PANIC MODE !

[Rossum]

Back when I joined ECF, it was almost entirely to combat the panic mode that was prevalent at the time. It wasn't too long after that I made a wager with a ECF member (used to be a prominent regular) about how much longer we'd be able to get product on the open market. I'm fairly certain the wager was for no later than 2015, as that was determined to be the time, we'd no longer have product available (namely eliquids with multiple flavor options).

At various times since then, I've countered all panic situations on the forum. It helps my ego knowing I was on the right side in those times, as in vaping has gone on without a hitch all the way up to now.

I currently think it is time to panic. At the same time, there's still plenty of reasons to be hopeful, and very good reason to believe a market will persist for adults who want to put eliquid in their devices, and have a multitude of flavor options. Quite likely teens will be in that market as well. Indefinitely. But the fact that DIY currently exists and stockpiling surely exists, means a market will persist, and some are about to get very rich if government tries to prohibit vaping to any degree on the open market.

With that said, ANTZ is pouncing hard enough right now, to bring the open legal market to a screeching halt. They'll fail, for sure over the long term. But they'll succeed enough to not just panic some vapers, but a whole lot of non-vapers who will be convinced that vaping nicotine is deadly harmful. You could die tonight!

Feel free to counter my current take on the situation. I probably wouldn't put up much resistance. But I do think by mid 2020, or for sure by mid 2021, the open legal market will be greatly curtailed (i.e. 95% of what's available now, won't be). Yet because of how much I believe the black market will be popular, I'm not worried.

I have no doubt you're right; there will be an "informal market". Where there's a demand, there will be a supply.

But personally, I'd rather not buy from "informal" vendors. I'd prefer to know exactly what's in my juice. We're seeing what the "informal" market for MJ extract vendors can do to people right before our eyes, and we know from past experience ~100 years ago that the informal market for alcohol often produced sub-standard or outright hazardous product. Thus I have absolutely no regrets that I spent 2-1/2 years socking away a lifetime's worth of nic base in my freezers, and four years accumulating really nice mechanical squonkers and quality atties that will outlast me.

Furthermore, in another year or two, it will be rather difficult to convince smokers that a switch to vaping would be beneficial to them if they have to buy their vape goods in a back alley somewhere.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I have no doubt you're right; there will be an "informal market". Where there's a demand, there will be a supply.

But personally, I'd rather not buy from "informal" vendors. I'd prefer to know exactly what's in my juice. We're seeing what the "informal" market for MJ extract vendors can do to people right before our eyes, and we know from past experience ~100 years ago that the informal market for alcohol often produced sub-standard or outright hazardous product. Thus I have absolutely no regrets that I spent 2-1/2 years socking away a lifetime's worth of nic base in my freezers, and four years accumulating really nice mechanical squonkers and quality atties that will outlast me.

Furthermore, in another year or two, it will be rather difficult to convince smokers that a switch to vaping would be beneficial to them if they have to buy their vape goods in a back alley somewhere.

No back alley's here, by definition they are criminals so the moral fiber is questionable at best. I am not often confronted with the stupidity of vaping but, on those rare occasions, I can confidently state that I know exactly what is in my liquid and it is not anti-freeze although my stuff won't freeze.

 

[LSU_Tiger]

I currently think it is time to panic. At the same time, there's still plenty of reasons to be hopeful, and very good reason to believe a market will persist for adults who want to put eliquid in their devices, and have a multitude of flavor options.

As a new member a relatively new vaper, what's your advice on how best to prepare for the upcoming sh*t-show that's about to come down upon us? I'm currently using a Smok Nord with 50mg salt nic juices and have no experience with DIY or box mods. Where do I get started and quick?

 

[Bunnykiller]

I am mixing 10mg, or 10%. I've only used about half of a liter in three years. So I should be alright...

huh? 10 mg/ml.. or is it 10% ( 100mg/ml).

 

[rosesense]

The problem I've found with o-rings is measuring them. Easy with screws. But I never found a way to measure the ring diameter because they are soft and bendy. The thickness isn't so difficult if you have good calipers.

I saw some cone shaped measuring devices on-line. You drop the ring on the cone and see how far it goes down. Good in theory but the ones I saw seemed to be designed for larger sizes.

Luckily for a lot of common tanks people have already done the work and you can find sizes somewhere on ECF. Like the KFL clones.

The one I never did find is tank seals rings for the Lemo. They are flat washer type rings. Even though people have measured them nobody ever found the exact size on sale.

Someone started a thread on ecf for things like orings. Mike have been @kross8

 

[englishmick]

have you tried measuring the groove the Oring sits in??

Er,,, I was just going to say that. You beat me to it that's all.

