please- any thoughts?

[Laguna6866]

I am new to vaping. Oh, about 2 weeks. I love the concept of it but am having some problems. I have not yet quit analogs, so i know this is not a nicotine "withdrawal issue" It does not seem to matter weather i use VG or PG e-juice, but they both make me feel very "spacey, light headed" and at times my face gets very warm (like a flushing effect)

I have tried many reputable suppliers, and all have the same result. Soooo frustrating, as i want to quit analogs soooooo bad! They only e-juice I've yet to try is unflavored. Now, my 6 million dollar question is, could i be a rare individual who has this bad reaction to BOTH pg and vg?8-o Or could this be a reaction to the flavoring? Has anyone experienced these type symptoms with both types e-juice? Any feedback would be much appreciated!!! Thanks!

 

[NCC]

Question: What is the nic level of the juice you're using? The symptoms you describe could be OD symptoms.

 

[Kate S]

Sounds awful, I hope that doesn't happen to me. I look forward to seeing the responses to this post.

... what nic levels have you tried?

 

[Laguna6866]

Hi, When i first started 2 weeks ago, i used 24mg. That was WAY to strong. so i went to 18mg now at 16mg. However this even happens using a 12mg! I smoked full flavor menthols for 20 years-

 

[NCC]

Have you had the chance to try 0mg juice, just to rule out the possibility of OD? If you still have these symptoms without nicotine, the only possibility I can think of is that you're very sensitive to another component of the juice, that could even be the flavoring. I'm sure someone else will have some thoughts on it though.

 

[Laguna6866]

Have you had the chance to try 0mg juice, just to rule out the possibility of OD? If you still have these symptoms without nicotine, the only possibility I can think of is that you're very sensitive to another component of the juice, that could even be the flavoring. I'm sure someone else will have some thoughts on it though.

Good idea, guess it cant hurt. Thank you!

 

[StormFinch]

My question is, how much juice do you go through and how many analogs per day? Also, is the e-cig you are using a hard draw? I too am wondering about OD, but then again it might be from having to pull hard on the device In other words, it would be kind of like what you feel when trying to blow up a balloon as a long term smoker.

 

[Laguna6866]

My question is, how much juice do you go through and how many analogs per day? Also, is the e-cig you are using a hard draw? I too am wondering about OD, but then again it might be from having to pull hard on the device In other words, it would be kind of like what you feel when trying to blow up a balloon as a long term smoker.

Hey storm! i dont know for sure "how much" liquid a day, but not much. A filled carto will last me all day. Im using a nebula (kr808d1) its a manual battery. To be honest it doesnt seem like im having to pull all that hard, its fairly easy.

 

[Kate S]

Soooo frustrating, as i want to quit analogs soooooo bad!

Maybe that's it? The anxiety of quitting and the pressure of completely switching to vaping vs analogs? Every cigarette you avoid is a victory, even if it's just one or two here or there. Don't pressure yourself into thinking you will be 100% analog free.

The psychology/ physiology of smoking is very complex. For example, from reading the ECF i know that carbon monoxide sucks oxygen out of your blood giving you a light headed feeling that coincides with the nicotine rush from an analog. You start to confuse some of the ill effects with the nicotine.

 

[Solster]

A full cart is about 6-8 drops in my blu cigs and about 12-15 drops for my DSE901

if you want to try 0mg dont wast time ordering it fron a Vap shop on-line got to a
walmart or any local drug store and get glycerin but make sure it's USP glycerin.
if your not sure don't risk it. i got a 6 Oz bottle for about $3 at walmart and some
distilled water that was about $1.50 for a Gal. now you need to thin down the glycerin to match you mixed e-juice you have for mine i found that 15ml of glycerin and 5ml of
water was a good match to my e-juice.

