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The Wiz!PACT ACT Concerns!
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I explained to my boss today while taking a pinch of packard club. " IT is older than the U.S. the taking of snuff, it is my heritage, your heritage and every single american walking the face of the earth. It is also older than time recorded of the enjoyment of herbs!"
kinda made him .....
Now to find decent whole leaf tobacco and I will start just making my own.
kinda made him .....
Now to find decent whole leaf tobacco and I will start just making my own.
Hi Guys, Well, nothing like still waking up and still feeling terrible about all this.
Just looking around the internet I found this that is bothersome posted by Roderick at Toque about UPS, FEDex, DHL has a voluntary code NOT to ship tobacco products, but they've never enforced it. Hopefully, they never will, but this is the 1st I've seen about this and I wasn't aware of that before.
It's Post #6: Snuffhouse.org - How prepared are you?
I guess the loophole is buy a cigar and throw it in the box...since, cigars are exempt from all this, then the Post Office will deliver?? - Nope.
Just looking around the internet I found this that is bothersome posted by Roderick at Toque about UPS, FEDex, DHL has a voluntary code NOT to ship tobacco products, but they've never enforced it. Hopefully, they never will, but this is the 1st I've seen about this and I wasn't aware of that before.
It's Post #6: Snuffhouse.org - How prepared are you?
I guess the loophole is buy a cigar and throw it in the box...since, cigars are exempt from all this, then the Post Office will deliver?? - Nope.
I found out today that Northern has their warehouse about 45 minutes from my house in Pa. I also found a google link that said they sell out of the warehouse. I sent out to Northern to find out if they in fact do sell there.
Might be able to form the snuff/snus underground.
Might be able to form the snuff/snus underground.
I just fired off a nice letter (seriously) to my Congressman, explaining some of the history of snus, presenting it as a safer tobacco alternative, and outlining my objections to PACT (primarily no delivery by USPS and the blatant protectionism/anti-competition). I figured it wasn't even worth the electrons to try convincing a member of the House that a tax was a bad idea. Of course it will do zero good, but it feels better to have at least done something other than vent here. 
Think of the hubris of a government that believes they can stop the use of a plant with silly laws, when that plant has been used by humans for at least 8000 years.
I may be a little naive on this but once the snus is put in a box, ups or whoever will not know what is in it will they? I guess they could identify certain companies as tobacco distributors but I would think a quick name change might take care of that.
Well the same could be said of putting other illegal substances in a box and mailing them, but not many are willing to risk being charged with a felony in the event they got caught.
I did not realize it would be a felony for someone to ship tobacco via ups or fedex. I was just thinking about what sunset said about them having a voluntary no ship policy. Will the PACT act make it illegal for them to ship?
I'd love to see that be the case, but the bottom line is one package that accidentally gets torn open somewhere during the delivery process could potentially shutdown the offending business, impose ridiculous fines and/or imprisonment. Too much money is at stake for the governments and Big Tobacco. If contraband tobacco is still deemed a problem, I can eventually see high profile raids just like we see with illegal drugs......everything about this is out of whack, but for those who don't believe in conspiracies I'd ask where this is coming from. It's more than well meaning, misguided lawmakers
!! So, the bottom line is it isn't worth the risk to legitimate businesses.
Only USPS isn't allowed to ship it (although they can for research institutions and such). The big deal to me is the "sin tax" they impose. They have no right.....NONE. But like so many other things, they'll have their way. Dirty stink-holes
!!They don't want to give up the billions they reap in cigarettes taxes. So for things like vaping and snussing (or any other device or idea that maes it dead easy to quit smoking), they raise the taxes. They WILL make sure the golden goose of nicotine addiction continues to lay those golden egg$.
I'm sure this is covered elsewhere, but does anyone have a good guess on how long snus lasts in the freezer? That would probably help decide just how big of an order I put in as this abomination rolls forward in the House.
This might be off subject but I saw on the news the other day that the govt. in Kansas is considering putting a tax on soda. I think they said 10 cents per can. Is there anything else that they can think of to tax us on.
AllCoExPat, Over at snuscentral they say a year or more....Answers to Your Snus Questions and somewhere I read the nicotine starts to break down after a year, but I don't remember if that was frozen or not?
Must have something to do with the moisture content of snus....Snuff on the other hand seems to have some insane longevity! Scotches in particular seem to last for decades I have heard! I may still have some of the Scotches I have now left in 10 or 20years...LOL
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This is not true. I've been through this on a different thread months ago.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/law-e-cigarette/37029-u-s-pact-act-2009-a-30.html#post759696
The curriers had voluntarily said they would not ship cigarettes, but have never said anything about other tobacco products. The PACT act will not make it illegal to do so.
UPS: Shipping Tobacco
Edit: Saw this at snuson. This is from Clubsnus
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You're fast.....really fast. Are ya still leaping tall buildings in a single bound ?
?Stubby, Thanks, I did see that earlier from clubsnus over there.
Actually, I'm wondering if Toque will be able to ship into the states directly to consumers, which is how I ordered from him, after the dusts settles because of the tax issue. I don't see how they will be able to collect tax. For Toque it's almost a non-issue because we can purchase his products within the states anyway...just maybe not directly anymore.
PS Good to know Roderick was mistaken about the UPS voluntary code on non-delivery of tobacco products
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