Please define 'Heavy Vaping'

[johnmc]

I recently tried a disposable ecig from a local gas station on a whim (with a quarter of the vapor I've seen in videos linked from this forum) and was still impressed at it's abillity to replace the desire for an analog.
The information here at first was overwhelming, but after a few days I have simply become considerably more educated - thanks for that! I am getting ready to order my first ecig (either the Joyce Ego or 510 - haven't decided)

Here is my question: I've read in several posts that many of you vape more than you smoked. I understand that. Then I read posts about how long an atty can last under different circumstances and have seen responses like "I vape heavy in the evening" or "I vape constantly at home". One person stated every 20 seconds. Does this mean every 20 second all evening - or during the time time frame they would regularly smoke. I know - everyone is different.

I smoke, on average, for about 10 min (two cigs in a row) every 2 - 2.5 hours (with the exception of my 4 in a row upon waking in the morning). Maybe a total of 50-70 min per day.

I expect to at least try to vape about that much. I never smoked in my house, and while an ecig will not stink up the place, I enjoy my 'private' time on the porch with the newpaper/ipad/book. I intend on keeping my vaping to the same set times I normally smoke.


Having said that - Would this be considered light vaping? I am looking into ecigs almost exlusively for the monetary savings in the long run - If I can eventually ween myself off of nicotine, great! I don't need a new hobby however. I can handle regular maitenance, but what I really want is to charge batteries at night, or place everything into a PC and simply take my reg smoke breaks at work and the 2 or 3 at night without ever having to stop and refill/charge anything during my day.

At the rate of smoking you've heard me describe, is this possible with only 2 Joyce 510's with say three batteries and a couple of extra atomizers on hand be enough to pull this off? Will I be refilling anything two or three times a day? I'm not picky, just super busy during my day job and at home also. I see a lot of vets that not only enjoy vaping, but the hobby side of it also, something I really dont have a lot of time for.

Thanks for any advice - the info I've disovered here so far has been absolutely great!

 

[Liv2Ski]

If you want small go w/510 standard penstyle. Some people just need to take this path. If I knew then what I know know I would have bought an eGo right out of the gate. You say you don't want a hobby but vaping for me and others has become exactly that. The eGo has the batt life to get you through the day. Two fully charged bats should do it for you. Sounds like Cartomizers would work for you to start out with. They can be filled w/20 drops and last far longer than carts or dripping. Gets some and a few bottles of juice you think you might like

The eGo will also give you options as you mature into the new "hobby". You will be able to use LR atty's & carts. Best of luck

 

[Bozzlite]

At the rate of smoking you've heard me describe, is this possible with only 2 Joyce 510's with say three batteries and a couple of extra atomizers on hand be enough to pull this off? Will I be refilling anything two or three times a day? I'm not picky, just super busy during my day job and at home also. I see a lot of vets that not only enjoy vaping, but the hobby side of it also, something I really dont have a lot of time for.

I think that would work for you. Sounds like you are a light smoker/light vaper. Each fully charged Joy 510 battery should last between 1 1/2 to two hours of actual vaping. Or, if you go with the Joy Ego, because of the larger battery, will last between 6 and 8 hours of actual use.

Either way, yes you will probably have to top off the carts 2 or 3 times a day. I am a heavy vaper and I refill my carts numerous times daily, at least every hour. And if I'm having a few beers its prolly more often than that.

There is also the option of Mega Carts and Mega attys for the ego, which might get you thru the entire day without refilling.
Or 510 cartomizers that hold more juice than a standard cartridge, but might be a little more difficult to refill.

I would recommend that if you are going with a 510 model, you might as well get the Ego from the start. Either way, spare atomizers are a necessity. You need more than just 2. And get some sample juices while you are at it, those prefilled carts won't last very long.

I purchased my Ego starter kit from Cignot.com. They have excellent customer service and I receive my stuff in about 5 business days. There are many good suppliers out there. Prices vary from supplier to supplier, but be sure to read what comes with the kit. That can vary slightly.

