Pfizer caught covering up chantix deaths.

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I just saw this and checked here to see if it had been posted and did not see it.

The number of deaths attributed to chantix has doubled due to Pfizer purposefully submitting paperwork incorrectly.

There are still many more reports that will have to be resubmitted so expect the number to increase.

Mindblowing stuff.

Scores of smoking-pill suicides overlooked - Health - Health care - msnbc.com


Here is a small taste of the story.

“It’s really chilling,” said Moore, who analyzed 26 Chantix reactions in a paper published in the September 2010 issue of the Journal of Pharmacotherapy. "This seems to unleash something in people. It can be violence to anything around."
 
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I had tried Zyban a few years back, but lack of will power prevented it from working. I didn't mind how it made me feel, a bit blah, but in a relaxed way. When I was trying to quit smoking again a year later, I went to the doc to get a new prescription. He didn't want to give me Zyban, he wanted to give me Chantix, despite specifically requesting Zyban. I didn't want Champix because of something I had seen almost a year before, one of those class action lawyer commercials saying that "if someone you know has commited suicide while using Champix then call this number and join the lawsuit". I have no idea if they won this lawsuit or not, or if there was any evidence or anything backing up their claims, but that is something that just sits in the back of your mind and you never forget it!! So I talked the dr into giving me zyban and had to call 4 different pharmacies before I found one that still carried it. The second time around didn't go so well, I was on it for about a week and if I kept taking it I would probably be divorced now. I was a emotional raging lunatic and I had no control over my feelings/actions. I thought that these drugs were supposed to be antidepressants, not cause depression?

I am almost convinced that it is all about the money, pfizer must have been paying more than the makers of Zyban to the doctors to write the prescriptions. A quick search turned up a NY times arcticle, where at first reading of the title I thought for once the FDA was finally doing something right , but then I read the second paragraph!!
F.D.A. Warnings on Stop-Smoking Drugs Chantix and Zyban - NYTimes.com
Federal drug regulators warned Wednesday that patients taking two popular drugs to stop smoking should be watched closely for signs of serious mental illness, as reports mount of suicides among the drugs’ users. But officials emphasized that fear should not stop patients from taking the smoking-cessation medicines, Chantix, made by Pfizer, and Zyban, made by GlaxoSmithKline
Seriously? It really irks me that the FDA continues to endorse these products in their application towards smokers, yet seem to want to fight to the death with us to admit the success of e-cigarettes. Maybe if one of us commited suicide they would be more likely to give their stamp of approval? Oh no, wait, that wouldn't work either cause they still wouldn't be getting rich off of us.
 
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Lelly, at what point did you stop smoking? If you stopped cold turkey and then started taking Zyban the same day or several days later, it could explain your negative emotional reaction. Extreme nicotine withdrawal can trigger crushing depression and severe irritability. Here is the recommended way of taking it:

Treatment with ZYBAN (bupropion hcl) should be initiated while the patient is still smoking, since approximately 1 week of treatment is required to achieve steady-state blood levels of bupropion. Patients should set a "target quit date" within the first 2 weeks of treatment with ZYBAN (bupropion hcl) , generally in the second week.

On the other hand, even among those who never used tobacco/nicotine, bupropion can worsen depression, or lighten it up enough for someone who has been deeply depressed to get up enough energy to commit (or try to commit) suicide. Usually, though, this effect is seen in younger patients.
 

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Chantix surely wouldn't be the very first pharmaceutical to have been lied about with its results, cmon now they have been posting fake results for numerous meds for years, its all about the numbers and how many they can save over hurt or kill, and how much money the Pharma company can make. Heck it takes them 7 yrs to bring the product to market and millions of dollars, they have to get there money back and make profit before the Govt forces them to either take it off the market and the truth comes out on half of these dam drugs they make and market today. I took Chantix for 2 weeks and it had given me some serious side effects and I had to stop and oh so glad I did
 

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Lelly, at what point did you stop smoking? If you stopped cold turkey and then started taking Zyban the same day or several days later, it could explain your negative emotional reaction. Extreme nicotine withdrawal can trigger crushing depression and severe irritability. Here is the recommended way of taking it:

On the other hand, even among those who never used tobacco/nicotine, bupropion can worsen depression, or lighten it up enough for someone who has been deeply depressed to get up enough energy to commit (or try to commit) suicide. Usually, though, this effect is seen in younger patients.

