Pegasus Vapor Academy PVA-40

[CloudWalker]

I am extremely curious what people think about "the family project" A box mod designed by Vapers. I personally am 100% excited about it! If anyone does not know what I am talking about check out pegasus vapor academy on youtube. Basically all of the subscribers to the channel are voting on design, batteries, colors, price, etc. So in order for this to work, we need to raise $28,000. But if we manage to get the money raised ( and we are half way there already) we will be able to get an authentic DNA 40 device that runs on two parallel 18650 batteries, at a ridiculously cheap price. just under $140 US. Now that being said, there is a deadline to meet in order to get the device at said price you need to pre-order. he also offers even better prices if you purchase more than one. I think the quote was around $125-130 for 10 or more. now I know 100% for sure this is a great deal. Most authentic DNA devices are around the $200-300 range, and that is for DNA20 and 30's. Anyway he also has a raffle going on its pretty awesome what he is doing for the vaping community! now if you do not enter and at least put in a certain % of your purchase price, like I think $70 down and the rest when the device arrives, if you still wish to purchase the device I believe that they will be around th $220-240 range, which is still very reasonable for a DNA 40 device. Now it is being co-built by IVOGO, it has Fat-Daddy 510 connection, Sigelei 100watt style buttons( stainless steel not chrome like the Sigelei for durability), magnetic battery door and a usb charging port. Basically if anyone has not heard about it, I would definitely recommend checking it out. Oh and Peg also has a campus store where you can purchase high quality clones at very reasonable price, take courses on vape knowledge, from beginner to Jedi lol and also for those that are interested in opening vape shops he offers professional certification. I personally have learned a lot just from his youtube vids, from how to get my pro-tank to stop gurgling, to proper battery safety, as well as product quality as far as clones are concerned, as we all know there is a lot of very crappy clones out there! thanks guys and I hope anyone interested checks out his channel. I have huge respect for him because he saved me from making a very foolish decision regarding running batteries in series and he was honest and gave me proper info regarding the batts I was considering running. anyway keep vaping and help anyone you know that smokes to at least try a vape! CloudWalkers out

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

Geeez, it really surprising how many trusting peeps there are these days.

PVA is a non-existent company....there's no such place except on his dead-links everywhere website. It's a front for CYGNUS ENTERPRISE CORP., Arcadia CA.

Ivogo isn't a manufacturer, it's a trademark.

Evolv doesn't sell their boards to China, so whatever you're being promised just isn't true.

Don't believe me?

Ask Evolv yourself if "Peg"...is an authorized reseller?

Contact Evolv Vapor Link

Do your homework on the guy first and gets some real facts about his actual identity before you even remotely consider sending a total stranger, whom you know absolutely ZERO about, a single CENT of your money!

Cuz everything that I've personally seen tells me that every one of you is in real danger of never seeing your money again!

If that crowdfunding project reaches it's projected goal, consider yourself stone cold lucky if you get anything at all, even if it's a 100% Chinese-made POS.

There's a shill in that crowdfunding area....who's been consistently buying stuff everyday to the tune of roughly $2000. That's probably Peg or someone he knows that's artificially bumping "the stats" and the total collected. This possible shill could also be used to make sure that Peg gets your money.

Indiegogo alone gets $2000....of your money.

FWIW....

Even if any of this guy's claims were true, there's no factory in China that's gonna build a custom-designed anything on a small scale project like this one. Matter of fact, you'd have a really hard time even finding a factory HERE that would even remotely consider it.

You'd have to meet a very high MOQ, usually 500 - 1000 pieces, to even begin negotiations. And if you wanted to have that project built with parts that you source, you're looking at 10,000 pieces minimum.

$28000 - Indigogo's cut = $26000 divided by 500 pieces = $52/ea mod

Still think you're getting a DNA or an FDV?

Pfffff....

The DNA40 and FDV alone would cost you that much.


Stop and seriously consider what you're doing!

 

[mix1983]

As I started reading that solid block of text I started thinking spamagedon, but there's no URL that I can see, so maybe not. So, yeah, what Shekinahsgroom said.

 

[illitirit]

i could not have put it in any way shape or form better than Shekinahsgroom.

While Peg makes some interesting videos. He obviously has some monetary goals with his channel and website.

Not saying hes a suspect guy or anything but, I for sure would not be the first sucker to put my money into anything related to crowdfunding. If he were to prove after his first run that he's legit, then yes I would open my wallet to him.

 

[jsx821]

I had my suspicions about this guy in the very beginning. It's way too risky- and I'm not saying he's going to steal their money. The logistics/ #'s just doesn't make sense.

