Please don't give them an excuse!

[nightowl]

I can't see anything or anybody swallowing this stuff. I have gotten it on my hands before and it taste so bad anybody putting this in their mouth would spit it out immediately. I feel FDA and other regulatory agencies will eventually require them to have childproof caps and other safety precautions. I think we should go ahead and beat them to it. I would say a majority of 3 year olds cannot open a child proof cap. I mean I have enough trouble opening these. My oldest grandson who is 9 can open them but the younger ones cannot.

It's entirely possible that most 3 yr olds can't. And it would slow them down all I know is mine were 2 for 2 with the styles I had in the house. I gave them time to try cuz I drip and thought maybe I could put my little bottle with the eyedropper lid in a med bottle with childproof lid, no such luck. So it has to stay in my pocket better to risk leaking on me than them thinking it smells good and taking a swig.

 

[nightowl]

Oh and I did call her out on it and educated her on the risks. I kinda felt at fault since I introduced her to vaping, and honestly the danger is not noted on the bottle so for people who don't spend hours a day on the forum (which proves they have issues anyway) I can see where u might be inclined to treat the juice the way u used to analogs and just toss em whereever.

 

[Kate51]

Gosh, remember when people used to slap a kid's hand for digging in an ashtray!! UGH! EEEW, get outta there, that's dirty! (kid looks at you like you might be lying, you touch them!)

 

[Belhade]

Wiping nicotine on clothes is a no-no? I've been doing that all day today (cleaning out and re-filling some carts) but these are the same clothes I've gotten gasoline and oil on from working on my chainsaw.

And this thread reminds me of that episode of C.S.I. where the Miniature Killer poisoned that woman by putting liquid nicotine in her sherry...

 

[bestthingever]

Wiping nicotine on clothes is a no-no? I've been doing that all day today (cleaning out and re-filling some carts) but these are the same clothes I've gotten gasoline and oil on from working on my chainsaw.

I do it too ! I really don't see how small amounts could hurt. (I'm talking a few drops here).

 

[nightowl]

oops double post

 

[nightowl]

Vaultz pencil cases aren't too much (5 1/2" H X 8 1/4" W
X 2 1/2" D), come in decorative colors
and they have locks: Vaultz - Lock It Up I had someone on another thread let me know about these. They look like a great idea. Have bigger ones meant for art supples that are cool too.

 

[Keebler]

40-60mg is the lethal dose for humans on contact.
Vendors here (and everywhere) have PG/VG with 100+mg for sale! Many have it in large quantities. ARE YOU BEGGING for this crap to be outlawed?

~blah blah~

So that 15 year old who gets beat up at school decides he'll take that Visa-Gift-Card someone gave him from Christmas to buy a ton of high-concentration nicotine, throw it in a spray bottle, and run around squirting everyone around the school in the eyes with it. Ohhh yah that'll be great for the vaping world.

Yes, that idea scares the hell out of me and thanks for giving people that idea by the way
Anyone who is creative enough to come up with that idea can get lethal chemicals anywhere that will have the same effect of worse. Strychnine from rat poison is even more available and can be used to the same end. Are we worried about the FDA yanking boric acid from the pesticide shelves at home depot? There are hundreds of chemicals available over the counter, and by simple fact of ease of obtaining would be used first.

I keep my juice in the fridge and intend on getting a childproof container to keep it in before my kids find it. Especially now that the idea is in my head. Nicotine absorbs readily through the skin, so the OP absolutely has the right idea. Keep the kids safe.

Is there a medicine box for the fridge marketed anywhere? Maybe somebody can post some ideas.

 

[Keebler]

I can't see anything or anybody swallowing this stuff. I have gotten it on my hands before and it taste so bad anybody putting this in their mouth would spit it out immediately. I feel FDA and other regulatory agencies will eventually require them to have childproof caps and other safety precautions. I think we should go ahead and beat them to it. I would say a majority of 3 year olds cannot open a child proof cap. I mean I have enough trouble opening these. My oldest grandson who is 9 can open them but the younger ones cannot.

My older son (now 8) opened a cough syrup bottle in less than a minute and chugged it when he was 2. He used his teeth, which is what toddlers do when presented with that situation. When he was 5 he went into the bathroom, got a bottle of Flexeril from the top shelf of the medicine cabinet and snuck it into his room. Luckily we checked in on him and found the empty bottle. 8-o Don't for a minute assume that a determined toddler cannot get into a childproof bottle. He was in the ER all night and I spent the next week defending myself as a responsible parent.

 

[Karl the heretiK]

Gee, and if we can get smokers to start locking up their cigs and lighters, the world could rejoice in its' safeness...

Seriously, folks... I understand the need for safety with e-juice, but how many kids have burned down houses with matches and lighters their smoking parents left lying around... it sickens me how vapers have to jump thru hoops but smokers get a safety pass in the eyes of the public...

