Phoenix rebuildable bottom feeder?

[Atlantisboy]

I don't know the ins and out but I have seen it mentioned many times , here is a qoute from another thread.

"Brass when soaked in juice starts to degrade and you wouldn't want to vape copper and zinc particles."

The DID atomizer has been changed to SS from Brass centre post and nuts because the juice was reacting with it , degrading it and making it go green.

 

[Emris]

What you are describing is called patina. It is a reaction that metal has when exposed to the elements. It is the way that it oxidizes. Almost all metals oxidize except for a few. I can understand your concern and you should do what you think is best for you. I don't have a problem with it nor have I found anything that stated that it would be unsafe. Until then I will continue to do what I think to be OK. I do appreciate your post, just wish when people do post something like that there was some factual information linked to it. Not saying that it isn't true its just that I have not found it. Now you have me intrigued, so I am going to try to find something in regards to this.

 

[Atlantisboy]

Thanks , I really want to do that to my Phoenix which is why I am interested .I am also trying to find more info and will post it if I do

 

[urquidezj]

To each his own but in the modding forum we tend to preach no juice in brass or copper, it makes ur juice taste like crap and reacts badly. Gummy bear did some tests with different juices and the outcome wasn't pretty. I have one of these ti play with, what I would do is order some 16 gauge ss tubing, drill it through with a drill that will give u a nice press fit, this way it avoid or has minimal contact with the brass. We wouldn't be saying it if ur was safe. But again if u don't care, carry on.

 

[Atlantisboy]

To each his own but in the modding forum we tend to preach no juice in brass or copper, it makes ur juice taste like crap and reacts badly. Gummy bear did some tests with different juices and the outcome wasn't pretty. I have one of these ti play with, what I would do is order some 16 gauge ss tubing, drill it through with a drill that will give u a nice press fit, this way it avoid or has minimal contact with the brass. We wouldn't be saying it if ur was safe. But again if u don't care, carry on.

Thanks for the info I new I was on the right track, I would love to do that to my Phoenix but have no modding skills LOL. I guess I will have to wait for the BF Era to arrive in the Co-op , you are in for one too aren't you?

 

[urquidezj]

Already have a torched one. The top fed is coming to me now. If u want me to mod u a Phoenix lmk atl, I'll hook u up.

 

[Emris]

You might be correct. I will check it from time to time and see if anything happens. I guess I should stop using all my mods that have a brass catch cup or brass drip well as they come into contact with the juice also. I never noticed anything with those. I will pop the atty apart from time to time and see if anything happens or if the juice starts tasting funny or different. Until then I will use it the way it is, or at least until I can find some hard evidence supporting your statements!

 

[Emris]

I can find a ton of stuff on aluminum and why it is not wise to use it! Guess everyone needs to stop using cartos as the threads are made of aluminum!

 

[urquidezj]

Do as u want dude, the responses u give with that prove me the ur statements is not necessary. Do some reading from us modders who have been messing with this for a while. Regardless, here is a pic of one of my first attys. made from a RCA jack. The posts are brass and my juice isn't that green shade you see on there. Atty hasn't been used because if I can avoid brass in my chamber I will. All of my attys are stainless no discoloration no juice leeching chemical just a clean wick and coil.

The top tube is the same

 

[Emris]

If you want to get into a pissing contest you are in the wrong forum bud. You think only the people who mod hang out in the modders forum? I have built more mods than most people have had hot dinners! All I am saying is have something to back up your claim if you are going to state that something is not good. I have seen too many people come in here and scare the hell out of people about batteries, what to vape in, use this dont use that. Most of it is only an opinion. If you have some scientific evidence then bring it forth. As far as my statements go you can take them how ever you like. Nothing I have stated is false, do some reading your self!

 

[urquidezj]

Not doing a pissing contest and deff entirely not trying to scare anyone. If i see someone posting something that isnt the healthiest of things i will call them out. Plain and simple. Trying ti spread good knowledge to avoid the loops I've dealt with. Yeah u r at a high caliber of modding with ur "modification" a good lil debate doesn't hurt u taking it personal telling me to read is not necessary.