 

[fredrikstad]

It is a fixed funding project. If they dont reach their goal at 28k,everyone gets there money back. Peg doesn`t recive ant cent before the goal s reached. And he is of Chineese roots himselfe, and have friends down there. I trust him. Anyway, to go for the 80 up front and the rest upon shipping, isn`t that much of a risk, to get an genuine DNA 40 device with dual 18650 for this price. A chance worth to take.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

It is a fixed funding project. If they dont reach their goal at 28k,everyone gets there money back. Peg doesn`t recive ant cent before the goal s reached. And he is of Chineese roots himselfe, and have friends down there. I trust him. Anyway, to go for the 80 up front and the rest upon shipping, isn`t that much of a risk, to get an genuine DNA 40 device with dual 18650 for this price. A chance worth to take.

You should post an image of the GUARANTEE IN WRITING that you received from this purchase, it might relieve some peeps minds know that at least you'll have proof of what you're being promised.

Otherwise, without anything in writing, Peg could tell you that it's made of solid gold and it magically produces it's own power and will never need to be charged.....he could make any claim or any promise and be legally liable for NOTHING!

Did it ever occur to you that Peg or someone he knows could bid up that crowdfunding campaign to make SURE that he gets your money? Do you honestly think that site would even bother to track if there's an illicit shill buyer (or more) in there?

Peg's gonna get your money, even if it means spending $15,000 of his own money to get it...he'll do it. Cuz he'd be making a giant profit on the sale, assuming that a product is even being made??

Matter of fact, he could quite literally walk away with your money and you'd all be SOL!

Worse even still...think about what you would do if Peg never delivered anything?

You'd file a police report for theft, right?


Officer: Suspect's name?

You: Peg

Officer: Suspect's last name?

You: Peg

Officer: Suspect's street address?

You: P.O. box....

Officer: Suspect's Phone number?

You: Peg


This is a very REAL scenario....cuz that's just how little peeps actually know about this guy!

Think about that for a second.

They're sending a total stranger, some Youtube clown that calls himself "Pegasus", hundreds of dollars.....and they don't even know his NAME for cryin' out loud!

"I trust this guy".....LOL

Gawd....wake-up people, seriously.

 

[RandyF]

Find someone with some soldering skills and a bit of tech knowledge, purchase a DNA40, a box kit and what miscellaneous parts you need and you could likely do it for less than a $100 yourself. Maybe a bit more if you have to pay someone to build it, but at least you know exactly whats in it and when you will get it.

 

[reojoe]

Something really smells here!!!! Do you think it is a really spoiled can of SPAM... Or just a big pile of B.S.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

Something really smells here!!!! Do you think it is a really spoiled can of SPAM... Or just a big pile of B.S.

Go into that crowdfunding campaign....and click on the "funders" tab at the top.

Now scroll through the entire list starting from the very bottom....and COUNT how many purchases "Anonymous" has made and how much money he's contributed.

And if that doesn't scare you enough to believe that this whole thing could be a set-up, then you seriously need a reality check!

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

Find someone with some soldering skills and a bit of tech knowledge, purchase a DNA40, a box kit and what miscellaneous parts you need and you could likely do it for less than a $100 yourself. Maybe a bit more if you have to pay someone to build it, but at least you know exactly whats in it and when you will get it.

Sadly enough, $100 would build a POS.

And paying someone to build it for you would be VERY expensive, cuz the build would be at a minimum of 10 hours with an expert builder. A rookie, several days at least...

If you started not having any of the tools or parts needed to build a quality DNA mod....you're looking at a minimum of $300 - $400 to build one. A good soldering station all by itself is gonna cost you $75 and up + shipping. If you're only buying 1 DNA, that's another $50 + $10 for the charger + shipping. That's $150 right there....and you haven't even started buying parts yet!

This is a huge deterrent why most peeps don't wanna build their own and BUY a high quality device instead.

Go out and price the parts list yourself...

DNA
Charger
FDV connector
Fire switch
Up/down switches
Enclosure
Batteries
Battery cradle
Battery contacts
20 & 24 awg silicone wire
Heatshrink
poly fuses
epoxy
superglue
Double-sided foam tape
Flux and solder
Adj temp soldering station w/chisel tip
3rd hand
Kapton tape
ground screws and crimps
Hand tools galore...
Dremel, drill...


$300 - $400++ (shipping costs are gonna kill ya!)

Then you'll need taps if you're gonna be using a FDV connector...

The list just goes on and on.

If you're a rookie builder, you'll probably break your first one cuz the DNA is very delicate...so that means having to buy spare parts and a second DNA....just in case.

