PG (antifreeze chem ) worries in e-juice

[Lezil]

ok so i must admit that at first i was a little concerned at the fact that i was smoking something that was in antifreeze, then i started doing some research and it looked even worse. but as i dove in and looked around i found on some sites that PG is also in regular cigarettes. up to .8 percent in mainstream cigs. so i dont know why everyone is so concerned about it all of a sudden when its been in smokes for a while now >.< well, i cant post links yet but take a look for your self because if its true, which im pretty sure it is, then this thing is already waaaaay safer then smoking regular cigs


LEZIL


heres info from 2 sites

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Reports on a European study of the effects of humectants on delivery of several smoke components. Notes that cigarettes often contain glycerol and propylene glycol as humectants. Conducts a study on cigarettes spiked with glycerol or propylene glycol. Finds that glycerol heavily contributes to the delivery of acrolein and formaldehyde in sidestream smoke. Reports slight increases in acetaldehyde deliveries on sidestream smoke with both humectants.


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Liggett, which broke with the industry by signing the first settlements ever with states and private attorneys suing it, supports the Massachusetts effort as well. "Liggett believes that its adult consumers have a right to full disclosure," Liggett head Bennett S. LeBow said in a statement. Along with blended tobacco and water, the 26-item L&M list includes high fructose corn syrup, sugar, natural and artificial licorice flavor, menthol, artificial milk chocolate and natural chocolate flavor, valerian root extract, molasses and vanilla extracts, and cedarwood oil. Less familiar additives include glycerol, propylene glycol, isovaleric acid, hexanoic acid and 3-methylpentanoic acid.

 

[JaYBoNeS]

Acrolein should not be produced at the temperature produced in ecigs. And Propylene Glycol is now used in antifreeze because it is regarded as safer than its predecessor, Ethylene Glycol. Propylene Glycol is present in many foods and other substances we ingest or apply to ourselves as well Google Acrolein and you will find many patent applications trying to find the right mix to produce it by heat. None of which yet are successful. If our ecigs were capable of producing acrolein, the makers wouldn't be selling them to us, they'd be too busy manufacturing acrolein or fighting lawsuits.

 

[Lezil]

yeah, i was looking at a lot of the posts on here though and people were talking about being all scared and boiling down tobacco and making their own juice with that , and im thinking wow, this is pretty crazy. but come to find out PG is in regular cigarettes as well, i was reading that it supposedly helps to keep moisture along with a couple other reasons.

lezil

 

[JaYBoNeS]

yeah, i was looking at a lot of the posts on here though and people were talking about being all scared and boiling down tobacco and making their own juice with that , and im thinking wow, this is pretty crazy. but come to find out PG is in regular cigarettes as well, i was reading that it supposedly helps to keep moisture along with a couple other reasons.

lezil

Yeah, I've been doing nothing but research since I switched to e cigs. But the best results have come not from my research, but from my body. I feel better. I have lost a lot of the nasty effects that I had gotten from analogs. I even started smoking again for a few months and it all came back too. It may not be better than quitting entirely, realistically how can it be? We're still doing something that our bodies are not built for, but I believe it must be better than what we were doing to our bodies before. At least my body seems to think so, and so far that's enough for me. Everything in an ecig is in a cigarette, minus thousands of chemicals. Nicotine is even present in trace amounts in foods we eat every day. It is a trade off, but one I am happy to make.

If you are concerned about PG, you could try VG only e juice instead or a mix. I prefer VG myself, PG only e juice seems to irritate my lungs. Good throat hit, but less vapour and it makes me cough. whatever works, I suppose.

 

[quasimod]

Forget the PG, nicotine liquid often contains significant quantities of dihydrogen monoxide! This is another major component of antifreeze! Sometimes, as much as 50% of the content of antifreeze is dihydrogen monoxide. This lethal substance is responsible for up to 7,000 deaths per year in the United States alone!

Please, join in the fight to ban H20!


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[StDoodle]

Forget the PG, nicotine liquid often contains significant quantities of dihydrogen monoxide!

Aw man, you beat me to it!

 

[JaYBoNeS]

Forget the PG, nicotine liquid often contains significant quantities of dihydrogen monoxide! This is another major component of antifreeze! Sometimes, as much as 50% of the content of antifreeze is dihydrogen monoxide. This lethal substance is responsible for up to 7,000 deaths per year in the United States alone!

Please, join in the fight to ban H20!


[NOTICE: If you are ironically impaired, please disregard this post.]

It may be worthy to note, that, when mixed with petroleum and sodium, the deadliness of dihydrogen monoxide increases exponentially, especially to wildlife in areas around the Gulf of Mexico.

