pbusardo's video of the P3!

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It's a hoot reading post from high watt cloud chasers claiming they are the norm

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keep telling yourself that the people who disagree with you are a bunch of goofballs (or, in your words "high watt cloud chasers"). ad hominem is one way to deal with being on the wrong end of an argument.

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I don't have the numbers but I would guess the MVP 2.0 out sells everything and anything in the high watt market by many times.

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that's a $40 item. do you really think Provape, with a device people are expecting to cost north of $250, will compete with that?

again, the people willing to pay upwards of $200 for a device are the same people who will at least want the option of going above 20 watts.

now, if you tell me the P3 will compare on price with the MVP, then you've got a winning argument.

speaking of a small audience, I wonder which is smaller--the number of people who want the option to vape above 20 watts or the number of people willing to pay $250 or more for a battery tube? I'm guessing the latter is quite smaller than the first.
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Anyone who isn't a young male raise your hand.....

anyone who isn't relying on ad hominems raise your hand.
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[chadsmo]

What is it that drives you to think that every piece of equipment on the market must meet your demands. I am not seeing non-high watt users jumping into discussions for high watt equipment insisting on the ignorance of the device (though they would have a much better case to be made then the present situation). The 20 watt limit is not at all stupid for the great majority of users, now and into the future. It's just about right for a limit, though not many folks who buy a P3 will every go that high.

Do you think I'm the only person who isn't buying one based on the 20 watt limit. Of course there are other devices out there I can buy instead. I have one on order right now that will go as high as 83 watts.

I am not the only person that is going to pass based on the 20 watt limit. There are 1000s of people that Provape is going to lose because of it. If the 'vast majority' of people will never want to go above 20 watts that's great. Even it was 50 watts all those people could stay under 20. I just think it's ridiculous that a device that will be on sale in to 2016, 2017 and beyond being capped a 20 watts is a mistake that I wish they didn't make.

 

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The 20 watt limit is not at all stupid for the great majority of users, now and into the future.

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again, do you really think Provape will have access to the "great majority of users" with a device priced well above $200?

I'll pay that for a Vapor Shark or a GP Paps Lux, but not something with permanent training wheels attached to it.


:::currently vaping "unsafely" at 22 watts:::
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What is it that drives you to think that every piece of equipment on the market must meet your demands.

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just speaking for myself here, but I pass on plenty of stuff that doesn't "meet [my] demands." however, I was looking forward to this device, after Phil Busardo's 'factory tour' videos.
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[Stubby]

Holy crap....... I think I've been spammed.........

 

[MrOcelot]

Been waiting on this for some time like many of us. I personally am gonna pass as I have moved into "unsafe" territory and am consistently above 35 watts. To say I'm disappointed is an understatement, but I think this is a great offering. 20 watts just doesn't do it for my personal vaping pleasure. I'm no cloud chaser I'm a flavor hound and need power to get to MY sweet spot. It's hard for me to remember that I'm in the minority when everyone around me is using mechs and raptor boxes. A 30-50 watt limit I would be first in line. But this offering shows me no reason to use this device when my 2.5 sits on my desk lonely most days. Cheers to provape this does look like a fantastic piece just not for me. Holding my breath maybe there is an a upgrade to the software or future devices that will carry higher limits.

 

[MonsterKenny]

Its really based on how you vape. I vape at 18-19w all day long, personally its perfect for me. I got away from cloud chasing for many reasons, wearing out my batteries quicker, bigger airholes in my atomizers. Can't enjoy a more flavorful vape because most gennys on the market are tight airflows, and drinking juice at higher wattage. I'm rocking a 2.6ohm coil at 19w right now and its pushing 7.0v now all I vape is a .8mm airhole in my attys and the flavor is intense.

 

[slappy3139]

If the p3 had been 30 watt, or even 25 watt capable, I would buy one without even thinking about. I have never had a single issue with any of my provaris, but I am very rarely using them now that I have transitioned to rdas. Will have to think about it hard because my current all day setups are both operating above 20 watts.