In the end, you'd be really lucky to spend $300 and get a high quality mod from it.

$100?

Guess again.

If anybody wants to take a shot at it though, Mamu has graciously provided the vaping community with a very good step-by-step picture and parts list tutorial....Build Your Own DNA Mod pdf.

Warning...if you don't know what you're doing, do NOT attempt to build a mod! Cuz if you screw up somewhere and you don't check your work before operating it, you could seriously harm yourself (battery explosion).

 

[ravaz]

I find it hilarious that these people who follow his lead straight up post that they trust him. Like you said, trust WHO? He discussed nothing on the logistics of the project at all, such as a run down on what $28k gets him. How many devices, etc. It's possible he's getting this setup and letting them go at cost so devices get our there and then he sells the rest or leftovers for $200 +, essentially, the public is funding his business so he makes money on the back end whIle he takes zero risk. Either way, hw is pushy in his responses, cocky and certainly tries his best to be a hell of a salesman. All while labeling himself as a professional vape reviewer, or whatever he is. Not a bash, just what I've observed from his channel.

 

[rhelton]

Its all legit. Peg is a respectable business man, and there is nothing wrong with someone doing the footwork for others and set up a group buy. There is also nothing wrong with that person to use their own connections overseas to set up a opportunity to have a high quality custom mod that anyone would be proud to own.

Putting someone out on front street for no reason is pretty lame. It has nothing to do with you, your obviously not buying one, so dont. And leave it at that.

 

[mix1983]

Its all legit. Peg is a respectable business man, and there is nothing wrong with someone doing the footwork for others and set up a group buy. There is also nothing wrong with that person to use their own connections overseas to set up a opportunity to have a high quality custom mod that anyone would be proud to own.

Putting someone out on front street for no reason is pretty lame. It has nothing to do with you, your obviously not buying one, so dont. And leave it at that.

Sounds like someone bought one. Anyway, the guy made a thread, people responded.

If it works out, that's great. I can't ignore my gut feeling, though. I'd be dirt poor going that route in this world.

Something about this doesn't sit right, IMO.

 

[maabaa]

I find it really lame to see how off track this post has gone right off the bat.

"I had my suspicions" like something DID happen or anything. Did something happen ? Was your suspicion confirmed ?

People saying Pegasus will have the audacity of making money from the project..
I have to admit there. The nerve on this guy, not working on this project for free. How dare you Pegasus! Your time belongs to us. Now go make me a sandwich.

People saying they can do it cheaper, people saying it's can't be done cheaper.

Ok, how about, everyone of the people buying this are adults, who know the internet and the risks of crowdfunding. Pegasus said that's how much he'll make it for. If it can be made cheaper, what's so enraging about it if I'm satisfied by that price and order one ? What's it to you ?

If we get ripped off, well tough luck. I still don't see why some people try to take that project down as vehemently as if they had something to lose should it succeed.
Do you ? Again, what is it to you ?

You are basically posting like you HAVE BEEN ripped off.

Geeeez !!

Edit : I forgot, I obviously ordered one. And I did it anonymously, because I don't want everybody to see my name on the project page, like many others.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

Its all legit. Peg is a respectable business man, and there is nothing wrong with someone doing the footwork for others and set up a group buy.

Edit : I forgot, I obviously ordered one. And I did it anonymously, because I don't want everybody to see my name on the project page, like many others.

First off...you're not in a group buy. Co-Ops are not for profit and are done by mutual participation and agreement, but generally speaking....a host always does significantly more work than the participants.

Wiki Definition of a Cooperative

You are participating in an outright sale that's been organized by an unethical, wannabe, vendor whose using your funds to take the risks while he makes a massive profit.

The reason many peeps are so offended about Peg's project is that he's misleading the public by not being honest about his actual intent and long-term goals and worse yet, he's not using his own money to do it. He's using his follower's funds to take all of the risks while he reaps all of the rewards.

Secondly... "I had my suspicions" like something DID happen or anything. Did something happen ? Was your suspicion confirmed ?

YES, they were!

Go to Peg's 5.2 Update Video and read my posts, starting with the first one....you'll see it immediately (and absolutely uncontested) followed by several more with some very interesting FACTS about what you're actually buying and on Peg's actual identity. Peg has neglected to make any comment on or about the information that I've revealed there. No argument, no explanation, nothing....absolute silence.

The first post is catching Peg in an outright lie which was caught on audio @2:50. This is where Peg admits that he's making money, but again misleads his followers by making the claim of "pretty much at cost".

My first post proves that Peg is ripping off his followers.....and I provide enough facts a real evidence where you or anyone else can easily verify them and know EXACTLY what you're getting and how much it will actually cost you.