 

[Xenite]

In 1984 the major tobacco companies used approximately .8% propylene glycol as a humectant in filler except the Liggett Group that used .4% propylene glycol. Back in 1958 Pall Mall contained 1.1% propylene glycol.

It is a bit funny that some are rather worried about PG when most smokers have been inhaling it for years. The only reason why SOME cigarettes do not contain it anymore is because they found out they could get the same affect from glycerin, for cheaper.

 

[JaYBoNeS]

In 1984 the major tobacco companies used approximately .8% propylene glycol as a humectant in filler except the Liggett Group that used .4% propylene glycol. Back in 1958 Pall Mall contained 1.1% propylene glycol.

It is a bit funny that some are rather worried about PG when most smokers have been inhaling it for years. The only reason why SOME cigarettes do not contain it anymore is because they found out they could get the same affect from glycerin, for cheaper.

Yeah, replacing PG with VG (glycerin is glycerin, whether taken from animal or vegetable) has precedent, lol. Makes you wonder which is actually healthier.
I still can't decide, but I do prefer VG.

 

[HeatherC]

basically we already eat and breathe more of it than we're getting vaping....Its not the big deal theyre making it out to be. I wish those powers that be would actually really look at what theyre saying and see how logical it is... I happen to think (now at least....didn't care so much when i was smoking analogs LOL) that inhaling Carbon Monoxide and around 50 proven carcinogens is more dangerous than inhaling something I've been eating for years.
I obtained this info from wikipedia, the FDA has already approved PG as GRAS as a food additive and it takes ALOT....I mean a whole lot ( you'd probly have to drink alot of 15ml bottles) to reach toxic levels.

Propylene glycol does not cause sensitization and it shows no evidence of being a carcinogen or of being genotoxic.
Propylene glycol is used:
As a solvent in many pharmaceuticals, including oral, injectable and topical formulations. Notably, diazepam, which is insoluble in water, uses propylene glycol as its solvent in its clinical, injectable form.[5]
As a humectant food additive, labeled as E number E1520
As an emulsification agent in Angostura and orange bitters
As a moisturizer in medicines, cosmetics, food, toothpaste, mouth wash, hair care and tobacco products
As a carrier in fragrance oils
As an ingredient in massage oils
In hand sanitizers, antibacterial lotions, and saline solutions
In smoke machines to make artificial smoke for use in firefighters' training and theatrical productions
In electronic cigarettes, as a vaporizable base for diluting the nicotine liquid
As a solvent for food colors and flavorings
As an ingredient, along with wax and gelatin, in the production of paintballs
As a moisture stabilizer (humectant) for snus (Swedish style snuff).
As a cooling agent for beer and wine glycol jacketed fermentation tanks
As a non-toxic antifreeze for winterizing drinking water systems, and in applications where the used antifreeze eventually will be drained into the soil, water, or a septic system.[6]
As a less-toxic antifreeze in solar water heating systems
As a solvent used in mixing photographic chemicals, such as film developers
In cryonics
As a working fluid in hydraulic presses
As a coolant in liquid cooling systems
To regulate humidity in a cigar humidor
As the killing and preserving agent in pitfall traps, usually used to capture ground beetles
As an additive to pipe tobacco to prevent dehydration.
To treat livestock ketosis
As the main ingredient in deodorant sticks.
To de-ice aircraft.[7]
As an ingredient in UV or blacklight tattoo ink

Prolonged contact with propylene glycol is essentially non-irritating to the skin. Undiluted propylene glycol is minimally irritating to the eye, and can produce slight transient conjunctivitis (the eye recovers after the exposure is removed). Exposure to mists may cause eye irritation, as well as upper respiratory tract irritation. Inhalation of the propylene glycol vapors appears to present no significant hazard in ordinary applications. However, limited human experience indicates that inhalation of propylene glycol mists could be irritating to some individuals. Therefore inhalation exposure to mists of these materials should be avoided. Some research has suggested that propylene glycol not be used in applications where inhalation exposure or human eye contact with the spray mists of these materials is likely, such as fogs for theatrical productions or antifreeze solutions for emergency eye wash stations.

Even if it is slightly irritating to inhale it....It would seem to me far worse to inhale Carbon Monoxide (I mean would you really suck on the tail pipe of your car?)