 

[fiddleshe]

Asmodus Colossal

Just ordered one for $24.95 plus shipping

 

[Horselady154]

They just had a couple of short segments about vaping on FOX. Had a doctor from Johns Hopkins. It was complete BS. More of the... we don't know what is causing the hospitalizations and deaths... then were all hand-wringing about the children. Even went so far to ask, what should we do if we see our child vaping? Really? How long have you been a parent? Then talked about that they know they all have something in common... the hardware. ugh.. Oh, and the doctor said that there were some studies that e-cigs were good at getting some people off of cigs, but there were also studies that showed there weren't. And, they already have methods already approved by the FDA and the CDC that are effective. Mentioned that there were some sicknesses from vaping several years ago. That was news to me. Anyone hear of anything?

 

[Horselady154]

Just ordered one for $24.95 plus shipping

Where?

 

[Bunnykiller]

the dreaded PopCorn Lung issue....

 

[fiddleshe]

Where?

You are being redirected...

 

[fiddleshe]

the dreaded PopCorn Lung issue....

My freaking dr told me not to vape long before this "crisis" because vaping turns your lung tissue into popcorn. I just rolled my eyes at her misinformation.

 

[Jman8]

I have no doubt you're right; there will be an "informal market". Where there's a demand, there will be a supply.

But personally, I'd rather not buy from "informal" vendors. I'd prefer to know exactly what's in my juice. We're seeing what the "informal" market for MJ extract vendors can do to people right before our eyes, and we know from past experience ~100 years ago that the informal market for alcohol often produced sub-standard or outright hazardous product. Thus I have absolutely no regrets that I spent 2-1/2 years socking away a lifetime's worth of nic base in my freezers, and four years accumulating really nice mechanical squonkers and quality atties that will outlast me.

Furthermore, in another year or two, it will be rather difficult to convince smokers that a switch to vaping would be beneficial to them if they have to buy their vape goods in a back alley somewhere.

I highly doubt it will be in a back alley somewhere. Likely would be able to use social media to make connections and drive to someone house, and get the product.

Some are stocking up for personal use and will essentially be hoarders in the market. If they share with anyone (even for free), they're distributors. The ones stocking up now who intend on making money, are going to get rich. In case it's not clear, I am not stocking up (on nic base). I may regret that decision at some point, but I currently don't think I will. I also currently think it's not too late to get into the DIY game, and could still wait awhile for me to jump in. But I will admit I just panicked a bit and bought a whole bunch of items that I don't truly need, but feel prudent purchasing given the recent news and how masses are reacting to said news.

 

[Rossum]

As a new member a relatively new vaper, what's your advice on how best to prepare for the upcoming sh*t-show that's about to come down upon us? I'm currently using a Smok Nord with 50mg salt nic juices and have no experience with DIY or box mods. Where do I get started and quick?

See this thread and specifically, post #4.

 

[Tig7]

They just had a couple of short segments about vaping on FOX. Had a doctor from Johns Hopkins. It was complete BS. More of the... we don't know what is causing the hospitalizations and deaths... then were all hand-wringing about the children. Even went so far to ask, what should we do if we see our child vaping? Really? How long have you been a parent? Then talked about that they know they all have something in common... the hardware. ugh.. Oh, and the doctor said that there were some studies that e-cigs were good at getting some people off of cigs, but there were also studies that showed there weren't. And, they already have methods already approved by the FDA and the CDC that are effective. Mentioned that there were some sicknesses from vaping several years ago. That was news to me. Anyone hear of anything?

I think everyone received the same script via memo because almost everyone I've seen on TV says about the same thing word for word.

 

[LSU_Tiger]

See this thread and specifically, post #4.

This is brilliant, thank you!

Do you have a similar pointer for a hardware getting started guide? I'd like to learn how to make my own coils so that I can keep a mod working for as long as possible.

 

[kross8]

Someone started a thread on ecf for things like orings. Mike have been @kross8

I had a spare parts board,, so anyone could let others know what fits what. But if you don't have new posts often enough the board gets locked up.

Interchangeable Parts for post 2018

 

[Rossum]

Do you have a similar pointer for a hardware getting started guide? I'd like to learn how to make my own coils so that I can keep a mod working for as long as possible.

No, I don't. What one person likes in terms of hardware may not be what the next person likes. Also, I'm far less worried about hardware than liquids. I think there will be vendors who in China who will happily send you "flashlights" and "machined parts" that you can assemble into a vaping device. I make my own coils and I use nothing more specialized than a drill bit to wrap them around.

Of course liquids are also very much a matter of personal preference, but they all share one key ingredient that's the obvious choke-point for making them -- the nicotine! If you have that, I think you'll be able to make something you like acceptably well.

 

[AttyPops]

Yeah, most of the medical profession is pretty much a PRACTICE not a science. They're practitioners. Highly respected, highly valued, highly educated, and dealing 100,000 things. Vaping is one of them. And they don't all get it right.

I sure as hell wish, though, for something this prevalent that they'd get it a lot closer than many do. But I guess more doctors smoked Camels...

 

[AttyPops]

I'm not panicking PPB. I vape unflavored, and I've stocked up for several years at least. Including coil wire. I need backup mods yet. And batteries.

But I did flavor a tank full today, just out of spite.