This is what Peg fears, he doesn't want anyone to know what he's doing because nobody in their right mind would EVER agree to it or participate in a crowdfunding campaign....risking their money so the organizer can make a GIANT profit.

 

[ravaz]

For the guy to make a video basically crying in order to get his supporters to come on here and attack you is insane. He's worried about something. It's funny that he says he wants no be the next so and so. But he can't even be original and is making a box mod second hand via China and hasn't soldered a single wire for his product. A lot of hard work "sourcing" buttons and all. He's basically saying this is what I want, now go make it while I sit back and make pushy videos. I wonder how it's going to work when the board stops working, or your USB charger messes up. Are you going to have to send it to China for service? Too many unanswered questions, but people are ok with spending 140 on something released in 4 months from now, that's cool and on them. You guys who are a majority of newbs are in for a rude awakening when you figure out that Nickel is a ..... to work with. Wait and see how many complain then.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

Now...if after going through all of that and using those links that I provided for everyone in that video to verify if in fact Peg is trustworthy or even if he's actually offering a real Evolv DNA40, if you're still thinking that this offer is legitimate?

Then keep a close eye on the funders tab HERE.

(Note for mods, this isn't an ad. It's a direct WARNING to beware of a potential fraudulent transaction.)

Keep a close eye on funder "Anonymous", who is buying big ticket items on a daily basis.

So why is that a big deal? Cuz it's probably Peg that's shill-buying to make absolutely SURE that he gets your $$.

Peg stands to lose a lot of time and effort invested possibly even a down payment required by the manufacturer, if that goal isn't reached. Plus....he's knows that he's gonna make a fortune if that goal hits in time! So it stands to reason that he would max out his own credit cards to make sure that he gets your money. This is a VERY likely scenario, but cannot be proven. It's merely an observation based on already known evidence.

Now, those of you who suspect nothing is wrong with one guy blowing his bank account and spending $2500 "for the cause" need to have your head examined. Peeps are buying this device because they believe that they're gonna be saving a fortune and getting a DNA40 mod....so why would one lone dude spend WAY more than was necessary?

Notice how Anonymous is buying all single $140 mods and not package deals....where he could save a LOT of money? That's not a real buyer, that's Peg or an accomplice.

I stopped counting after 22 purchases....10 of which were $140 mod packages and that was 2 days ago. Since then he's spent about another $500. Overall, Anonymous accounts for about 15% of the total collected.

So what does all that mean?

Goal is reached = Indiegogo immediately gets roughly $2000 of your money in funding & payment processing fees, Peg gets $23,500 of your money, $2500 of his money back and is guaranteed to make BANK on this project! That's assuming that "Anonymous" stops buying more stuff?

Goal is not reached = Peg gets his money back and so do you.

In either case...Peg gets his money back, but what do you get is the real question?


Added; The above scenario is a THEORY based on real world evidence that "Anonymous" could in fact be Peg or an accomplice. The likelihood of Anonymous being an actual real buyer/contributor is very slim considering the evidence shown inside of the campaign.

 

[The Ocelot]

Personally, I'd have a hard time taking a guy named Pegasus seriously, unless he wore a cape.

Interesting...interesting... Nothing about him/them in "About Us" that's worth anything: "You're not here because you're skeptical of vaping. You're already a believer and fully aware of its benefits.

You are here to take your vaping experience to the next level. Welcome to the world of re-buildables my friends." mmmmm-k. Unfortunately, the pages for all of the "classes" offered are under construction.

The Whois for pegasusvaporacademy.com has only proxy info. -1 Transparency is essential when one is trying to get people to invest in a product...

But wait! At the bottom of the PVA page! CYGNUS ENTERPRISE CORP, PO BOX 1231, ARCADIA, CA 91077, UNITED STATES INFO@PEGASUSVAPORACADEMY.COM

Let's look up Cygnus Enterprise Corp.

Overview of Cygnus Enterprise Corp. in Arcadia, CA

Cygnus Enterprise Corp. filed as a Articles of Incorporation in the State of California on Friday, February 7, 2014 and is approximately nine months old, as recorded in documents filed with California Secretary of State. The filing is currently active as of the last data refresh which occured on Sunday, June 22, 2014.

Key People

Hao Tang serves as the President Hao's past corporate affiliations include Tang & Tsai Trading Corp.

Hao Jan Tang is also the registered agent for the company. Also known as a statutory or resident agent, the registered agent is responsible for receiving legal notifications regarding court summons, lawsuits, and other legal actions involving the corporate entity.

Hmmm.

You can't say he didn't warn you.