 

[Emris]

lol, it was quick and easy to do. Believe it or not, not everyone has the means to drill through it! With that being said. Where is is stated that it is unhealthy? Excuse me but aren't most of us ex-smokers that now vape. Im sure doing neither is healthier that either. Please provide me a link to something other than what some guy in his garage posted on a forum. I am not taking it personal, you will find it very hard to get under my skin. I am not saying I am right and you are wrong. I just want people to back up their claims. Debating me and not providing the info isn't doing anyone any good! If you can I would love to see it and I would support you in this. Finely, its OK for you to tell me to do some reading but I cant you? Little hypocritical isn't it?

 

[Bourbonman]

From Wikipedia:

"To enhance the machinability of brass, lead is often added in concentrations of around 2%. Since lead has a lower melting point than the other constituents of the brass, it tends to migrate towards the grain boundaries in the form of globules as it cools from casting. The pattern the globules form on the surface of the brass increases the available lead surface area which in turn affects the degree of leaching. In addition, cutting operations can smear the lead globules over the surface. These effects can lead to significant lead leaching from brasses of comparatively low lead content."

Add that to the copper content, and then whatever other impurities may be present in an alloy made in a country with a reputation for being careless with potentially toxic substances.

I'm not here to get into any arguments. Just providing info for people to use in making their own risk-assessments. I just happened across this thread while exploring bottom feed rba possibilities.

 

[urquidezj]

I've done the reading. Something looks fishy I'm avoiding it bro. Just like don't grandma telling me if u are allergic to ants, you won't be allergic to scorpions. I'm not gonna go see if a scorpion efs me up just to prove granny wrong. Was just trying to look out. The safest materials is what I want to use and want fellow vapers to use. That is all

 

[Emris]

From Wikipedia:

"To enhance the machinability of brass, lead is often added in concentrations of around 2%. Since lead has a lower melting point than the other constituents of the brass, it tends to migrate towards the grain boundaries in the form of globules as it cools from casting. The pattern the globules form on the surface of the brass increases the available lead surface area which in turn affects the degree of leaching. In addition, cutting operations can smear the lead globules over the surface. These effects can lead to significant lead leaching from brasses of comparatively low lead content."

Add that to the copper content, and then whatever other impurities may be present in an alloy made in a country with a reputation for being careless with potentially toxic substances.

I'm not here to get into any arguments. Just providing info for people to use in making their own risk-assessments. I just happened across this thread while exploring bottom feed rba possibilities.

Now that is good information! Thank you for posting it. Never even thought of going to wiki as I have been burnt many times by some of the info I get there. With that being said to error on the side a caution is probably a good idea as we have no idea what grade material is being used in this atty. Thanks again! Good stuff!

 

[Emris]

I've done the reading. Something looks fishy I'm avoiding it bro. Just like don't grandma telling me if u are allergic to ants, you won't be allergic to scorpions. I'm not gonna go see if a scorpion efs me up just to prove granny wrong. Was just trying to look out. The safest materials is what I want to use and want fellow vapers to use. That is all

No problem, I understand your concerns. Its all good. Although I feel vaping is much safer that smoking only time will tell. We all might grow a third eyeball after a few years of vaping.

 

[urquidezj]

Especially from china bro, lead central heehe, member even toys where getting recalled from being lead ridden?

 

[Emris]

I would still that that using cartos with the aluminum wouldnt be good either. As aluminum is known to be involved with Alzheimers.

 

[urquidezj]

No problem, I understand your concerns. Its all good. Although I feel vaping is much safer that smoking only time will tell. We all might grow a third eyeball after a few years of vaping.

Everything efs us up bro, errrrrrthang! Wait I thought we all quit do people would stop complaining about us smelling like ashtrays. Wtf it's all a lie!

 

[urquidezj]

I would still that that using cartos with the aluminum wouldnt be good either. As aluminum is known to be involved with Alzheimers.

What aluminum? Huh?