also i found you can drip the glycerin directly on the atty but no more then one drop or it can clog the atty. had this happen to me and it took me a little time to get the atty
working again. it can tast like cotton candy but that is because glycerin is sweet and
has been listed as a sugar replacer on alot of health food website (found that out trying to figure out where to get USP glycerin) turn out Most glycerin you find in a drug store IS USP Its just thick. below is the address of the USP glycerin i got a walmart.

walmart.com/ip/Humco-Skin-Protectant-Glycerin-Usp-6-oz/10417582

if that helps and you find your self feeling better try to drop you mg's down on the
e-juice you have by adding the some of the glycerin to them and or cutting your
analogs out for each time you hit the e-cig.

just for Spits a grins lets say you were a pak a day smoker befor e-cigs and are still a pak a day with the e-cig and trying to work it down to NO pak a day

so if you analog Newports full flavor kings at the rate of 1 pak a day and e-cig at 12mg
one cart a day you get

nic tar co
1.2mg 16mg 16mg NEWPORT KING F HP (got this from newports website)
so thats 1.2mg per analog x20 = 24mg of nic aday in analogs and 12mg of nic from the
e-cig = 36mg of nic a day from 24mg of nic this WILL make you feel sick. you just added a 1/2 Pak a day to your habit.
so what i sugest is if you are a pak a day analoger and where befor the e-cig destroy one analog each time you use the e-cig and see if you feel better.

 

[CaptJay]

You COULD be sensitive to both PG and VG (everyone is unique after all) but I'd definitely check your nic levels first and foremost.
Too high nic for me gives me a woozy head, sometimes a headache and the runs (lol well it does). It doesn't always FEEL too high at first (I know now what my good levels are and how long, or short, to use the higher ones btw) but afterwrds I certainly do feel the effects.
Try reducing the nic level again to check.
If going to zero gives you NO relief check your cart filler. It might be something in that thats doing it.
If it DOES turn out youre sensitive to both PG and VG (and people are, as I said, sensitive to usually one or the other but both isn't impossible) you will have to look into DIY using PEG instead. I dont think there are many (none I personally know of) suppleirs using PEG atm.

 

[Laguna6866]

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR INPUT! MUCH APPRICIATED!!!

 

[Pisco Bandito]

I've been vaping for 3 months. I use Blu and Johnson Creek high 24mg. For the first 4 or 5 weeks I had no problems. I was also using Nicorette 2mg for the first 3 weeks. Then all of a sudden, one morning I started to have that flushed face sensation.

The issue for me is that it is completely inconsistent. One day I have the symptoms, the next day I don't. And within the same day I can have the symptoms after one drag, and then later that day take 20 drags and have no symptoms. Yesterday I had the flushed face, headache and headrush sensation for the first few hours of the day after taking just a few drags. Then last night I refilled my cart twice I was valing so much, and no symptoms.

I figured it must have to do with the nicotine, must be getting too much of it. So I ordered some light Johnson Creek- 11mg juice. No dice, still have the same problem, and still just as intermittent.

All I know is that it is extremely unpleasant, and it's making me worry. It's been 3 months since my last analog cigarette and I was only able to make it this far because of my e-cig. I don't know what I'm going to do if I can't vape anymore.

I feel like there has got to be something wierd going on. Why would it be so inconsistant? I have no idea what it could be though. I'm clearly overdosing on nicotine right at this very moment, and I've only taken 3 drags off of my blu filled with light juice. It's to the point where I'm about to go home sick from work. Wtf? Last night I must have taken 100 drags off the same thing and felt fine.

 

[CaptJay]

I've been vaping for 3 months. I use Blu and Johnson Creek high 24mg. For the first 4 or 5 weeks I had no problems. I was also using Nicorette 2mg for the first 3 weeks. Then all of a sudden, one morning I started to have that flushed face sensation.

The issue for me is that it is completely inconsistent. One day I have the symptoms, the next day I don't. And within the same day I can have the symptoms after one drag, and then later that day take 20 drags and have no symptoms. Yesterday I had the flushed face, headache and headrush sensation for the first few hours of the day after taking just a few drags. Then last night I refilled my cart twice I was valing so much, and no symptoms.

