the U.S. Postal Service. Other common carriers, such as Fed-Ex and UPS, will still be allowed to transport online purchases so long as delivery is made in person to an individual of legal age.
Though we may respectfully disagree on this particular issue, it is my intent, and that of my colleagues in the United States Senate, to protect the health and safety of children around New York and the United States from the harmful effects of underage smoking. While this legislation may be considered burdensome by some, it is my hope that it will protect lawful commerce and ensure that cigarettes are only made available to those individuals legally able to purchase them.
Thank you again for writing to express your concerns, and I hope that you keep in touch with my office regarding future legislation and concerns you may have."
Perhaps the wording of the law, and the intent, is such that we have nothing to worry about.
"Thank you for writing to me about S. 1147, the Preventing All Cigarette Trafficking of 2009 (PACT) Act. While I understand and respect the concerns that you have with this legislation, I have decided to add my name as a cosponsor to this bill for several reasons that I find important.
One of the primary purposes of the PACT Act is to eliminate the ability of minors to purchase cigarettes over the internet. This bill requires that all purchasers of cigarettes and smokeless tobacco present positive age identification upon receipt of the product which they have purchased. This means that an individual receiving home delivery of a pack or carton of cigarettes must show some form of identification, such as a driver's license, in the same manner as if they purchased the tobacco product at a local store. I believe that it is currently too easy for minors to purchase tobacco products online under false pretenses, and this legislation will stop this unsafe practice.
This bill also increases enforcement against the black market sale of cigarettes, which undercut legitimate commerce and cost millions of dollars in lost revenues to companies legally engaged in the sale of tobacco products. Adults who wish to purchase tobacco on the internet will still be allowed to under this legislation; however, those products cannot be carried through the U.S. Postal Service. Other common carriers, such as Fed-Ex and UPS, will still be allowed to transport online purchases so long as delivery is made in person to an individual of legal age.
Though we may respectfully disagree on this particular issue, it is my intent, and that of my colleagues in the United States Senate, to protect the health and safety of children around New York and the United States from the harmful effects of underage smoking. While this legislation may be considered burdensome by some, it is my hope that it will protect lawful commerce and ensure that cigarettes are only made available to those individuals legally able to purchase them.
Thank you again for writing to express your concerns, and I hope that you keep in touch with my office regarding future legislation and concerns you may have."
Perhaps the wording of the law, and the intent, is such that we have nothing to worry about.
The wording is ok, but the intent goes leaps and bounds beyond the response from Senator Gillibrand. Not only is it a money making move for taxes, but it'll probably encompass any type of tobacco, not just smokes
. Gillibrands response was probably written by someone on the PR/Damage Control team.
The wording is ok, but the intent goes leaps and bounds beyond the response from Senator Gillibrand. Not only is it a money making move for taxes, but it'll probably encompass any type of tobacco, not just smokes
I agree TV. The problem with these Liberals is that they LIE. If that was the only intent, to stop minors from having access, that would be one thing. But the real reason has a lot to do with money. BT is losing sales and the taxes aren't being collected on the black market sales.
I guess 2010 will be no different that 2009.
Not to mention all the missed revenues by online sales of Swedish snus. What is now around $2.75-3.25 will double. And some don't believe in conspiracies (pacing floor....spitting) 
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Not to mention all the missed revenues by online sales of Swedish snus. What is now around $2.75-3.25 will double. And some don't believe in conspiracies (pacing floor....spitting)
hehe he said conspiracies...
Hey guess what TV! I got my H1N1 last week. Snuck right past the armed Natl. Guard contingent and did it vountarily
I didn't get much of a response but I did ask of the snuff vendors in Europe what their thoughts where re the PACT Act and sales to the US. They didn't see where it would be much of an effect.
Plenty of suggestions for them to roll the snuff up in tobacco leaves and and call 'em cigars though!
hehe he said conspiracies...
Hey guess what TV! I got my H1N1 last week. Snuck right past the armed Natl. Guard contingent and did it vountarily
Here last month the local hospital had reserved shots for my HAZMAT team. At the onset it sounded as if my employer was mandating it and I came UNGLUED. Turned out it was a strong recommendation, only. 'Course, my views may differ from others, but I still feel the H1N1 pandemic is a crock aimed at public reliance on the governments ability to know what's good for us so we give them more control over our individual lives.
Pardon me while I go scream at the walls again. I hope there's no effect, but if so, Swedish cigars would work
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...but I still feel the H1N1 pandemic is a crock aimed at public reliance on the governments ability to know what's good for us so we give them more control over our individual lives.
I hope there's no effect, but if so, Swedish cigars would work
While I did get the shot you do know I was just playin', stirring the pot so to say
Yes indeed, I see snus cigars and snuff cigars in our future. Tax and spend, spend and tax would appear to be the name of the game...
'Course I didWhile I did get the shot you do know I was just playin', stirring the pot so to say
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. Can't let a good rant go to waste, though, can we? You knew what was coming, so I couldn't let you down .
Happy to have been of service
Did you notice I pulled the same thing yesterday with the "Forced vaccination" thread? It had been idle for a month, I pulled it back up with my comment of getting the shot and almost immediately folks bit.
Such easy fun
Did you notice I pulled the same thing yesterday with the "Forced vaccination" thread? It had been idle for a month, I pulled it back up with my comment of getting the shot and almost immediately folks bit.
Such easy fun
I admire your styleHappy to have been of service
Did you notice I pulled the same thing yesterday with the "Forced vaccination" thread? It had been idle for a month, I pulled it back up with my comment of getting the shot and almost immediately folks bit.
Such easy fun
. I'll have to look that up .
I admire your style
Just don't comment! I think it's dead again...8-o
Dang, I looked, but I can't find it. Looked in the lounge and health...Point me the way, ginman.
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