Plastic Bottles & E-Liquid
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What did I do? Troll? I'M FOR E-CIGS. Was that not clear?
ANYONE???
ANYONE???
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The fact is, vaping is a relatively new thing. We do not know if there will be any long term affects.
Back on topic without the sniping please.
Back on topic without the sniping please.
You have a problem with the melting, but no problem with the fact that the type of juice you are using is powerful enough to melt through plastic? I think my concern would not only be with the bottle material, but that I am vaping a juice that is powerful enough to melt plastic. The e-juice I use does not melt into the bottles I am getting from my vendor and if they were, I'd be considering switching up pretty fast. Not just the bottle, the juice itself.
I have some juice in the flimsiest plastic sampler bottles, and they have been in there for months. None are melted on the inside, or out. If I find a juice does melt into plastic I'm not putting it into my lungs as the plastic might be the least of my worries.
Some etching over time with certain flavors like cinnamon is probably going to happen. But melting a plastic that soon as you say, I'd reconsider vaping those juices.
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Perhaps I over-reacted a bit to Rick's posts. My apologies. Now, back on topic.
A juice that eats the plastic we use for bottles may have no effect in our respiratory system. Unfortunately there is little or no research in this area. Acetic acid, found in many foods, eats polycarbonate in seconds but is fine to eat. I think what Matt is getting at is that while we don't know the effects of what we know is in the vapor we breathe, adding molecules of plastic to the mix should be avoided if possible. My plastic bottles show no signs of wear so like I posted previously, it must be specific flavorings or additives.
A juice that eats the plastic we use for bottles may have no effect in our respiratory system. Unfortunately there is little or no research in this area. Acetic acid, found in many foods, eats polycarbonate in seconds but is fine to eat. I think what Matt is getting at is that while we don't know the effects of what we know is in the vapor we breathe, adding molecules of plastic to the mix should be avoided if possible. My plastic bottles show no signs of wear so like I posted previously, it must be specific flavorings or additives.
I know the research has not been done, that is why I am not taking a risk putting into my lungs a juice that is supposedly melting plastic. Simply taking it out of the plastic bottle and into a glass bottle that is not going to melt wouldn't really address the problem for me. I just found it interesting all of the hysterics were specifically only about the plastic bottle, and not that he has a juice that can melt plastic in the first place.
Leaching over time IMO is not the same as melting into the plastic that fast, as MWA was suggesting. The leaching over time is more of an issue with plastic whereas the melting that quickly seems more an issue with the juice itself. Again, my point was, the plastic bottle might be the least of his worries. And there is no evidence or research to suggest that the juice is either harmful or safe to the respiratory system, but if it is melting plastic.....that is where the question marks get bigger.
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Hey op, I am ordering glass today. I am so happy to have some evolution in my process that does not involve the latest juice delivery system! Sometimes the smallest, simplest things are the most mature things one can do.
p.s. Hey Rick, vaping as of 9 years ago does not resemble the quality or quantity of options we have today. The last 4.5 years or even fewer is more like the wonder years
Dude, it's okay, you'll be fine!
p.s. Hey Rick, vaping as of 9 years ago does not resemble the quality or quantity of options we have today. The last 4.5 years or even fewer is more like the wonder years
Dude, it's okay, you'll be fine!
One more thought and then I'll go away for a while. I DIY all my e-liquid and use a pipette pump with polycarbonate pipettes. One day I mixed up some pineapple using a brand from a supplier that I'd never used before. When I went to rinse out the pipette I noticed that the tip, where the fluid had been, was completely opaque. Being a little slow as i am, I reached for a second pipette and tried it again. Same thing happened immediately. I've used maybe 40-50 different flavors and never had this happen. Needless to say I haven't used that flavoring again. Bummer, because it was the best pineapple flavor I've found! I just bring this up because you just never know what is in that bottle of juice you're vaping.
I definitely agree, and good for you for nixing that juice. THis is exactly why it baffled me that I was reading all of these hysterical posts from mwa about the plastic, but not a moment's concern that he is vaping a juice that is melting plastic.