 

[CooL_SpoT]

Either the Joye 510 or the eGo should suit your needs very well. You'll get a lot of people recommending you get the eGo right away, and they're giving you that advice for good reason. Many people start with the 510, looking for a more cigarette-like set-up, then quickly get irritated with the short battery life of the 510 and upgrade to the eGo within a couple weeks. While it may seem like a waste to buy a new battery that quickly, going through this process does mean that you're more familiar with your own vaping habits, and your vaping needs when you go to upgrade later. Also it means you have redundant backups in case something catastrophic happens (and having backups for your backup is not a bad thing at all!).

The eGo battery (especially if you stick to your "Vape when I would normally smoke" plan) will definitely last you all day, if not longer. The 510 with a PCC (Personal Charging Case) will remove any concern of not having battery power throughout the day. It may also more closely simulate your smoking routine, as you'll still be pulling out a small box from you pocket, taking your "smoke" out of the box, etc.

As I said, you're very likely to hear a lot of people recommending you get the eGo right out of the gate, but I really feel there's nothing wrong with getting the 510 first as long as you're aware of what you're getting, and how to handle the drawbacks. If you want to get the 510, by all means, do so. It's a fantastic e-cig, but I would highly recommend getting a PCC with it, otherwise the limited battery life might get too irritating for you.

Keep in mind, the 510 and eGo's are not the only e-cigs out there, either. Judging by your concerns, it sounds like the KR808D-1 (commonly referred to as the KR8) might be a really good fit for you (you can find them at Vapor 4 Life). The KR8 is a two piece (battery & cartomizer) setup with a longer battery life than the 510, and others swear by the flavour it produces. I don't have any experience with them at all, so if you're interested, you'll have to pick someone else's brain. MistressNomad would be a fantastic one to talk to, as she's just about the foremost KR808 supporter on ECF (j/k ).

Good luck in your research, you've found the best place to find the info you need! And welcome to ECF.

 

[Bigmouth]

I started off with the 510 because of the size and ease of use, however IMHO if you are going to start with the 510 make sure you get the manual as 510 automatics don't seem to measure up. I started with the automatics and then quickly realized that this wasn't for me. I then decided that I wanted manual batts. Since then I have upgraded to the EGO and still occasionally use my 510 because of its size.

As far as atomizers and carts, I am more a cartomizer chickeeta....I prefer to have backups waiting and still have not mastered dripping after 3 months of use. Don't be surprised if your tastes change from day to day. Don't buy too much of the same liquid try a bit of what ever you think you may or even may not like. Many flavors that I thought no way have become my go to liquids.

 

[Springbird]

For "super busy during the day and at home" you might consider the eGo with the mega cartomizer. This combo has a long battery life and a long cartomizer life. Here is a link to a Cignot page with info on the mega cartomizer.
Cignot your Midwest Electronic Cigarette store.
This is my " go to work and be busy and then come home and be busy" solution.

 

[cskent]

Most of us vape way more than we smoked. An average vaper will go through around 3 ml/day of juice. Some report as high as 5 ml, others less than 2 ml. Nicotine does not seem to get into your system as easily through vaping as it does through smoking, that's one reason why people vape more than they smoked. Another reason, at least for me, is that I don't have the breathing problems I would have if I smoked more than I did. You can vape more and still breathe better. Some people simply like the flavor of vaping too, so it's kind of like eating dessert all day, but without the calories. You can tailor the mg level to your need for nicotine much easier with vaping. If you want to keep your vaping habit around the same as you smoked, try a little higher mg juice. It should satisfy quicker so you can vape for your 10 min and still get the nic you need.
If you want to keep the size of your PV small, get a 510 or KR808. Just keep in mind that you'll need multiple batteries, at least 3, and rotate them through the charger or PCC as needed. With an eGo or Mega eGo, one battery will probably take the place of 4 smaller batteries. The tradeoff is size, but they really aren't as big as you think. A Mega eGo is probably about the size of a 40 ring cigar, but tapers down at the cart end. I used 510's to start, but quickly tired of the constant battery charging. The Mega eGo fits my needs perfectly. But, it isn't for everyone so read all the opinions, do your research, and get what you think will fit your needs. Whatever you decide, it'll be a huge improvement over the disposable e-cig you tried.

