Phoenix Atomizer help!

[korova8]

I just received my Phoenix last night. The only problem (if you would consider it a problem) is that the throat hit is INTENSE. It feels as if I'm inhaling fire. The taste is not burnt. I actually get big flavor. The juice I'm using is a cinnamon based flavor, 20%VG/80%PG w/ 24mg nicotine. I've been using this same juice and specs for about 2 years now and have never had a throat hit this harsh. My atty is reading 2.3 out of the box and I'm pushing any where from 4.0 to 4.8. 4.8 has been my favorite spot using a 2.5ohm 510 or 306 for the past 2 years. Don't get me wrong, I love throat hit and thats why my PG is so high along with nicotine level but this is to the point where it's almost unbearable. I will say the vapor production is not as "freight train" like as I was expecting but then again I can't stand to inhale for more than 2-3 seconds because of the harsh throat hit. Also, the air flow is more airy than what I'm used to but that's OK with me.
Any thoughts?

 

[Nurzrachit]

Korova8, I know what you mean it can be a little much. I broke mine down, and used RipTrippers Rebuild with Silica though SSmesh, and not only is the flavor better, but that toned down the throat/chest hit which was a killer. It also improved the vapor production. I'm using 50/50 blend as well. Good luck.

 

[korova8]

Nurzrachit, I'm glad you mentioned that because I have my ss mesh order coming in the mail today along with various types of coil. I will definitely be toying with the ss mesh to see that cures my issues. Thanks for the tip!

 

[Yourdog]

Well i use menthol fluid so my throat hit is already there lol.. but I am definately getting a burnt taste/smell I am used to throat hit but when i boiled my silica I got that same horrible smell.. and that's just by applying a little heat with the water so i really hope it is just the silica.. I want to enjoy these things so bad... Because I am tired of buying attys/cartos

 

[LucentShadow]

Korova8, I get more vapor from a Vivi Nova modded with the same wick that I use on these, but not by much. The nicotine is what hits me like a freight train. The extra flavor just kicks it up that much more.

I find myself turning the voltage down a bit with these, or they make me cough. Vaping nicotine does that to me, and I'm a bit puzzled by it. Cigarettes did not, and I can vape my face off with flavored 0mg/ml liquid, with no coughing.

As I mentioned before, though, the airflow can be poor on these. On one of mine, the air hole lands right next to a post when screwed down all the way, which puts it about 90 or 270 degrees away from where I want it, depending upon which side I put the coil on. That leads to little vapor, and a hotter coil. If you haven't made sure that the air hole ends up as close to the coil as possible, I'd heartily recommend trying that.

 

[Yourdog]

Cotton works soo much better!! The taste is 1000x better, I definately taste that 'wet cotton' taste, now I will have to try the bamboo screw silica IMO

 

[froginblender]

I'm having horrible burnt taste on my phoenix too....i trashed the stock wick n coil..made my own...it worked...but still even with a lighter wrap then factory, i'm getting burned taste on my VV Ipro.
As a matter of fact , when i blew on it like someone suggested while dry burning it 4 seconds..the mother f'er caught on fire.
Not once...but everytime i dryburned it at say 4.4 volts with 4 wraps.

I'm using on the ego bat now...no burnt taste, but not much flavor either.
So i'm sticking it in my drawer for now, until i can try making one from mesh.
.gonna try the SS mesh 325 tomorrow or whenever i can get my hands on some, and see that does any better.

It's my first time with rba...

--Does anyone know if i can get SS mesh at a hardware store or something like that? don't want to wait 3 days for an order.

thanks for any help.

