Bringing these pics forward to keep on topic please =
I have brand new (never used) bottles that look like this..
I believe it is just poor finishing of the bottle from the manufacturer.
IMO it is not "melting"
Plastic Bottles & E-Liquid
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I have brand new (never used) bottles that look like this..
I believe it is just poor finishing of the bottle from the manufacturer.
IMO it is not "melting"
The bottles I have had look this way brand new had a texture on the outside that you could feel. Never looked at the inside of smooth bottles after storage so I don't know if mine have been changing. My problem is I can taste the plastic so it has to be leaching.
@ Boog,,,Sorry Boog, but new bottles look nothing like this, and if yours do then someone sold you, or you got used bottles. I have some brand new bottles of the same that I had the trouble with, they look nothing of the same from new to older and used.
@ ambientech ,
There is a huge difference between a brand new bottle and the ones I have pictured, it is more then obvious what a brand new Bottle should look like, and what a used one with issues looks like.
You guys might want to take pics of your new bottles under the light, in the dark , then fill them and tuck them away for 4-6 months, then take after pics. This is the only way you may be able to see what I'm talking about. A brand new bottle may have some type of funky pattern or markings inside of it from the factory but nothing like the way the ones I pictured have, mine the plastic has clearly moved and is different from new, and different from brand new ones when I compare new to old side by side.
Take some new juice and put half in Glass, other half in plastic, set it on the windowsill for 2 weeks, look at the color change guys,,, then tuck it away for another month, then taste each in fresh Atty's
@ ambientech ,
There is a huge difference between a brand new bottle and the ones I have pictured, it is more then obvious what a brand new Bottle should look like, and what a used one with issues looks like.
You guys might want to take pics of your new bottles under the light, in the dark , then fill them and tuck them away for 4-6 months, then take after pics. This is the only way you may be able to see what I'm talking about. A brand new bottle may have some type of funky pattern or markings inside of it from the factory but nothing like the way the ones I pictured have, mine the plastic has clearly moved and is different from new, and different from brand new ones when I compare new to old side by side.
Take some new juice and put half in Glass, other half in plastic, set it on the windowsill for 2 weeks, look at the color change guys,,, then tuck it away for another month, then taste each in fresh Atty's
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I understood what your saying
I was just speaking of 's bottles I have got and they are textured on the outside straight out of the mail.
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I don't think you understand what I am saying. They use bottles unlike other vendors. I am not saying they are already melted but I will remove their name
I do understand, thank you for you cooperation in advance for complying, they are a different type of bottle all together.
mwa102464, I am on your side about using glass over plastic but the pictures posted are not really helping in my opinion. I have 4 different sizes of BRAND NEW LDPE bottles all from different vendors and they all look almost exactly like your photos, wavy and uneven. What does convince me is your claim of melting on the inside which as you said previously was probably due to a select number of flavorings. I think my point is we should focus on the melting aspect and not what the bottle looks like under light. JMHO 
@ Sidetrack,
I apreciate your input,,a Lot,,,,
I dont kow what you see in the pics I posted, people can see different things in pics at times, if you saw these bottles up close, you would see the marking inside of the bottles are from them melting, nothing more, nothing less. On the outside they are smooth as a babies behind,,, and new bottles like this look much different on the inside then the ones I have that are melted on the inside. I just went back into my stockpile of bottles, I pulled over 15 more of them that I had, all 15 have done the same exact thing, seeing I purchase about 6-8 different flavors from this vendor and every single one of these flavors did the same thing,, I'm more then convinced it is NOT just from one or two different flavorings, everyone of them has done the same thing to this bottle. I also have new bottles of the same type ( unused-New ), they look NOTHING like the used bottles. Something is causing this to happen, my opinion is it is the bottle,( the type of plastic ) no doubt about it in my opinion, it's the bottle, now what makes it happen is a whole different story, but I wont be using these bottles Ever again, they leach, in fact I wont use any plastic again after what I'm seeing, but these bottles have definitely leach and I vaped every single one of them,, and I'm not a happy camper about this, but I'll get over it.
It's not the wavey and uneven, it is that they have clearly melted, I know what your talking about, this isnt the same I'm talking about Sidetrack,,, a new bottle can have that wavey look on the inside,,, mine the plastic has actually moved, it is a bunch of little looking melted scratch marks all joined together
I wished there was a way I could hand you and others these bottles to look at in person. I could always send some to people so they could look at them in person, in do time I just may do this, I will include you if need be in getting one of them. I'm hoping others have this same issue in a way so they to can chime in soon.