 

[Krisb]

After reading through this forum, one thing I have noticed is that many who started with a small one wish they went bigger, and I haven't, personally, seen anyone who started bigger that wished they started smaller. There are good reasons for this. Regular cigarettes don't ever fail (except by running out!) but these are electronic...they can, and often do, fail (battery dies, carto dies, cart filler starts to taste bad...etc.).

I wish I had looked into a mod for my first...looking at them now. They are less cig shaped but the advantages are many. It is a hard decision and your first is never your last...don't stress about it too much. Welcome to vaping!

 

[PoliticallyIncorrect]

At the rate of smoking you've heard me describe, is this possible with only 2 Joyce 510's with say three batteries and a couple of extra atomizers on hand be enough to pull this off? Will I be refilling anything two or three times a day?

Yes and yes.

I did the 510 & multiple battery thing for awhile, made it work by keeping two chargers, one at work and the other at home. It wasn't objectionably inconvenient, although the batteries had a way of choosing inconvenient moments to die, like when I was out for walk & vape break. But it's doable; I did it.

As others have suggested, however, you'd do better to leapfrog the 510 onto an eGo/Riva/Hello type for a couple of reasons, the first being the obvious battery life advantage; as you describe them, I doubt your at-work vaping habits would exhaust a single fully-charged battery (particularly not one of the larger 900-1300mAh types now being sold).

Aside from, but still pertinent to the battery-capacity issue is the fact that the larger batteries will permit the use of LR attys, which you'll find to make a very significant difference in terms of vapor production and throat hit (otherwise, there's little to distinguish an eGo from a 510 in that regard).

One other consideration is that should you ever get into dripping--you should try it, at least--the cone feature of the eGo types will contain juice overflows, an inevitable part of dripping that can be a nasty handful with a 510 when there's no Kleenex handy.

Edit: Seems I've been pointing this out ad nauseum lately, but it's worth another re-tell: you can get a Riva kit for $29.99 here: http://www.liberty-flights.com/product.asp?id=55. That's less than you'd pay for a 510 kit, which makes the thing a no-brainer (at least in my brain).

The other yes is to the refilling issue; reports that cartridges are equivalent to a pack of cigarettes have been vastly overstated (they're more like 2 or 3 cigarettes). Even a single cartomizer isn't likely to get you through a day without refilling. It's the nature of the beast.

 

[JC Okie]

I second the suggestion (above) of getting the $29.99 Riva from liberty-flights. That's an insane price...cheaper than the Joye 510 kits.....and you'll get the battery life you need. I have two of them and I LOVE them. I use 510 cartomizers on mine and they are great.....super convenient set-up all around.

Once you get the equipment sorted out, then it's all about the juice. As your taste buds come back, your preferences of juice will change....so start with several small bottles of different juices until you fine tune what you like. Then, once you find a couple of favorites, buy the 30ml bottles. One 30ml bottle of juice could very well last you 2-3 weeks, depending on how you vape. (At what you say above about your intentions....I would think 2 weeks minimum.) At about $15.00 per 30ml bottle, you can see the savings over analogs for sure. There's a learning curve, so don't get discouraged. It's fun and WELL WORTH any hassles early on while you're learning. Good luck.

 

[Mr.Mad]

I think I vape pretty heavy.. I use a GGTS/AVS and vape a tank and half every 24hrs thats about 9ml I think.

So Heavy vaping in 24hrs I think would be 6ml or more in 24hrs.

 

[Sainted_S]

I agree that whichever you choose (I, like most, recommend the ego or the riva [Liberty Flights-not going to find a better deal currently, just picked up my first last night, the ego last week and started with the 510 Mega in August]) I think you will find cartomizers more to your liking. A simple fill of three in the morning should take you through the day easily. You can refill them as well, but they don't last nearly as long as an atty and cartridge.

 

[AmyB66]

I definately vape more than I smoked because a couple years back I quit smoking in the car, my job made it next to impossible to smoke much at all which left home-smoked more when I was home. Vaping, well....I vape in the car, I vape at work and I vape nonstop at home.

