PIF Ethics

[Jules22871]

Here is something I want honest answers about.

Knowing, that I have a Chuck, an Ego, a Fist Pack, a special one of a kind 7V mod, 510 and an 808...Seeing the pictures of my stash that most of you have seen, what would you do if I went in the wants and needs thread and said I wanted to try some Mrs T's Snickerdoodles? Don't think of this as Jules asking but as someone else. I know you all would give me your last drop if I asked for it.

Knowing that I have all that equipment and all the juice I have, am I a bad person for wanting to try something without forking out a ton of cash to make sure it is something that wouldn't go to waste just sitting here? Am I a bad person for wanting to try a sample of this?

Now, before you answer, know this, I want honesty. This is a question that has been in my head for a few days now and to be honest, it is brought out by all the things that have been going on lately. No one is going to be banned or have their post deleted or edited unless it breaks PIF/ECF rules and there are no repercussions for honesty. I want to see which direction the ethics of PIF has went.

 

[Neo]

I have no problems with this as long as it's requested clearly as a WANT and not a NEED. There's a big difference in my eyes. Also, it's a sample being requested in your scenario I take it, not 30 ml or something...just trying to see if it's something they like rather than buying a huge bottle.

I do think, under the conditions you laid out, the person should accept only ONE sample. Any other offers should be refused.

OTOH, I've seen other things I have ethical issues with. But that's another story and another post.

 

[RedDeath5]

isn't that what the thread's for? "wants" and needs? if i have something you wanna try, i don't care how much stuff you got, i'm gonna pass it along. i'm not here to judge who needs what based on what they already have. i'm here to give freely that which i may have to give.

 

[firhill]

Here is something I want honest answers about.... I have a Chuck, an Ego, a Fist Pack, a special one of a kind 7V mod, 510 and an 808...


Knowing that I have all that equipment and all the juice I have, am I a bad person for wanting to try something without forking out a ton of cash to make sure it is something that wouldn't go to waste just sitting here? Am I a bad person for wanting to try a sample of this?

Definitely No,

..but I would question your integrity if someone offered a Chuck, an Ego, a Fist Pack, 510 or an 808 and you snapped it up right away, without giving others, who don't have or have never tried one, the opportunity to claim it first.

 

[sensay]

To me it is also an issue of how it is requested. If it is posted as a want it is fine to me, actually It is more than fine I think that is what the thread is for. But if it was posted as a need, and suggested that the person was low on juice when they have a mad stash that would be taking advantage in my opinion.

 

[Sylvie]

""am I a bad person for wanting to try something without forking out a ton of cash..."

HECK no, those that want to try things, don't have to be in need of it, nor not able to afford it, to want it.. A sample is a sample, doesn't matter if ya rich or poor in my book... Besides we'd all go broke if we bought all them darn juices out there before trying them!! If I still had my ms. T snickerdoodle I'd send ya a sample in a heartbeat, even if ya got more toys and juices than I do

 

[asharp22]

I agree with neo, as long as it is stated as a want, and not a NEED, then you're fine. You want to try things before you buy them, and this group is great for that.

now seriously, do you want some snickerdoodle? I have a sample coming in from an ad I placed in the classifieds, it's only 6 ml but I can spare 3ml for you

 

[blackwalk]

As long as it's requested as a WANT and not a need, then I don't see the problem. I thought the purpose of the wants and needs thread was exactly for the situation you described.

 

[keyzygirl]

I think its fun to try and trade flavors.I DONT think posting it as a need,unless you are struggling and have a genuine need is OK.Theres a difference.Asking to try something is different than expressing a need that NEEDS to be filled,and grabbing hardware that someone else might need isnt very fair.

 

[Sallana]

I have no problems with this as long as it's requested clearly as a WANT and not a NEED. There's a big difference in my eyes. Also, it's a sample being requested in your scenario I take it, not 30 ml or something...just trying to see if it's something they like rather than buying a huge bottle.

I do think, under the conditions you laid out, the person should accept only ONE sample. Any other offers should be refused.

OTOH, I've seen other things I have ethical issues with. But that's another story and another post.

My opinion as well. Word for word.

 

[LuckyLulu]

That is what "want and needs" thread is for. I have spent WAY to much money on juices that I ended up hating so to ask for a sample is actually a smart thing to do. I have learned this the hard way. I have an issue with posting needs and having multiple people fufill that need. I also have an issue with the same people always having a "need" and not pif'ing. To me this group should work in a circle, Take some to get started, then start giving. Lately I have seen a lot of taking.
Sorry to be a sourpuss but this is something I have wanted to get off my chest!
Lulu

Edit-Jules feel free to delete this if my response was not what you were asking for.

 

[Ravens Rose]

You are saying that they want to try a sample instead of buying a large bottle of something they might not like. If I had a sample of that particular flavor that they wanted to try ... I would offer to send it.

