Phoenix/Chalice Vertical Cotton Wick Setup

[Razloz]

You'll notice a drop in flavor when it starts to dry out. For me this is usually about 2~3 tokes before the wick will burn. I've noticed I can get a decent vape with a nearly dry wick, but its running a fine line between working and burnt. I've come to realize I like a big coil around a fat, loose wick that pretty soaked. I love that snap-crackle-pop I get with this combo. In other words, I'm running my wicks pretty wet these days.

I'm the same way hildicat. Even made some 4 ohm coils just for the sheer surface area and they worked great.

I have a handul of clones on the way and I'm looking forward to thier arival. I've been a cartomizer only guy since the beginning. I have 2 ViVi Nova's that if rebuilt just about every known way with mixed results. Best results with cotton yarn but still not as satisfying as a Boge.

Anyone tried a vertical SS wick with cotton in the drip well as a filler material?

I tried it but couldn't get it to work for fear of melting the silicon around the posts. I don't think I oxidized it properly either, might try the rolling paper trick next time. I'm sure it can work, I just haven't been successful with it yet.

 

[MrKV]

Man, you guys do some nice work. Love seeing all this experimenting going on and most importantly sharing the knowledge!

Keep it up! I'm definitely going to try this when I get around to getting a phoenix!

 

[BuzzBait]

This method works so good, its the only way I vape now.
It's so easy to make a coil and bam it works, and it works Really GOOD!
Thanks for sharing your method!

 

[dDubs]

I have a handul of clones on the way and I'm looking forward to thier arival. I've been a cartomizer only guy since the beginning. I have 2 ViVi Nova's that if rebuilt just about every known way with mixed results. Best results with cotton yarn but still not as satisfying as a Boge.

Anyone tried a vertical SS wick with cotton in the drip well as a filler material?

I made a setup like hildicat demoed, but previously was running a vertical ss mesh wick, but without filler material in the drip well. I guess it would be a good idea because it would hold the juice, if I let mine sit on its side the juice would leak out. I don't see why you couldn't put some filler in the bottom. My setup worked, but I think it was wicking too fast, like the coil couldn't get up to optimal temp.

 

[Shiryo]

Here's my setup! This was the best idea ever going vertical. First started out with just cotton wick and then moved up to ss mesh wrapped around cotton.

Closeup pic of the setup.



Video:

 

[Razloz]

Here's my setup! This was the best idea ever going vertical. First started out with just cotton wick and then moved up to ss mesh wrapped around cotton.

Nice setup been trying to get mine working like that for a while but it keeps glowing red hot between the post and the coil. Thinking it's probably because I'm using 36g nichrome so it's just heating up too fast before it gets to the coil. Do you have any issues with the leads heating up like that?

 

[Boden]

Nice setup been trying to get mine working like that for a while but it keeps glowing red hot between the post and the coil. Thinking it's probably because I'm using 36g nichrome so it's just heating up too fast before it gets to the coil. Do you have any issues with the leads heating up like that?

You're getting a short at the first wrap. Fire your device, while it's on use a toothpick to "tickle" the coils until they glow evenly.
Zen has a vid on this. I'll look for it.

This isn't the one i was thinking of but at 9min he does the tickle trick. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzi50Vzg-J8&feature=channel&list=UL

found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BacJzxyr0Nk

 

[HawkeyeFLA]

Here's my setup! This was the best idea ever going vertical. First started out with just cotton wick and then moved up to ss mesh wrapped around cotton.

Closeup pic of the setup.



Video:

Looks good, but curious why the extra wire going around the screw and into the hole? Why not just wrap it around the screw and crank it down?

 

[Razloz]

You're getting a short at the first wrap. Fire your device, while it's on use a toothpick to "tickle" the coils until they glow evenly.
Zen has a vid on this. I'll look for it.

This isn't the one i was thinking of but at 9min he does the tickle trick. zenesis coil basics - YouTube

found it: How to Wrap a Zen Atty Coil, ft. ~Zen - YouTube

Wouldn't the ohms be off if it was shorting out though?

 

[Boden]

Wouldn't the ohms be off if it was shorting out though?

It's not a dead short. Think of it as a partial short. Watch the vid. How to Wrap a Zen Atty Coil, ft. ~Zen - YouTube

 

[DarklyNoon]

Looks good, but curious why the extra wire going around the screw and into the hole? Why not just wrap it around the screw and crank it down?

Its probably like mine... The screw doesn't tighten all the way down on the taller post.