Started with a 510 kit, a deluxe model that had about four batts. I have a friend I hooked up with vaping, she went from three packs a day to 510, quit like that and hasn't looked back. She also is still happy with her 510. Myself, smoked just under a pack a day, the 510 was not enough for me to quit my cig habit. I still smoked cigs in the morning and one or two at beer thirty. I found myself frustrated with burnt carts and cleaning attys etc not to mention having my batts die every 20 minutes or so. I just wasn't getting what I needed in terms of a fix to totally quit.

A wise veteran sent me a PM and suggested I look into getting a chuck. Life changed after that along with the discovery of cartomizers. Got a 510 fitting on my chuck, used an adapter and 808 cartos at 3.7V. Quit the analogs one week after getting my chucks. Part due to the shear guilt as I added up all my costs. The chuck itself is reasonable but I bought the batts, the chargers, a buttload of cartos and I had what looked like a scientific lab when it came to all the different brands and flavors of juice.

Within a month I notched it up to 6 volt vaping (chucks allow you the two different voltage options all with a switch in the batteries) I also narrowed down my juice likes and went to 510 cartos which work great at 6V. 95% of the time I use just one juice and haven't looked back. Fast forward to month 7 of being totally cig free, I am one happy camper. It was worth all the expense and learning curves. I believe my mods and accessories are the easiest, fiddle free way to go. I put fresh batteries in daily but can pretty much get two days before a recharge. Life is good. Oh and I spend under 20 bucks a month now. Cartos, once you get the knack use less juice than a cart, I use mine for about two/three weeks before I pitch them and I get a month out of a 30ml bottle of juice. I figure that in a few months I'll be money ahead finally and I am looking forward to that one year mark of being smoke free. That will be the longest I've ever been smoke free since I started that nasty habit some 26 plus years ago.

 

[otrpu]

Heavy to me means all the time. How much juice do I vape? I don't know. How long do my batteries last? I don't know. So, since I don't know nothing. . .the only way it works for me is to be knee deep in everything. That way when it runs out, or wears out, burns out, or just plain breaks. . .I just grab another one. While your a thinkin 'bout what to do, order a RIVa, color? Your choice, from Liberty Flights. At the same time order, at least, one box C-E2 510 XL cartos from CoV or wherever. Get on their forums. . .one or the other, if not both, will throw in a sample or two of juice for you to try. When this stuff arrives, charge it up, load it up, and start vaping. Give whatever analogs you have left to some poor sucker you know that still smokes. But, tell them why you're able to do this. Now your vaping, and that's mostly what counts. You've got the rest of your longer life to figure out what it is you want to do. Read the danged forums 12 hours a day, buy all kinds of other fun, and totally unnecessary, crap you come across. But, you'll already have in hand, on hand, everything you need to quit smoking. Good Luck.

EDIT: Forgot, you'll need a hypo to fill those cartos.

Cheers,
otrpu

 

[ArcherFasting]

I have a Tornado, my first and had it for over a month now. I'm not a smoker but a bunch of my friends are and they switched to vaping. I tagged along just for the enjoyment of vaping.
It sounds like you have the right idea. As mentioned, 2 batteries will get you through with no problems. My only comment is on the Vaping not being a hobby. No matter what you will have to spend a good amount of time filling up, if you want to save money. You can buy pre-filled carts but I believe that will cost a lot more and defeat your purpose of vaping. Don't get me wrong, it won't be a real pain to fill your carts but you will need to dedicate some time to do so. you will learn A LOT on here as I have. it's a whole world in itself. You should also look into Dripping using drip tips.
Also, with most my friends switching to vaping rather than smoking, there was a lot of trials and testing in the initial period. You'll find what you like and stick to it evetually.

 

[Goldenkobold]

If you really wanted to go the smaller 510 route you can put together a good enough volcano magma set for cheap (the exact same style/battery as the joyce 510)
Volcano Fine Electronic Cigarette...home of the best eCig
I almost went that route and just decided to get the inferno instead.
Instead of ordering the whole "delux starter kit" you can order what you need from the accesories
one pcc carrier for recharge and to hold your carts/cartomizers 15
two batteries for 20 bucks (you could survive off of one with the pcc but...two is probably more realistic you could get one manual and one automatic to see which you preferred)
and a pack of cartomizers for 10
so 35-45 dollars...
the only other thing you would need is juice which you can get from wherever you wish (some people say volcano juice is good I have never had it...I did throw in a 3.99 prefilled just to try it out since I was paying for shipping anyway..and it was just as cheap as the blanks...so maybe I will have a better opinion when that arrives on their juice)