This is what others have done for me and they did not know me at all. So if I can do for others as others have done for me, I will.

 

[Starchild47]

I totally agree with the above posters Sensay and Sylvie. I don't have a problem with anyone asking for a sample or something to try out. Shoot we would be poor for the next millenium if we had to pay to try out all the new juices out there. I thought that was part of the reason that the group existed. As long as it is stated as a want then I have no problem sharing with someone if I have it to share. I could care less what they have on board.

 

[r3dgh0s7]

I agree with the above. I doubt anyone think ANYONE asking for a sample of juice is an issue at all. But they should receive 1 sample, not 20 samples to get them 200ml of juice.

The problem I see is if a member posts a "need" for say, an atty, and then posts on another subforum about the 10 atty order they are expecting in the mail.

Or the member who grabs up every good PIF not even considering our newer members need stuff too.

Or the member who posts a need, 20 people send it to them b/c it takes place in PM so no one is the wiser, they they keep/sell the samples they "needed" because they got so much.

These are general scenarios and not directed at anyone, just pointing out potential issues or abuse.

The problems seem to weed themselves out after a while, though.

 

[Ru42]

Well, I understand your dilemma as I am an admin on another site - where does the line between 'boss' and participant lay. My site the admins and mods do not get involved in 'serious' debates as it might seem like we are trying to use our influence to dominate. So, we are very careful where and how we post. In this vaping arena I would say be wary of posting in supplier debates; that is the only issue that pop to mind that you should be very careful of posting in.

But with that said, we are 100% PART OF the community and are allowed to participate as one of the community. Jules - you are a PIFer and as such you have every right that every other PIFer has as well. You can post any want AND any need that you want to post - just like every other person here. It is up to the peeps to respond or not.

In your example, you want to try a juice. Knowing you for only 3 weeks or so I KNOW already that you would post your request that that as a WANT and not a need so to me there is no debate needed. Post your want. I know you would not take advantage of peeps if 2, 3, or more responded. And maybe someone just sends you it and you get too much, I know you would PIF it right back.

You also have every right to post a NEED when you have a need. People will not respond because it is 'the boss' asking for a need - they will respond because their friend Jules has a need.

So, relax, you are first and foremost a friend and a PIFer. The title of moderator is secondary. Post accordingly.

 

[markfm]

I haven't read any of the preceding answers yet, so they won't bias me.

A Want, to me, is fair game for absolutely anyone to state, at any time, subject only to the idea of "good style" (don't do one after another). For instance, I wouldn't be embarrassed to post a Want to try a particular juice or piece of HW (as a loaner) -- absolutely not a Need, I can absolutely afford it or wait to try it, but as a good community member it's fair to have a Want pop up now and again. I may have heard a lot of good things about a particular juice, am on the fence about it, Want to try a couple ml.

A Need is something that should only come up if someone is trying to do something that they cannot cover, and that's directly related to themselves or someone they're immediately trying to help. Bucks are really tight, I just lost a battery and can't afford a new one with shipping at this point, I Need an xxx battery.

The similar concept pops up in multiple threads here -- this forum area works like a virtual coffee shop, people shooting the breeze, trying to help each other on different things.

Just my opinion, but opinions are like noses -- We all have them, and they all smell

Edit: Now that I've posted, I read the earlier posts. I totally agree that if someone fulfills a specific Want for me, I shouldn't accept others offering exactly the same thing. Now, I do mean exactly the same thing -- someone recently posted a Want for coffee flavors, and several of us offered them up -- it's fair to accept several different flavors from several responders, for a generic Want-to-try, nothing faintly wrong with that, since the request was to try different things of a general type.

 

[thelook]

At one time we had a "I would like to try" thread just for this purpose.

I believe it was also kinda like a swap thread, you know like..."I would like to try some juicy peach juice and have thus and so to offer as a trade"

I see no harm in that, I too am one that has quite a bit of hardware and juices, and feel weird posting in the "needs" thread when there is something I would like to just try.
Now that being said, I have so many full bottles of juice that I have ordered to "try" and did not like and am now stuck with, when it would have been easier to swap samples with someone else.

 

[gingersnaps]

lmao. I thought thats what it was for. I have no problems

 

[jnnfrlsw]

I have no problem as long as the person clearly states it as a want instead of a need. Also, they should not accept multiple offers.

 

[Jules22871]

First, LuLu, you are not out of line at all. That is what this thread is for. I want honest answers and opinions. Second, I'm not talking about me at all. I know I can ask you all for anything and you would give it to me. I know I can post anywhere I need/want to. This is a family and that is the way I want to keep it. Third, I really don't want any snickerdoodle. I have no idea why but that is what popped into my little brain when I was typing,lol You all are doing great with your answers and replies. I love the honesty that is going on. That is what we need. PS: Internet is still wonky. I'm ready to move back to my old house. At least the damn internet worked.