 

[Nurzrachit]

I am not a cotton coniseur at this point, will be soon though after reading what everyone says. So far with this my best result was silica wick through 400SS mesh with 4 wraps of 36G Kanthal. I think it ohmed out at 2.4. Well I got bored this morning, and have some 28G nichrome, so I made this spring, and pulled 4 strands of fat silica through. I think there is about 10 coils. Initially it ohmed out at 1.7, but after some use I'm reading 1.3-1.5 ohms. This muther chucker is HOT! I'm gonna break it in and see if it mellows out, but the taste is good. The vapor is low, but it's there. I just can't take a low, slow pull because the chest hit is beyond belief. It takes a second to get going, I geuss cause the wire is so thick, but when it gets up to operating level this BiZnitch gives a boiling hot throat punch. I personally don't like it quite that hot and heavy, but it is amusing. If you know anyone that complains about lack of throat hit, show them this, they will shut up when thay pull on one of these. That is after they get done coughing their head off. No hot spots, it is not the dry scratching burn of a hot coil, this is a nic punch. I am using 18mg 60/40 VG/PG Hummingbird Nectar from Kickbassvapors which is usually mellow. that is running at 3.4 volts on the VVgripper WOW!

 

[lowboy]

Some interesting read.
I hope to get a Phoenix next week. Not my first RBA but will be the first that I will be trying hard to make work out.

 

[Vaptor]

Same here. I get a Ton of flavor but scratchy TH. Also the vapor is not as big as I would get from a carto. I tried various resistance coils and voltages but it's same. Gets even worse with higher voltage actually. It's not the same dry scratchy TH as with clearomizers tho. Great atty but the TH is a pain in the ....

 

[PEneoark]

They're Ok RAs. Nothing to write home about. Mine stopped firing on my ego 650, but will fire on my twist and lambo. Oh well.

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[DarklyNoon]

mother f'er caught on fire.

You weren't dry burning cotton wicks were you? They'll burn up if you try to dry burn em... IMO that's the only downside of using cotton.

 

[lowboy]

The best wick I made was made from Cotton. After about a hour of drawing on it was good.
Got a viva coming and I want to compare it to cartos.

 

[Victor Vandyke]

Reinventing the Phoenix Rebuildable Atomizer

Recommended...

 

[lowboy]

I hated it when I first got it. It burned my throat and chest bad.
I modded the air hole and that helped a lot. Like was said make sure the air hole in inline with the wick. I have made the wicks from Candle wick, Silica, 400 Mesh, and Cotton. I can only say I like the Silica the least. I'm running my first Mesh right now. My biggest problem was I like to chain vape.
I'm learning to slow down with it.
I have made coils from 1.9 to 2.9. Most come out at an avg of 2.3.
I have also found that it works best on a box mod(Krimsom Kustom) at 3.8 volts.
I have put it on a Darwin and a Provari also.
I enjoy playing with it to see what works best.
The cotton seems to be pulling ahead right now.
I've only had this for a couple weeks.Learning something new all the time.
I only use it while watching TV as I don't vape much during the day but when I do I am a serious chain vaper.

 

[LucentShadow]

Just to reiterate, for those that have not checked their air flow, and don't like the high TH:

Make sure that the air hole is positioned so that the incoming air flows perpendicular to the coil, and hits the coil near it's center.

This is likely one of the most frustrating things about these, for many. The shell on these things get the air hole drilled with no regard to where it ends up based upon the particular threadings of the completed unit.

If you bought more than one, and the air holes are off on them when fully tightened, try swapping the covers. They will likely end up with the air holes in completely different locations. I got much better alignment of my two that way. One was perfect, and the other is somewhat close. They were both next to the posts, originally.

The factory o-ring at the base will allow the cover to be backed-off a certain amount to align the hole correctly, and still hold it in place fairly well.

Also, make sure that you keep the coil away from the plastic post insulators. This can be somewhat difficult if you use the holes provided for securing the wire, as they are practically on top of the plastic. My lungs were raw for days because of that mistake.

I've been using mine with the coil attached to the screws on the top of the posts, well away from the insulation, and also more in the airflow, because it sits a bit higher.

The air hole on mine seemed to be 1mm (0.04") in diameter. The smallest tool that I had to try and widen it was a 1/16" (1.6mm) drill, and I used it. This made it super airy on the draw, but further reduced the throat hit. With this, I can either crank the voltage from 4.0 to 4.8 and take the quick draw, or leave the voltage down and slow down my draw myself. It's a bit odd, but workable.

That made for almost 2.5 times the airflow of the original hole, which is a bit extreme. Widening it to around 1.2mm would likely be quite enough, as that should offer almost a 50% increase in airflow.

I like mine even more, now, but hopefully the newer ones address some of these issues. I've heard that they do.