Piezo-Ceramic cold ultrasonic atomizer?!?
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I think that would be the go actually.(referring to the Zero Gun) I will try to make something cool looking like maybe a "Chillum" LOL...
Who knows maybe the atomizer is tiny.
I am thinking an e-cigar casing might work, they are very easily mod-able as there is lots of room inside the casing for bits and pieces and there is room for a bigger atomizer than the 801 not to mention a proper battery... you can get 500mAh batteries that fit too (vs 360mAh standard).
I seriously lack tools unfortunately but I could probably get some sort of case made up for me after a prototype proves it works.
I may attempt to use ultrasonics in the future but for now I am going to mod the Zero Mini Blaster
Who knows maybe the atomizer is tiny.
I am thinking an e-cigar casing might work, they are very easily mod-able as there is lots of room inside the casing for bits and pieces and there is room for a bigger atomizer than the 801 not to mention a proper battery... you can get 500mAh batteries that fit too (vs 360mAh standard).
I seriously lack tools unfortunately but I could probably get some sort of case made up for me after a prototype proves it works.
I may attempt to use ultrasonics in the future but for now I am going to mod the Zero Mini Blaster
I would be concerned about the ultra sonic humidifiers. They may put off a second hand nicotine that could be absorbed into the skin. read this from the third link
The Anion AromaDiffuser is an innovative product that combines the best of East and Westtechnology, science and culture. By adopting the advanced ultrasonic technology, the Anion Aroma Diffuser can breaks up the essential oil and water into extremely fine micro-particles and releases the active ingredients andanions into the air. This natural aroma therapy technique will create a soothing, calming atmosphere. The water vapor that released in the air alsoacts as a natural moisture for our skin. This technology does not use heat that can destroy some properties in the essential oil and the micro-particles remains in the air longer and can be absorbed into our body easily for better therapeutic effect.
Oh and by the way essential oils is not a marketing term they are plant extracts that are used for medicinal reasons
The Anion AromaDiffuser is an innovative product that combines the best of East and Westtechnology, science and culture. By adopting the advanced ultrasonic technology, the Anion Aroma Diffuser can breaks up the essential oil and water into extremely fine micro-particles and releases the active ingredients andanions into the air. This natural aroma therapy technique will create a soothing, calming atmosphere. The water vapor that released in the air alsoacts as a natural moisture for our skin. This technology does not use heat that can destroy some properties in the essential oil and the micro-particles remains in the air longer and can be absorbed into our body easily for better therapeutic effect.
Oh and by the way essential oils is not a marketing term they are plant extracts that are used for medicinal reasons
I have read about the self tuning circuits, but I am not any good at circuit analysis or design. I have not been able to find any sources on the net either.
I would not be. They are no different than ultrasonic nebulizers used to administer medication. If "medication" in the air caused second hand absorption, hospitals would be in a world of hurt.
Water vapor evaporates and increases the relative humidity. Once that happens, the "medicine" contained in that water really can't be absorbed through the skin. Once the vapor disappears, so does any threat of accidental ingestion.
I don't see the difference in second hand vapor from heating or ultrasonic. Just two different ways of getting to the same end.
I think frequency might be important and need to vary with the liquid, but it might not; perhaps it's just a matter of power, which i believe would be small compared to the heating element. The piezo would just push some fine droplets onto the heating coil; at the moment drawn ait pulls droplets from the metal wick that lies hiddden behind and around the sides of the heating coild and its cermaic bowl.
Well, it seems I'm finally emerging from my months-long incubatory lurking in order to give my input as a compulsive tinkerer of all things tinkerable (and then some
).Anyhow, I've been researching how to build a better
Frequency effects speed of the transducer's activity, and consequently the size of the scattered particles, which will determine how well they are absorbed into the bloodstream. Higher frequency = smaller particles = increased pulmonary deposition.
From what I can remember taking my family's humidifier apart when I was a kid - got in trouble for that one; told you I was compulsive!
- this makes the vapor significantly less visible when cranked to high. Not sure what this would do to throat-hit. Nebulizing devices intended for internal use seem to vary in the range of 1.5mhz-3mhz. Note of Caution: Because of the variations in absorbtion rate from this factor, I would suggest that any early experimentation be undertaken carefully. I don't think it'd go so far as to be a life-threatening risk, but you could make yourself quite miserable for a spell. Use low-density fluid first.