I apreciate your input,,a Lot,,,,
I dont kow what you see in the pics I posted, people can see different things in pics at times, if you saw these bottles up close, you would see the marking inside of the bottles are from them melting, nothing more, nothing less. On the outside they are smooth as a babies behind,,, and new bottles like this look much different on the inside then the ones I have that are melted on the inside. I just went back into my stockpile of bottles, I pulled over 15 more of them that I had, all 15 have done the same exact thing, seeing I purchase about 6-8 different flavors from this vendor and every single one of these flavors did the same thing,, I'm more then convinced it is NOT just from one or two different flavorings, everyone of them has done the same thing to this bottle. I also have new bottles of the same type ( unused-New ), they look NOTHING like the used bottles. Something is causing this to happen, my opinion is it is the bottle,( the type of plastic ) no doubt about it in my opinion, it's the bottle, now what makes it happen is a whole different story, but I wont be using these bottles Ever again, they leach, in fact I wont use any plastic again after what I'm seeing, but these bottles have definitely leach and I vaped every single one of them,, and I'm not a happy camper about this, but I'll get over it.
It's not the wavey and uneven, it is that they have clearly melted, I know what your talking about, this isnt the same I'm talking about Sidetrack,,, a new bottle can have that wavey look on the inside,,, mine the plastic has actually moved, it is a bunch of little looking melted scratch marks all joined together
I wished there was a way I could hand you and others these bottles to look at in person. I could always send some to people so they could look at them in person, in do time I just may do this, I will include you if need be in getting one of them. I'm hoping others have this same issue in a way so they to can chime in soon.
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The Facebook conversation is here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/337394909634424/#!/groups/VAPORSLOUNGE/permalink/426707617349173/
It starts out good for the first several hundred comments, before the trolls start up...
It starts out good for the first several hundred comments, before the trolls start up...
Thanks AG................Trolls dont bother me in the least, there clueless anyways
These is a legit concern , i personally dont really care much because plastic in my hands is the best cause i tend drop everything lol but like others suggest it will be nice to offer the option whe allready pay overpriced juice !
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mwa, sorry for the delay in responding. Been rather involved with family health issues the last few days.
+10 for Pete54s list. I've not done much experimenting on this aspect of storage. I do know that PG and VG, and actually nic itself, will leach plasticizers from some plastics. That is the taste you get if you taste plastic. Plastic itself has not taste. My personal experience is that early on in my vaping, I had some squeeze bottles of premixed juices which over time did take on a plastic taste, and I stopped using those bottles. I have not tasted any plastic at all with my 3, 6 and 10 mL squeeze bottles from USPlastics, never had any issues and I have used some bottles for years without noticeable change. These are all cloudy softer plastic, however, so if they are more cloudy now I could not say. They are LDPE and are designed to hold liquids far more reactive than e-juice without reaction or leaching.
That said, I do only store long term in amber glass (SpecialtyBottles.com). For daily usage, the soft squeeze bottles I get from USPlastics should be fine, since they are designed for biological and chemical storage.
Nalgene® Dropper Bottles | U.S. Plastic Corp.
I cannot speak to bottles from vendors, without knowing exactly their source for them. Chances are they are LDPE, it seems the ones I mentioned earlier were something else which delivered a distinct plastic taste. Not had that with the ones I use now, or any cracking or obvious morphological changes.
The clearos I first bought a year ago or so did crack eventually, and I do not use cinnamon or clove, both of which will kill hard plastic...and yes, I would call it etching, since if you grind cloves in a hard-plastic-lidded coffee grinder, the oils will render the smooth surface very cloudy. Both of those oils are very corrosive. So I would guess the clearos cracking would have happened a lot quicker with clove or cinnamon juices. Don't ask me what I think of people that vape that stuff. The kind response would be "you are playing with chemical fire, and you are a fool". But I will not sidetrack this important thread with that lung and membrane chemistry...google it.
Oh, and a rubber dropper bulb may over time dissolve with contact with VG or PG. I think this because we used to use EG in dropper bottles for lab lube, and those rubber bulbs would eventually dissolve from it, and VG and PG are not much different chemically.
+10 for Pete54s list. I've not done much experimenting on this aspect of storage. I do know that PG and VG, and actually nic itself, will leach plasticizers from some plastics. That is the taste you get if you taste plastic. Plastic itself has not taste. My personal experience is that early on in my vaping, I had some squeeze bottles of premixed juices which over time did take on a plastic taste, and I stopped using those bottles. I have not tasted any plastic at all with my 3, 6 and 10 mL squeeze bottles from USPlastics, never had any issues and I have used some bottles for years without noticeable change. These are all cloudy softer plastic, however, so if they are more cloudy now I could not say. They are LDPE and are designed to hold liquids far more reactive than e-juice without reaction or leaching.
That said, I do only store long term in amber glass (SpecialtyBottles.com). For daily usage, the soft squeeze bottles I get from USPlastics should be fine, since they are designed for biological and chemical storage.
Nalgene® Dropper Bottles | U.S. Plastic Corp.
I cannot speak to bottles from vendors, without knowing exactly their source for them. Chances are they are LDPE, it seems the ones I mentioned earlier were something else which delivered a distinct plastic taste. Not had that with the ones I use now, or any cracking or obvious morphological changes.