 

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Its really based on how you vape. I vape at 18-19w all day long, personally its perfect for me. I got away from cloud chasing for many reasons, wearing out my batteries quicker, bigger airholes in my atomizers. Can't enjoy a more flavorful vape because most gennys on the market are tight airflows, and drinking juice at higher wattage. I'm rocking a 2.6ohm coil at 19w right now and its pushing 7.0v now all I vape is a .8mm airhole in my attys and the flavor is intense.

drip tip makes a significant difference too, I'm starting to realize.

fwiw, I've been using a standard drip tip for awhile, a lot of folks would consider it a "tight draw."

won a contest last week and received Teleos' new Cloud Science' line and a white delrin, medium bore drip tip. as cool as this stuff is, I can't taste much with the drip tip--and it's not even that big, I've see much bigger tips. this is at 0.9Ω, single-coil 5/6 wrap of 28g kanthal (I might try a dual-coil with the medium bore tip, but single is what I usually prefer).

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flavor > clouds

(I also think you burn through a signifcant amount of juice with all the "wide open" stuff)


edit: I do notice I don't have to take as long of a draw though, which is nice.
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[Gato del Jugo]

Elsewhere ProVape mentioned that they could easily build a 200-watt device..


I think they should, just to shut people up...


And then not make it available to the general public..

 

[Ozwald]

Elsewhere ProVape mentioned that they could easily build a 200-watt device..


I think they should, just to shut people up...


And then not make it available to the general public..

Yeah, but would it look like this?

/GatoBait

 

[brickfollett]

If I'm not mistaken, volts X amps = Watts right? so theoretically 6 volts X 5 amps = 30 watts. If it has a 5 amp limit and we use it in voltage mode, is it not capable of 30 watts?

 

[Ozwald]

If I'm not mistaken, volts X amps = Watts right? so theoretically 6 volts X 5 amps = 30 watts. If it has a 5 amp limit and we use it in voltage mode, is it not capable of 30 watts?

All limits are separate. You could think of an infinite number of possibilities where you're inside all the limits except for one. And in every one of those possibilities the answer is the same, no it will not fire.

 

[brickfollett]

I would think it would because the 20 Watt limit shouldn't apply in voltage mode

 

[Gato del Jugo]

/GatoBait

If I'm not mistaken, volts X amps = Watts right? so theoretically 6 volts X 5 amps = 30 watts. If it has a 5 amp limit and we use it in voltage mode, is it not capable of 30 watts?

ProVape explained it in the P3 "sticky" thread..

All 4 parameters are constantly monitored independently..

And if it fails even just 1 parameter, it won't fire...

 

[Ozwald]

And that was the piece I liked the least out of the whole batch.

 

[brickfollett]

Ah well 20 watts will still do nicely with my aqua

 

[rondasherrill]

Its really based on how you vape. I vape at 18-19w all day long, personally its perfect for me. I got away from cloud chasing for many reasons, wearing out my batteries quicker, bigger airholes in my atomizers. Can't enjoy a more flavorful vape because most gennys on the market are tight airflows, and drinking juice at higher wattage. I'm rocking a 2.6ohm coil at 19w right now and its pushing 7.0v now all I vape is a .8mm airhole in my attys and the flavor is intense.

Can't wait to get the P3 myself. Rocking my Kayfun at a wimpy 12 watts, I get all the cloud chasing I want. Then again I've tweaked my wick/coil/airflow through trial and error, and I have outstanding lung capacity.

 

[T1lVl]

Every time someone mentions higher watts its about cloud chasing. My daily driver is 30 watts off a dna 30 device, .6 ohms and the medium airhold on a atomic made for bottom feeding. I get sub par clouds. Its not about that. The warmth, flavor and mouth feel is all I care about.

I have dropped to 25 and it doesn't satisfy me.

I'm not knocking provari, I have always wanted one, but the way I enjoy my vape the device isn't capable. If they did higher they would attract more folks and not just the ones who like under 20.