Amplitude (peak-to-peak variation) Determines the force of the disc's motion, which will impact the volume of vapor it kicks up.
Low-frequency, high amplitude could create some fluid buildup in your lungs, so it's probably going to be about finding a sweet spot between the two.
Rather lengthy for my first post, I suppose.
Hi Clurichaun, welcome to the mousetrap, er i mean forums
i prefer to use a piezo to dose a heating coil. If not heating coil, there's probably no need for PG or VG as the mist can be just that (i.e. water). Either way, thanks for some technical details and suggestions.
i prefer to use a piezo to dose a heating coil. If not heating coil, there's probably no need for PG or VG as the mist can be just that (i.e. water). Either way, thanks for some technical details and suggestions.
You mean a heating coil in tandem with the piezo transducer? I've been turning that over in my head as well, since the lack of heat would quite likely damage the reproduction of the smoking experience. Power consumption would be more intensive, but you'd most likely get away with using less power per component than you would if they were alone, which would increase lifespan as well. I bet an atomizer that didn't have to get red hot would last a hell of a lot longer than what we see now.
This seems the place to ask..
Aren't the Ruyan e-cigs using ultrasonic?
I'm seeing tons of e-cig things out here, all based on heat. That heat flashing liquid to gas isn't a lot different than burning something, and can fundamentally change the nature of a chemical.
That is, the New Zealand study was specifically on Ruyan e-cigs, meaning ultrasonic vapor, not steam/heat flashed vapor.
Has anyone seen anything (study wise) on heat/coil related e-cigs? This would seem to be a completely different class of device, to me.
Also, has anyone found any information on the life of the Ruyan atomizer versus the heat/coil types? I really don't like the idea of buying new atomizers every week (most here seem to imply that they burn out about once a week on average), and it seems from the Ruyan site(s) that they would last much much longer.
Then we have the question, since Ruyan "claims" you can not refil their carts, has anyone seen Ruyan carts in something other than "tobacco" flavor? I _really_ don't want to go that rout, I want to go a fruity route.
Anyone?
Aren't the Ruyan e-cigs using ultrasonic?
I'm seeing tons of e-cig things out here, all based on heat. That heat flashing liquid to gas isn't a lot different than burning something, and can fundamentally change the nature of a chemical.
That is, the New Zealand study was specifically on Ruyan e-cigs, meaning ultrasonic vapor, not steam/heat flashed vapor.
Has anyone seen anything (study wise) on heat/coil related e-cigs? This would seem to be a completely different class of device, to me.
Also, has anyone found any information on the life of the Ruyan atomizer versus the heat/coil types? I really don't like the idea of buying new atomizers every week (most here seem to imply that they burn out about once a week on average), and it seems from the Ruyan site(s) that they would last much much longer.
Then we have the question, since Ruyan "claims" you can not refil their carts, has anyone seen Ruyan carts in something other than "tobacco" flavor? I _really_ don't want to go that rout, I want to go a fruity route.
Anyone?
The report can be read here (pdf) : http://www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/extra info/e-cigarette-safety-report.pdf
The report used VPs with a heater coil. No acrolein was detected.
The report used VPs with a heater coil. No acrolein was detected.
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From what I can see, they tested the ultrasonic Ruyan. I've not seen anything in the reports that explain the devices, but the picture here www dot healthnz dot co dot nz/Portland2008ECIG.pdf shows on page 2 a cross of the device (or, a device) and has the "ultrasonic vaporizer" identified.
Given no open flame, no actual "combustion", the odds of there being anything other than "steam" is low, but I'd like that verified, to be honest. Otherwise you're only "sure" if you buy Ruyan, and those are expensive and only have the tobacco-based flavors (ick).
If one were to shell out more for the Ruyan (and possibly not need to buy any more atomizers, as is required with most other kinds), does anyone know (for a fact, as opposed to theoretically) if you can refill the carts? Ruyan says that will "destroy the device", but I'm pretty sure that's based on them wanting to keep selling carts.
Given no open flame, no actual "combustion", the odds of there being anything other than "steam" is low, but I'd like that verified, to be honest. Otherwise you're only "sure" if you buy Ruyan, and those are expensive and only have the tobacco-based flavors (ick).