Oh and a usb cable for the pcc as the 15 dollar one doesn't come with one...if you are like me you have tons of usb cables already anyway.

with this you could fill your cartomizers stick up to 5 of them in the pcc and your battery and just go...the pcc should keep you charged throughout the day and I believe from what I am hearing 5 510 cartomizers will last all day (I know 2 kr808's last me all day and then some)

 

[deback]

Skip the Volcano (cheap quality, way overpriced) and go for an eGo (or Riva, which is the same thing, just a different brand). Liberty Flights has the cheapest kits, as stated above, and ship fast. Litecigusa.net and cignot.com also both have eGo kits and ship fast.

Check out cartomizers, too. They are easy to fill, hold more liquid, and are a lot less hassle than dripping onto an atomizer and into a cartridge.

If I had to do it again, I'd buy two 900mAh eGo or Riva batteries (Liberty Flights) (or 1000mAh eGo at cignot.com), an eGo fast charger (at either site), two boxes of Boge 510 cartomizers (litecigusa.net), and juice (freedomsmokeusa.com).

Note: The 1000mAh eGo batteries will last about 54% longer than the 650mAh batteries before needing to be recharged. Mine last 12 hours, if I vape constantly, and longer, if I don't vape constantly.

 

[Goldenkobold]

Skip the Volcano (cheap quality, way overpriced) and go for an eGo (or Riva, which is the same thing, just a different brand). Liberty Flights has the cheapest kits, as stated above, and ship fast. Litecigusa.net and cignot.com also both have eGo kits and ship fast.

Check out cartomizers, too. They are easy to fill, hold more liquid, and are a lot less hassle than dripping onto an atomizer and into a cartridge.

If I had to do it again, I'd buy two 900mAh eGo or Riva batteries (Liberty Flights) (or 1000mAh eGo at cignot.com), an eGo fast charger (at either site), two boxes of Boge 510 cartomizers (litecigusa.net), and juice (freedomsmokeusa.com).

Note: The 1000mAh eGo batteries will last about 54% longer than the 650mAh batteries before needing to be recharged. Mine last 12 hours, if I vape constantly, and longer, if I don't vape constantly.

how is a 11 dollar 510 battery, a 15 dollar pcc ,and a 10 dollar pack of R4 cartomizers overpriced?
Liberty-flights has 12 dollar batteries 10 dollar packs of R4's and no pcc to buy...seems to be exactly the same except you can't get a pcc.

 

[deback]

Well, go ahead and buy a Volcano, if you want. The quality is cheap and terrible, and they won't last long. None of the cheap 510 batteries will last long, and they'll need to be recharged very often (compared to an eGo or Riva).

 

[Goldenkobold]

Yes they will need to be charged more often than 1000mah battery
hence the recommendation for a pcc to help offset this.
I think the OP was clear where he was coming from, he wants an analog replacement..he clearly stated this and gave his usage and asked if a 510 battery would work (the smaller ones). I think it would work. I think a pcc is a better option than a third battery as it gives you a place to carry your cartomizers and battery and looks somewhat like a normal pack of smokes, albeit with buttons. I started out with a kr808 (smoketip) and it is fantastic as an analog replacement, definitely gets me through the day based on my old habits, I like being able to slip it into my pocket and running errands. He may not want a giant silver cigar looking unit yet. I didn't when I started...since then I realized I enjoy vaping a bit more than smoking and want a unit that can handle my at home chain vaping..so I have ordered the 510 mega battery kit. I also want to be able to try different juices without washing out a cartomizer so I got a driptip to go with it.

Don't get me wrong, Riva gets great reviews..so do the Tornado/eGo/Inferno 510 mega's but if someone wants to try out a smaller style it definitely can be done without breaking the bank. If 510 normal batteries don't last long, at least with volcano you get the warranty on the battery for a year. If you put together a 35-45 dollar set up and end up wanting a Riva, it will still be there...all the cartomizers/atomizers/juice work with both, and you will still have a functioning back up unit that can be used for places you don't want a larger sized unit.