 

[JaYBoNeS]

basically we already eat and breathe more of it than we're getting vaping....Its not the big deal theyre making it out to be. I wish those powers that be would actually really look at what theyre saying and see how logical it is... I happen to think (now at least....didn't care so much when i was smoking analogs LOL) that inhaling Carbon Monoxide and around 50 proven carcinogens is more dangerous than inhaling something I've been eating for years.
I obtained this info from wikipedia, the FDA has already approved PG as GRAS as a food additive and it takes ALOT....I mean a whole lot ( you'd probly have to drink alot of 15ml bottles) to reach toxic levels.

Propylene glycol does not cause sensitization and it shows no evidence of being a carcinogen or of being genotoxic.
Propylene glycol is used:
As a solvent in many pharmaceuticals, including oral, injectable and topical formulations. Notably, diazepam, which is insoluble in water, uses propylene glycol as its solvent in its clinical, injectable form.[5]
As a humectant food additive, labeled as E number E1520
As an emulsification agent in Angostura and orange bitters
As a moisturizer in medicines, cosmetics, food, toothpaste, mouth wash, hair care and tobacco products
As a carrier in fragrance oils
As an ingredient in massage oils
In hand sanitizers, antibacterial lotions, and saline solutions
In smoke machines to make artificial smoke for use in firefighters' training and theatrical productions
In electronic cigarettes, as a vaporizable base for diluting the nicotine liquid
As a solvent for food colors and flavorings
As an ingredient, along with wax and gelatin, in the production of paintballs
As a moisture stabilizer (humectant) for snus (Swedish style snuff).
As a cooling agent for beer and wine glycol jacketed fermentation tanks
As a non-toxic antifreeze for winterizing drinking water systems, and in applications where the used antifreeze eventually will be drained into the soil, water, or a septic system.[6]
As a less-toxic antifreeze in solar water heating systems
As a solvent used in mixing photographic chemicals, such as film developers
In cryonics
As a working fluid in hydraulic presses
As a coolant in liquid cooling systems
To regulate humidity in a cigar humidor
As the killing and preserving agent in pitfall traps, usually used to capture ground beetles
As an additive to pipe tobacco to prevent dehydration.
To treat livestock ketosis
As the main ingredient in deodorant sticks.
To de-ice aircraft.[7]
As an ingredient in UV or blacklight tattoo ink

Prolonged contact with propylene glycol is essentially non-irritating to the skin. Undiluted propylene glycol is minimally irritating to the eye, and can produce slight transient conjunctivitis (the eye recovers after the exposure is removed). Exposure to mists may cause eye irritation, as well as upper respiratory tract irritation. Inhalation of the propylene glycol vapors appears to present no significant hazard in ordinary applications. However, limited human experience indicates that inhalation of propylene glycol mists could be irritating to some individuals. Therefore inhalation exposure to mists of these materials should be avoided. Some research has suggested that propylene glycol not be used in applications where inhalation exposure or human eye contact with the spray mists of these materials is likely, such as fogs for theatrical productions or antifreeze solutions for emergency eye wash stations.

Even if it is slightly irritating to inhale it....It would seem to me far worse to inhale Carbon Monoxide (I mean would you really suck on the tail pipe of your car?)

Yeah, the PG I get comes to me with a warning label about being a lung irritant. Probably what gives it a throat hit I bet.

 

[mistinthewoods]

basically we already eat and breathe more of it than we're getting vaping....Its not the big deal theyre making it out to be. I wish those powers that be would actually really look at what theyre saying and see how logical it is... I happen to think (now at least....didn't care so much when i was smoking analogs LOL) that inhaling Carbon Monoxide and around 50 proven carcinogens is more dangerous than inhaling something I've been eating for years.
I obtained this info from wikipedia, the FDA has already approved PG as GRAS as a food additive and it takes ALOT....I mean a whole lot ( you'd probly have to drink alot of 15ml bottles) to reach toxic levels.

Propylene glycol does not cause sensitization and it shows no evidence of being a carcinogen or of being genotoxic.
Propylene glycol is used:
As a solvent in many pharmaceuticals, including oral, injectable and topical formulations. Notably, diazepam, which is insoluble in water, uses propylene glycol as its solvent in its clinical, injectable form.[5]
As a humectant food additive, labeled as E number E1520
As an emulsification agent in Angostura and orange bitters
As a moisturizer in medicines, cosmetics, food, toothpaste, mouth wash, hair care and tobacco products
As a carrier in fragrance oils
As an ingredient in massage oils
In hand sanitizers, antibacterial lotions, and saline solutions
In smoke machines to make artificial smoke for use in firefighters' training and theatrical productions
In electronic cigarettes, as a vaporizable base for diluting the nicotine liquid
As a solvent for food colors and flavorings
As an ingredient, along with wax and gelatin, in the production of paintballs
As a moisture stabilizer (humectant) for snus (Swedish style snuff).
As a cooling agent for beer and wine glycol jacketed fermentation tanks
As a non-toxic antifreeze for winterizing drinking water systems, and in applications where the used antifreeze eventually will be drained into the soil, water, or a septic system.[6]
As a less-toxic antifreeze in solar water heating systems
As a solvent used in mixing photographic chemicals, such as film developers
In cryonics
As a working fluid in hydraulic presses
As a coolant in liquid cooling systems
To regulate humidity in a cigar humidor
As the killing and preserving agent in pitfall traps, usually used to capture ground beetles
As an additive to pipe tobacco to prevent dehydration.
To treat livestock ketosis
As the main ingredient in deodorant sticks.
To de-ice aircraft.[7]
As an ingredient in UV or blacklight tattoo ink