If one were to shell out more for the Ruyan (and possibly not need to buy any more atomizers, as is required with most other kinds), does anyone know (for a fact, as opposed to theoretically) if you can refill the carts? Ruyan says that will "destroy the device", but I'm pretty sure that's based on them wanting to keep selling carts.
The original report doesn't show the device but talks on page 9 about the heating element. There is no combustion only heating - these are very different. While heating might entail chemical changes, no acrolein was detected.
On a different note, interestingly the report tells that short puffs contain very little nicotine; longer puffs are required as the nicotine is released after the initial vapor production.
This report http://www.healthnz.co.nz/Portland2008ECIG.pdf shows I believe the original VP design and not the one tested; this report also talks about heating (page 12). The picture is very misleading without a full caption.
This article http://www.healthnz.co.nz/ecigfortrial.htm talks about 'warming the mist' suggesting that first a mist is created with a piezo and the mist then warmed; this would not be vapor as we know it. The site has been rather careless in presenting the facts clearly; however, on the vapor test results I think we can have confidence although I have just a tiny doubt now over whether they really did test the heater coil design that we all use today.
On a different note, interestingly the report tells that short puffs contain very little nicotine; longer puffs are required as the nicotine is released after the initial vapor production.
This report http://www.healthnz.co.nz/Portland2008ECIG.pdf shows I believe the original VP design and not the one tested; this report also talks about heating (page 12). The picture is very misleading without a full caption.
This article http://www.healthnz.co.nz/ecigfortrial.htm talks about 'warming the mist' suggesting that first a mist is created with a piezo and the mist then warmed; this would not be vapor as we know it. The site has been rather careless in presenting the facts clearly; however, on the vapor test results I think we can have confidence although I have just a tiny doubt now over whether they really did test the heater coil design that we all use today.
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I've seen these exact same models on eBay, just in case you don't need a containerload of 4080 of them
A bit big for an e.cig though - more like a ....!
I may try this idea. If it doesn't have enough vapor, a multi-tranducer system may work and cleaning would be a snap.
By the way..I use an E-pipe, so space and battery power are a bit easier to put in.
These are not encouraging specs...
MODEL
OD Atomizing speciality drive condition
Resonance frequency Resonance impedance Static capacitance coupling coefficient import pressure import current water level Fog output
(mm) (MHz)±4% (Ω)max. (pF)±20% (%)min. (V) (A) (mm) (ml/h)
1.65Y25D 25 1.65 3 1630 40 48 0.75 43 400
1.70Y20D 20 1.70 3 1800 40 48 0.65 50 400
2.40Y20D 20 2.4 3 1650 40 24 0.6 35 200
.6 Amps is the lowest, for 200 ML of fog per hour (no very much)
MODEL
OD Atomizing speciality drive condition
Resonance frequency Resonance impedance Static capacitance coupling coefficient import pressure import current water level Fog output
(mm) (MHz)±4% (Ω)max. (pF)±20% (%)min. (V) (A) (mm) (ml/h)
1.65Y25D 25 1.65 3 1630 40 48 0.75 43 400
1.70Y20D 20 1.70 3 1800 40 48 0.65 50 400
2.40Y20D 20 2.4 3 1650 40 24 0.6 35 200
.6 Amps is the lowest, for 200 ML of fog per hour (no very much)
I thought those piezo devices put out a quite a lot of vapour,
usually they have to for humidification applications (with water).
Looking at the last column your table (ml/hr), is that vapour produced,
or liquid used up in producing vapour?
usually they have to for humidification applications (with water).
Looking at the last column your table (ml/hr), is that vapour produced,
or liquid used up in producing vapour?
I would guess that's liquid used up, just because it would be impossible to calculate the vapour volume in an open system like this (it would rely on all sorts of factors governed by atmospheric pressure gradients and atmospheric mixing, so I think would be meaningless in any scientific sense.)
And since 200ml is less than half an average breath, it wouldn't make much practical sense that it produces such a tiny vapour volume - it would be hopelessly inadequate for humidifying a room.
If it is 200ml liquid/hr, that sounds like more than enough juice conversion to have fun with (but I can't entirely rule out non-scientific gibberish creeping into their description - the world is full of it!)
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