 

[Razloz]

It's not a dead short. Think of it as a partial short. Watch the vid. How to Wrap a Zen Atty Coil, ft. ~Zen - YouTube

That's how I've been doing it, I've watched a ton of videos on how to set up the coils right. It's not a short it's just that I can't apply as much voltage as I like without those spots heating up faster than the ones in contact with the wick. Just to test it out I put one together and it works fine up until 4.2 volts on the twist, and it's a 3 ohm coil (~5.9W). Normally I vape 2.6 ohms at 5 volts (~9.6W). No amount of poking and proding stops the parts not in contact with the wick from getting red out past 6 watts. If it is a partial short I must not be oxidizing the SS right, but it doesn't seem like that's the problem, at least from all the tests I've done.

 

[Shiryo]

Looks good, but curious why the extra wire going around the screw and into the hole? Why not just wrap it around the screw and crank it down?

Its probably like mine... The screw doesn't tighten all the way down on the taller post.

Precisely this.

 

[notsmoking]

That's how I've been doing it, I've watched a ton of videos on how to set up the coils right. It's not a short it's just that I can't apply as much voltage as I like without those spots heating up faster than the ones in contact with the wick. Just to test it out I put one together and it works fine up until 4.2 volts on the twist, and it's a 3 ohm coil (~5.9W). Normally I vape 2.6 ohms at 5 volts (~9.6W). No amount of poking and proding stops the parts not in contact with the wick from getting red out past 6 watts. If it is a partial short I must not be oxidizing the SS right, but it doesn't seem like that's the problem, at least from all the tests I've done.

As I have read in a number of different posts.... you need to run at a lower voltage for about 2 or 3 mls of juice and then you can start increasing your voltage until you find / reach your sweet spot

hope this helps

 

[Razloz]

As I have read in a number of different posts.... you need to run at a lower voltage for about 2 or 3 mls of juice and then you can start increasing your voltage until you find / reach your sweet spot

hope this helps

Hmm I'll give it a shot, atm I just wrapped a bit of cotton around the positive lead since it's the one that heats up the fastest. Doing this I can vape it at 4.8v on the twist without it glowing. Cotton makes a great filler material too btw.

 

[Boden]

That's how I've been doing it, I've watched a ton of videos on how to set up the coils right. It's not a short it's just that I can't apply as much voltage as I like without those spots heating up faster than the ones in contact with the wick. Just to test it out I put one together and it works fine up until 4.2 volts on the twist, and it's a 3 ohm coil (~5.9W). Normally I vape 2.6 ohms at 5 volts (~9.6W). No amount of poking and proding stops the parts not in contact with the wick from getting red out past 6 watts. If it is a partial short I must not be oxidizing the SS right, but it doesn't seem like that's the problem, at least from all the tests I've done.

That is strange, although 9.6w is hot. I agree with Notsmoking, start low and work up, that should give the coil and wick time to oxidize more. Then give it the gas

Just looked at my SS wick DUD and I'm running at 7.35w with a freshly made coil and wick with no problems.

 

[HawkeyeFLA]

Precisely this.

Fair enough

 

[Razloz]

That is strange, although 9.6w is hot. I agree with Notsmoking, start low and work up, that should give the coil and wick time to oxidize more. Then give it the gas

Just looked at my SS wick DUD and I'm running at 7.35w with a freshly made coil and wick with no problems.

Are you using 36g nichrome? I'm pretty sure it's because of the wire I'm using...don't have any lower AWG to test my theory at the moment though.

 

[Boden]

I'm using 32awg Kanthal A-1 on the SS wicks. I guess that the 36awg could be shorting to the wick a bit more... not sure.

AAAHH!!! The resistance differential will be lower on a 36awg wire (~26ohms/ft) than it will be with a 32awg (~10.2 Ohms/ft)(both nichrome). The closer the coil wire resistance is to the resistance of the oxidized SS the more readily the electrons will chose to move to the SS wick.

edit: victory dance in process

This means any SS wick using a lower awg wire will be less likely to have hot spots shorts etc...

 

[Razloz]

I'm using 32awg Kanthal A-1 on the SS wicks. I guess that the 36awg could be shorting to the wick a bit more... not sure.

AAAHH!!! The resistance differential will be lower on a 36awg wire (~26ohms/ft) than it will be with a 32awg (~10.2 Ohms/ft)(both nichrome). The closer the coil wire resistance is to the resistance of the oxidized SS the more readily the electrons will chose to move to the SS wick.

edit: victory dance in process

This means any SS wick using a lower awg wire will be less likely to have hot spots shorts etc...

Well put! Basically what I was thinking but couldn't find the right words...hehe

Now to go order some 28g or 30g wire...^^;