I took it the same way both times, smoked as normal for 7 days, then attempted to quit after that. Both times I didn't go cold turkey at the 7 day mark, I just drastically cut down the amount I smoked to about 1-3 cigarettes per day. vaping has been the only thing that has kept me off cigarettes for more than 24 hours, I would even light up when I was pregnant, was sick with pneumonia 4 times in the last 2 years, was in the hospital...nothing could stop me from smoking. I was amazed how different the results were, calm and relaxed the first time, raging lunatic the second time.

Not much was different in my life stress/depression wise going into it. I think I was 26 the first time I took it and I had just turned 28 the second time around. So not only do these drugs effect different people differently, they can have drastically different results in the same individual.

The first time around I had stuck with it for about a week (2 weeks if you count the first 7 days) before I gradually worked my way back up to what I was smoking before, even though I continued to take the medication, it was my mind that craved the mental break/satisfaction of a cigarette, not my body, so the drug did work in that aspect.

The second time around when it was day 7 and I was supposed to quit, the uncontrollable anger and sadness and depression had already escalated to the point where I was consumed by it, and I felt like my life had spun into this uncontrollable downward spiral (for absolutely no reason) that I gave up on quitting and stopped taking the meds by the end of the second day. I am not a violent person, and I am an animal lover, I find comfort in my dogs when I am sad and company with them when I am lonely, and petting them always lightens me up when I am angry, but the turning point for me was when I was feeling very irratable (again, for no reason) then my dog started barking and I had the strongest urge to hit him. I knew something was serioulsy wrong for me to even think that, let alone almost do it.

It was the weirdest thing feeling so different and not even stopping to think why I was feeling and acting the way I was, then the light bulb finally went off in my head. I can't believe I let it get that bad before I realized what was happening, and I thank god that I did have this moment of enlightenment because before that my abnormal behavior had felt normal to me and I never really questioned it. Once I stopped taking the pills, it took a few weeks before I felt like myself again.

I totally understand someone commiting suicide while taking these drugs because you don't realize that the drug is consuming you. The feelings are real and it doesn't matter that they are unjustified in the moment. I am pretty sure that if I continued to take it throughout the entire length of treatment, whether I was still smoking or not, BAD things would have happened.
 
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I took Chantix, for about 3 weeks and was not able to stop smoking. It made me so edgy, so ready to YELL and POUND my fists...I am so not normally like that. My DH asked me to stop taking it and I did...felt so much better in just a couple of days. Then I heard from a friend that their brother in law was taking Chantix, and suddenly he woke up one night while they were all asleep and started yelling and hitting her sister out of the blue. She tried to reason with him, and he got worse. She grabbed the kids and ran out of the house in her nightclothes, as he said he was going to get his gun and stop her from taking his kids away! Yelling at her the whole time, and calling her nasty, horrid names. They got the paramedics and cops out there, and they finally had to physically restrain him. Thankfully, he never found a gun because he didn't even own one! After a few days in the Psych ward, they let him go home. But it scared him so much, he threw the rest of the Chantix away and started smoking again. Scary stuff, and the doctors all seemed so surprised about the issues...they said that he had "latent" hostilities and that the drug just brought them out. If you knew this guy, and how he normally is, you'd have laughed at that...he's one of the nicest, most sincere and sweet people I've ever met, and just loves everyone. It's just so sad, that we have to put up with these crap drugs, just because of greedy big business.
 

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Does anyone besides me think that the FDA allows these drugs to be released as a form of population control? If you don't, stop and think about it. I'm not talking about JUST chantix but other drugs as well. They never get removed from market until BP has been hit with numerous lawsuits from family members or X amount of people die from it. Just throwing my thoughts out there about it......
 

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I've thought about that...it's like some deaths are an expected side affect, but it's ok because BP says the deaths were caused because of other things...like they were smokers. Once they say that about you, you're pretty much written off in the FDA's opinion. What I don't understand, really...is that they are supposed to be there to protect us. But it seems we end up playing the guinea pig, while they get all those big kick-backs from BP. And all the while they tell us over and over that THEY know what's good for us, like we're all idiots or cattle or something.
 