I figured it must have to do with the nicotine, must be getting too much of it. So I ordered some light Johnson Creek- 11mg juice. No dice, still have the same problem, and still just as intermittent.

All I know is that it is extremely unpleasant, and it's making me worry. It's been 3 months since my last analog cigarette and I was only able to make it this far because of my e-cig. I don't know what I'm going to do if I can't vape anymore.

I feel like there has got to be something wierd going on. Why would it be so inconsistant? I have no idea what it could be though. I'm clearly overdosing on nicotine right at this very moment, and I've only taken 3 drags off of my blu filled with light juice. It's to the point where I'm about to go home sick from work. Wtf? Last night I must have taken 100 drags off the same thing and felt fine.

It may not be a nic OD (you smoked without an issue after all, and used nicorette) - but its wise to eliminate that from your list.
Much more likely it would be a sensitivity to PG - the carrier medium.
Try a 0 mg liquid, make the same as the current liquid - same supplier, same medium (PG or VG or mixed) and same flavor. If it gives you the same symptoms you have eiminated nicotine as the culprit.
Next try the same liquid, stay with 0 nic, but use only PG or only VG - if you get symptoms you will have eliminated one of those carrier mediums. If its VG then you should stick with PG. Or vice versa.
If you find you are getting symptoms with both PG and VG at 0 nic then EITHER you are sensitive to both OR there is something in the FLAVORING you are reacting to. People forget that flavoring additives can also spark a sensitivity in some people.
Changing suppliers might also help - some suppliers use difffernt food base liquids. Id try a small sample size of their 0 (zero) nic lqiuids to start off with, to be on the safe side.
Its more likely you would have a PG sensitivity than one to nic, and there are lots of VG juice suppliers who can help you out with lovely liquids.
Try not to worry about it, as anxiety will increase your symptoms, and might drive you to smoke
Good luck.

 

[Pisco Bandito]

Thank for your response!

First, the reason I am associating this sensation with a nicotine overdose is that I had the exact same sensation when I was using Nicorette, if I chewed it too much instead of "parking it" according to the instructions. Also I once tried the patch, and had the same sensation. It feels like my eyelids are sweating.

Anyway. I have tried both PG and VG. I have both had and not had these symptoms with both. I have plain USP PG and plain USP VG without any nic or flavoring and I have tried both alone- neither produces any symptoms.

That being said, it seems that the only time I have had these symptoms from vaping has been while using Johnson Creek Smoke Juice (which I love). I have not experienced this at all with the standard Blu carts. I wonder if that has anything to do with it?

And here's a weird thought- I have never experienced these symptoms at night, or over the weekend. So far I have only experienced this while at work, during the week, and generally only in the morning up until the early afternoon. That could just be purely circumstantial, but I'm wondering if it is related to a build-up of nicotine (or something else) in my system? As I said, I vaped a ton last night, and had no symptoms, but then first thing this morning, I take one drag and have intense OD sensations almost immediately that last for hours. This has been the case each time I've had the symptoms.

I'm going to try some 0mg nic from JC and see if that eliminates the problem. I'll be bummed if not, because that will likely mean it is something in the JC juice that I am reacting to, and of all the juices I've tried, JC is the only one I've liked even a little.

 

[CaptJay]

yeah that would be annoying ifs just the one supplier - I hope the 0 nic experiment goes well though - you might be able to get thru with 0 nic juice and some nic patches if so - should handle cravings + hand/mouth habit at least. If you get symptoms with the 0 nic though, its something the supplier is using Try another one if so - I hope it works out for ya man.

 

[adamphetamine]

id say just try using lower nic level juice, when i started vaping i used 24mg and worked great with vg, but when i used pg i got massive headaches almost immediately so who knows, whenever i use vg if its over a certain percentage i get the same headaches, so atleast you dont get them