Prolonged contact with propylene glycol is essentially non-irritating to the skin. Undiluted propylene glycol is minimally irritating to the eye, and can produce slight transient conjunctivitis (the eye recovers after the exposure is removed). Exposure to mists may cause eye irritation, as well as upper respiratory tract irritation. Inhalation of the propylene glycol vapors appears to present no significant hazard in ordinary applications. However, limited human experience indicates that inhalation of propylene glycol mists could be irritating to some individuals. Therefore inhalation exposure to mists of these materials should be avoided. Some research has suggested that propylene glycol not be used in applications where inhalation exposure or human eye contact with the spray mists of these materials is likely, such as fogs for theatrical productions or antifreeze solutions for emergency eye wash stations.

Even if it is slightly irritating to inhale it....It would seem to me far worse to inhale Carbon Monoxide (I mean would you really suck on the tail pipe of your car?)

Great list. PG is also the carrier in asthma inhalers. Pretty scary stuff.
This line of B.S. has evolved from the FDA report of the study (witch hunt?) done that found a tiny amount of DIETHYLENE glycol in a few sample prefilled carts from China. DG is a carcinogen. BTW, it's also found in tobacco cigs. In much higher levels.

 

[HeatherC]

Isn't it funny that they are ready to ban a product that has ONE carcinogen in it but they still willingly sell PROVEN killers?

 

[Hoosier]

Isn't it funny that they are ready to ban a product that has ONE carcinogen in it but they still willingly sell PROVEN killers?

It's worse than that. The DEG was only found on one sample in the test. It was not IN the cart, but ON the cart. The possibility of cross contamination was possible with the test process and nobody had the notion to see if cross contamination could be ruled out.

The results were so benign that the resultant summary and press release have little resemblance, but that is what is being thrown about.

It is pretty typical of the fear mongering and diversion tactics used so many times over so many years in the USA. It works. Many folks swallow these things whole and say "thank you for saving me, please do it again" and never realize how they have been scammed.

He's another lesser known issue. Chairs. Did you know every ......, every single one, used a chair? The connection is obvious people! We must ban these "chairs"! Substitute any techno-babble for chair and sub in a disease for rape. Mix and spin multiple times and you have the US.

 

[Nena]

Ahhhh...After only a week of vaping I've already heard the "you are smoking anti freeze" thing too. But I was armed and ready with info from this forum...you should have seen the expression change on that persons face from smug to astounded! It provided me with a good .

 

[HeatherC]

Well I just got support from a doctor that this is a positive move for me....I'm gonna go with what my doctor says lol

 

[HeatherC]

And Hoosier....I think the first step would have to be higher taxes on chairs before we ban them we need to make all the money we can before we completely take them out of circulation

 

[Jonmo1]

Forget the PG, nicotine liquid often contains significant quantities of dihydrogen monoxide! This is another major component of antifreeze! Sometimes, as much as 50% of the content of antifreeze is dihydrogen monoxide. This lethal substance is responsible for up to 7,000 deaths per year in the United States alone!

Please, join in the fight to ban H20!


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I love that website, it's just hallarious...

 

[Hoosier]

And Hoosier....I think the first step would have to be higher taxes on chairs before we ban them we need to make all the money we can before we completely take them out of circulation

Well, OK, as long as we ban carrots!

Did you know that every soldier that died in the civil war ate at least one carrot? 90% of people who died of cancer ate carrots! Carrots contain calcium oxalate whic has been proven to cause mineralization of organs and muscle! Ingest enough calcium oxalate and it leads to metabolic bone disease!

Oh, we must ban these deadly carrots. If not for us, then for the children. So that they may never know the horror of a carrot infested world!

 

[Jonmo1]

How about oxygen??

There was oxygen present in every single fire related fatality in the history of the world.


OK, getting silly now...LOL.