“Question, Everything............”
— Pegasus​

Wouldn't it be clever for a Chinese company based in the US to get Americans to fund a project to be made in China and then sold back to them? I'm just pondering, not making any claims. I haven't even watched the videos yet.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

For the guy to make a video basically crying in order to get his supporters to come on here and attack you is insane. He's worried about something.

LOL...wow, that is funny.

Okay Peg, since I know that you're watching.

(Responding to Peg's recent video)

The $300-$400 cost is for a DIY builder, but you know that already...and are just trying to mislead your viewers.

Chinese production is cheap...and you already know that as well, just as long as you can hit their high MOQ's.

So how many are actually being made Peg? 500? 1000? More?

And I especially like how Steve at Evolv addressed you as Peg, which directly contradicts your spiel just before all that talking about protecting your identity and Evolv won't tell you if "I'm an authorized reseller". Yes, they will....that's why they have the links so the general public can verify if your DNA is the real McCoy. And since Steve addressed you as "Peg", then it's obvious that they'll be able to ask Steve if you are an authorized reseller of the DNA40 which is inside of a Chinese-made mod.

Your identity is published publicly on the net Peg. I've never actually named you and published ANY of your personal information. You yourself just admitted on video that it is in fact your real name! That's good Perg, cuz now everyone will know your real name....just in case you decide to do something "unannounced". Your personal and company info can all be found on the web, including your own website which shows your real company name. But I haven't disclosed anything, only the links where that info can be obtained.

You're talking about meeting a factory MOQ of 1000 pieces, but only 200 are being made for this project, is that correct? Did you tell everyone in your campaign that there will be 1000 of these "rare color" devices being made .....which will only increase in value cuz they will never be released again in that color? Does everyone know that you'll have 800 cases on stand-by for future projects?

Probably not huh?

And if these are in fact real DNA's inside, then what's the big secret Peg? You're obviously not gonna be building them...so who exactly is? Are you sending the boards to China to be made there? Are you paying someone else locally to build them? Why not tell everyone exactly what you're doing?

Huh...what? Two thousand eight hundred funded "the initial product"?

See...this is what I'm getting at Peg, there's no clarity in your project or your actual intentions.

"This is why you're not managing this project...."...yeah, that's true Peg...LOL....I'm honest. I would tell everyone with 100% clarity what they are buying and what they'd be getting. And there are thousands of very happy people that know this to be true.

"Running away with money..."

Take a GOOD, HARD, LOOK Peg....

There are many custom-made projects that have been done right here and elsewhere that turned out to be money-making scandals of immense monetary losses for the participants....especially when the clarity of the project was clouded.

Tim Jarvis took $25,000+ from members.

Eric Kohler took $65-$80,000 from members.

These two scams are the reason that custom-made device coops are BANNED here!

These are the two most recent, but there have been many more before them. So when I see a potentially fraudulent scheme based on what I know already and what VERY little can be seen by the organizer, then YES....I will absolutely want to expose it just so new members, unsuspecting members, new forum members or just anyone in general....won't walk straight into another scheme with their wallet/purse open and their eyes closed!

And if that means publishing facts, which can be found on the net, then I will post those facts for ANYONE to investigate themselves. Then and only then can someone make a well-informed decision as to whether or not what they're buying into is a reasonable risk....or just another scam?

$28,000 salary for your receptionist....really? What's her name Peg, so I'll know who I should address when I call?

How can I sleep at night? Who did I "screw over" Peg? I published real facts man, so if you're feeling hurt by those facts....then maybe you should have been more honest and up front with your followers, hm?

"When did this become evil?"

I don't have ANY problem whatsoever with someone making an honest living.....honest being the key point.

But I have a major problem with sitting back and doing nothing when I see a potential scam. No identity, slick-talkin, no facts, oh it's gonna be GREAT...offer. Cuz I've seen them before and I've seen what can happen when peeps are too trusting of total strangers. More times than not, they don't get what they thought they would be...or nothing at all.

It's one thing to invest all of your own money in this project Peg....and then sell it to everyone at your leisure, but something else entirely to use everyone else's money, hide your identity, your actual project goals, your hidden agenda....and then blame someone like me for ruining your plans.

If everything is legitimate Peg...then I've done nothing but inform everyone of exactly what they're buying and gave them the information that you left out.

Nobody's gonna blame me for your project failure Peg....they'll blame YOU.


And lastly Peg...YES, I could definitely be your friend! As long as you're honest and ethical. If you can be trusted, then everybody will be your friend. But you'll always have doubters, at least until you can prove that you're righteous.

Right now Peg, I'm very clearly a doubter....and I don't trust you. You'd have to earn my trust.