The clearos I first bought a year ago or so did crack eventually, and I do not use cinnamon or clove, both of which will kill hard plastic...and yes, I would call it etching, since if you grind cloves in a hard-plastic-lidded coffee grinder, the oils will render the smooth surface very cloudy. Both of those oils are very corrosive. So I would guess the clearos cracking would have happened a lot quicker with clove or cinnamon juices. Don't ask me what I think of people that vape that stuff. The kind response would be "you are playing with chemical fire, and you are a fool". But I will not sidetrack this important thread with that lung and membrane chemistry...google it.
Oh, and a rubber dropper bulb may over time dissolve with contact with VG or PG. I think this because we used to use EG in dropper bottles for lab lube, and those rubber bulbs would eventually dissolve from it, and VG and PG are not much different chemically.
I'm curious Matt, what number is on the bottom of the plastic bottles you have that are showing sign's of degrading?
Kurt, been waiting on ya, thank you so much for posting and giving the information you have, greatly appreciated.
Pete54, Man all this time I never looked on the bottom of the bottles, ( pretty dumb ... move on my part ) but still, there is a triangle on the bottom of the bottles with a number 4 in the middle of it. The there is a bigger number which very's from bottle to bottle 58 on 3 of them,,,, 61 on 2 of them, 19 on 2 of them, but I would think the #4 in the middle of the triangle is the important one. They are also marked LDPE in small print.
Please let me know what the #4 stands for, I will also see if I can't look this up, either way I'm not using these bottles ever again, and still not using plastic. I've started doing some more testing with taking the same liquids that I made myself and stored in glass from the beginning and putting 2ml' in smaller glass bottles, and putting 2ml's in plastic bottles. Gonna store this for a week, 2 weeks 3 & 4 weeks, and taste each and see what I find. Not for nothing but even bottled water that gets the least bit on the warm side even room temp I can taste plastic in, so I'm sticking with Glass all the way as much as I can. Seems to me the PET bottles are also better then the LDPE & HDPE because of there harder plastic, so I'm using those where I have to.
Again a big thanks to Kurt and Pete54 for posting
Pete54, Man all this time I never looked on the bottom of the bottles, ( pretty dumb ... move on my part ) but still, there is a triangle on the bottom of the bottles with a number 4 in the middle of it. The there is a bigger number which very's from bottle to bottle 58 on 3 of them,,,, 61 on 2 of them, 19 on 2 of them, but I would think the #4 in the middle of the triangle is the important one. They are also marked LDPE in small print.
Please let me know what the #4 stands for, I will also see if I can't look this up, either way I'm not using these bottles ever again, and still not using plastic. I've started doing some more testing with taking the same liquids that I made myself and stored in glass from the beginning and putting 2ml' in smaller glass bottles, and putting 2ml's in plastic bottles. Gonna store this for a week, 2 weeks 3 & 4 weeks, and taste each and see what I find. Not for nothing but even bottled water that gets the least bit on the warm side even room temp I can taste plastic in, so I'm sticking with Glass all the way as much as I can. Seems to me the PET bottles are also better then the LDPE & HDPE because of there harder plastic, so I'm using those where I have to.
Again a big thanks to Kurt and Pete54 for posting
#4 just means LDPE which is the same number on my bottles. That is Low Density Polyethylene which is supposed to be safe. I'm not getting any distortion on my bottles. Might just be the juices I'm using which are all DIY.
Ya Pete, like I said earlier it doent happen with every juice, and if you know it's not going to happen with yours then ok I guess, but still just because there isnt a sign by eye doent mean its not happening. It's happen with about 4-5 flavors now with the 6 bottle I've noticed it in. With me being able to still taste plastic in bottled water though it makes me not want to vape from juice in plastic, and it seems to me my DIY has always tasted better in Glass, and even juice I buy in glass taste more pure then plastic bottled juice to me.
Thanks for the follow up Pete54
Thanks for the follow up Pete54
mwa,
Thanks for the warning. It is something I've never even considered. I just started a little DIY'ing with juice and have been using the plastic bottles from old purchases; meaning the already leaching bottles are getting a fresh supply of juice to leach into. I'll stop that right now.
Thanks again.
Thanks for the warning. It is something I've never even considered. I just started a little DIY'ing with juice and have been using the plastic bottles from old purchases; meaning the already leaching bottles are getting a fresh supply of juice to leach into. I'll stop that right now.
Thanks again.
I have bottles without numbers, which is part of the problem.
Vendors could be using anything without the uninformed knowing.
My glass bottles are ordered.
If the vendors don't feel the need to get on board, then I guess I don't have a choice.
Vendors could be using anything without the uninformed knowing.
My glass bottles are ordered.
If the vendors don't feel the need to get on board, then I guess I don't have a choice.
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