I would first find a juice that doesn't melt plastic THEN worry about boarding a crusade to get vendors to use glass. If they all started using glass right now, one might not uncover the issue with those that are melting plastics.
My fault completely. I should have been more sensitive to the OPs concerns regarding leeching. Won't happen again...I promise.
I honestly was trying to allay some fears about e-juice safety.
BTW - I really WOULD like to know about anybody suffering medically from e-liquid. I AM a vaper, you know.
...just sane... (kinda like "I'm just saying, gnome sane?)
Excuse me, but I know whats in the juices I'm using, and there is no cinnamon in them, and nothing that you would have thought that would melt plastic. It's also not necessarily melting also, could be etching, but either way I taste a difference in using plastic compared to glass. Heck i also taste plastic in a bottle of water if its room temp.
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Nail on the head Pete, exactly,,, as well as the taste difference when storing in glass compared to plastic.
mwa do you have any old atomizer you been using with those juices that you can dissect ? I wonder if the "powerfull" liquids can do something to atomizers or have you look into these allready ?
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You know exactly what is in your juice? Are you DIY'ing? Your posts inferred you were buying ready made juice from a vendor. Even with the vendors I trust, I don't think any of us can say 100% exactly what is in them. It just isn't that regulated.
You do what you want. I personally found it rather shocking that someone would have juice melting plastic and be more concerned about putting that same juice into glass vs wondering why it is doing that in the first place.
I know my juice does not melt even the cheapest of plastic. Not even the cheap plastic that the samplers come in. None of us can be 100% sure if vaping is 100% risk free, but I would minimize my risk when possible by avoiding juice that is melting plastic.
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you are mistaken, SOME brand new bottles DO look like this.
did you put the liquid in the bottle?
do you know what the bottle looked like before it was filled with liquid?
I just visually inspected two 30 ml bottles from heaven-gifts.com that contain Dekang DK-TAB 18 mg nic and Dekang RY4 18 mg nic, as well as a bunch of bottles (20 or so 5, 15, 30 & 50 ml sizes) from ecblend.com (that previously contained too many blends and nic strengths to list now) for any visual signs of melting/leeching. Compared to new plastic or vinyl or whatever they are, I can't see any difference at all. All used/empty bottles have been washed with really hot tap water and dried completely.
I did, however, notice some wear, but I'm pretty sure my Levis pockets are the real culprit in this case as it appears to be external.
Soooooooo...put me down for no visible signs of leeching with MY particular assortment of e-juices.
...just sane...
I did, however, notice some wear, but I'm pretty sure my Levis pockets are the real culprit in this case as it appears to be external.
Soooooooo...put me down for no visible signs of leeching with MY particular assortment of e-juices.
...just sane...
Again, no cinnamon, and nothing else that I ever thought would have done to the bottles what it did, maybe try what I'm saying here and putting some of your juice in glass, look at the color difference as well as the taste difference a month or more down the road, maybe then you will understand what I'm talking about. I haven't posted any hysterical post like your saying, only facts of what I'm seeing, tasting, and my own experiences with plastic vs Glass. I also feel that the vendors that ARE using Glass, are using it for a reason, not just because the bottles are pretty.
You cant always see everything,,,,, have you ever drank water from a water bottle that sat in a car for a week and got warm ? or even just sat for a while at room temp ? and tasted the plastic ? there is no noticeable wear on the bottle
but you can surely taste it Rick. This is more what I'm talking about, the bottles I posted pics of where my first experience of signs of wear on a bottle in my almost 3yrs of vaping, and why I posted them because I wasn't only concerned only for me,, but for other as well.
@ Jammin ,
What about vendors that are selling juice with Cinnamon oil and other ingredients in plastic bottles ? should I also not worry about this ? jut because the vendors aren't doesn't mean I dont' have a concern for these people vaping this, I do, while Cinn oil definitely has an effect. I dont vape it, but others do and have been for a long time.
What about vendors that are selling juice with Cinnamon oil and other ingredients in plastic bottles ? should I also not worry about this ? jut because the vendors aren't doesn't mean I dont' have a concern for these people vaping this, I do, while Cinn oil definitely has an effect. I dont vape it, but others do and have been for a long time.
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