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You don't understand: it is not a problem if Chantix patients kill themselves, because those people would have died anyway. If one in two smokers will die (according to the stats used by pharma supporters) then these smokers could likely have died or become ill anyway. If some patients are cured, this outweighs any collateral damage.

Smoking is a dangerous disease like plague or AIDS, therefore the drugs used to treat it are not the problem. Many/most of these people would die anyway.

Also, it is not a problem if the patients beat their families, or kill them. Because they have a smoker in the family, they would most likely become ill or die anyway from second-hand smoke.

We are lucky to have committed and caring authorities looking after our interests and making the best possible decisions for our benefit. I am certain that financial considerations play no part in this process.
 

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Does anyone besides me think that the FDA allows these drugs to be released as a form of population control? If you don't, stop and think about it. I'm not talking about JUST chantix but other drugs as well. They never get removed from market until BP has been hit with numerous lawsuits from family members or X amount of people die from it. Just throwing my thoughts out there about it......

Up until the discovery of oil, human population stabilized itself around 1.5 - 2b. When the well runs dry, there's going to be a huge population die-off. Bottom line: Overpopulation is real. Each of the growing global problems we face today is the result of too many people using too much of our planet's finite, non-renewable resources and filling it with waste (land, water and air).
Population, the elephant in the room

So yeah, I wouldn’t put it past them AT ALL. And profit always comes first.

Remember this one:
Bayer Documents: AIDS Tainted Blood Killed Thousands of Hemophiliacs
Blood was tainted w/ HIV… but instead of losing profits, they just took it overseas to sell. Even after lawsuits, they still made billions, so what do they care about how many lives? People procreate - new customers to kill err i mean treat.
 
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I've thought about that...it's like some deaths are an expected side affect, but it's ok because BP says the deaths were caused because of other things...like they were smokers. Once they say that about you, you're pretty much written off in the FDA's opinion. What I don't understand, really...is that they are supposed to be there to protect us. But it seems we end up playing the guinea pig, while they get all those big kick-backs from BP. And all the while they tell us over and over that THEY know what's good for us, like we're all idiots or cattle or something.

The article says that the Veterans Administration is participating in further studies.

Agency officials said they're continuing to review Chantix in clinical trials and two large observational studies with the Veterans Administration and the Department of Defense.

What that means is that our veterans are being used as guinea pigs. My cousin's husband and she both took Chantix and ended up nearly divorced. When they stopped taking it, their anger and violence subsided. and they got back together. That was a couple of years ago. Now he is in the VA hospital with severe lung problems, as well as an inability to stop smoking, and guess what drug they are giving him.
 

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This is all just unimaginably unbelievable to me! Not that I don't really believe it, it's just so hard to fathom! I guess I've been living in a bubble (and a nice bubble it was, too!), in that it's all just so wrong on so many levels. But you're all correct, profits DO come in before humanity does. I am aware of that...I just don't understand. I suppose that matters not to anyone but me, though. And for them to use our Veterans as guinea pigs is unconscionable, they and their families have already sacrificed SO much for our "Freedoms". Which are getting less and more over run by the do-gooders who think THEY know what's best for EVERYONE. Jeesh...reality sucks. :(
 

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The article says that the Veterans Administration is participating in further studies.

What that means is that our veterans are being used as guinea pigs. My cousin's husband and she both took Chantix and ended up nearly divorced. When they stopped taking it, their anger and violence subsided. and they got back together. That was a couple of years ago. Now he is in the VA hospital with severe lung problems, as well as an inability to stop smoking, and guess what drug they are giving him.

Speaking of the side effect of vivid dreams.........
 

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Thank you for posting this!
MDs are required to report ALL negative reactions.........but they just don't. I've seen people admitted to psychiatric hospitals d/t chantix induced psychosis.

I've gone both the zyban & chantix thing twice.....I wasn't successful at quitting with either of these drugs. I didn't experience any negative side effects. I'm glad i'm not dead though.
 
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