Whew! Glad I got that off my chest...

Carry on...

 

[Keebler]

Gee, and if we can get smokers to start locking up their cigs and lighters, the world could rejoice in its' safeness...

Seriously, folks... I understand the need for safety with e-juice, but how many kids have burned down houses with matches and lighters their smoking parents left lying around... it sickens me how vapers have to jump thru hoops but smokers get a safety pass in the eyes of the public...

Whew! Glad I got that off my chest...

Carry on...

Good point, but.... the vaping community does not have a multibillion dollar conglomerate buying off politicians, and big tobacco is scared of us. Don't forget that the recent close call regarding the FDA was sparked by a press release from who? The tobacco companies.

I kept my lighters locked up and cigs out of reach, too. I will never again underestimate the stupidity of a determined child If my kids don't make it to adulthood, I am determined that I will not be the reason.

 

[optsmk]

So that 15 year old who gets beat up at school decides he'll take that Visa-Gift-Card someone gave him from Christmas to buy a ton of high-concentration nicotine, throw it in a spray bottle, and run around squirting everyone around the school in the eyes with it. Ohhh yah that'll be great for the vaping world.

OMG, did you do this when you were 15???

 

[nightowl]

I don't have a med box specifically designed for fridge and don't refrigerate my juice. But meds that need refrigerated I keep in a small toolbox that has a padlock this works for me. I'm sure a cashbox as mentioned by someone earlier would work as well and take up less room.

 

[River]

This is a topic that people just cannot get beaten over the head with enough.

If you vape keep your supplies secure, if you go to your friends house and theirs are not then chew them out about it.

Were there to be some sort of child or animal tragedy in my house I would feel guilty the rest of my life.

The problem we all face is that when the tragedy does occur and you can bet your bottom dollar it's on the way it won't be one of us but just a new or average user that will never take the time to hang out in a place like this to see any of our messages.

All we can do keep our fingers crossed and try to control what we have control over which is ourselves, our friends and our families.

 

[CoffeeFairy]

OH! And for the question about whether or not poison control will know what's in the juices...don't tell them that the little one (or adult for that matter, in some cases - I am a full-time caretaker for my mother who is in the first stages of dementia and you'd be shocked at some of the things she's already gotten into without thinking. I dread what things are going to be like in the later stages at times.)...ok back on topic....don't tell them that whomever you're calling about was exposed to "e-juice" or "electronic cigarette juice" or whatever nicknames we use for it, tell them that they were exposed to liquid nicotine in a PG/VG (whichever it is or both) solution and it would be a good idea to have handy the mg concentration as well as give them an idea of how much they were exposed to. I added that information to my "emergency list" that I keep by the phone so that I won't have to go chasing around looking or try to remember in an emergency situation.

My children are older (10 and 13 for the ones at home) but I do have pets (keep the info handy for emergency vet info, too, just in case) and, of course, my mother to think of. Most tackle boxes that you can pick up cheap from WalMart come with a little spot to slip a lock onto and those have come in handy bigtime around here!

 

[Mosin]

Small handgun safes with a digital combination and spring loaded door can be had for ~$60 at a sporting goods discounter like Sportsmans Guide or Cheaperthandirt. Thus, kids and pets can't get in without a crowbar, but you can within seconds by tapping your selected combination. For safety reasons I implore my friends/colleagues who have guns in the house to buy these (whether they have kids or not) hence why I'm suggesting them here.

 

[Haytoni]

My juice has child proof caps, I am older than dirt, and can't get them off, bet a child can. Good idea, everyone, be vigilant.8-o

 

[nightowl]

My juice has child proof caps, I am older than dirt, and can't get them off, bet a child can. Good idea, everyone, be vigilant.8-o

So true, remember the child proof lighters? We always called 'em adult proof. Most kids could get them to work easier than me.

 

[kalekona]

I have no young children in my house but I have 2 cats and a dog and I have a little sterilite box that locks closed that I use to hold any and all trash connected with vaping- anything that can possibly have nicotine on it goes in that box to be disposed of later- but until then I know that one of the animals isn't going to get in the trash and poison themselves.

 

[curiousJan]

Are you sure you posted the correct link? All that brought up was a short paragraph about nicotine injected rats and said nothing about the toxic levels in humans.

I fail to see the relevance as (with a few exceptions) rats have little in common with humans. Not to mention, this nicotine was directly injected into the blood stream as opposed to a few drops accidently spilled on the skin.

Am I missing something here?

From cursory research, the quoted figure is someone's estimation of the approximate lethal dose for a human adult. Actually the numbers that I found from cdc.gov were .5-1mg/kg. And it's not lethal on contact ... it is readily absorbed through the skin, but all of that 40-60mg of nicotine would need to be _absorbed_ to be fatal ... just getting it on your skin does not necessarily mean that it is absorbed ... unless of course you just watch it ooze on your arm rather than cleaning it off!

Jan