Please don't give them an excuse!

[nightowl]

Please please please parents, grandparents, anyone who has children visit the house use care in how you store your liquids. I have 2 3 yr. olds that I babysit so I personally keep my e liquids in a lock box just like I do meds, but I walked into a friends house to find her 36 mg peach juice sitting on the coffee table with a toddler in the house. Please remember the government is just looking for an excuse, all it'll take is one child getting seriously ill or God forbid dying from a nic od from juice for them to scream see we told you and ban it.

 

[nightowl]

wow, just realized how cold hearted that came acrossed. of course my first concern is the kids safety. It's just one accident could affect us all.

 

[techtony]

That's crazy! God forbid anything happens, then the gov't will label us the same as cr@k heads that do it around their kids.

 

[Shortstuff116]

It's something that had to be said and should be said. The first thought that would come to someones mind is "That's just plain common sense" not to leave any dangerous chemicals where anyone, not just toddlers, can get their hands on it. BUT it seems in this day and age that common sense is about gone out the window.

Put ALL e-juice and ingredients thereof out of the reach of children and pets. The OP (Original Poster) is absolutely right in the fact that it would be a terrible blow to the vaping community to have just one incident of accidental poisoning at any level whether it be to human or animal because of carelessness in the storage of our PV liquids.

Glad you posted this and hopefully it will remind a few of us to keep our liquids safe from little hands.

 

[Poeia]

The lack of common sense some people have is frightening. Does she keep pans of water on the floor so the kid can stand in them when he's examining the electrical outlets? Part of child proofing a home is making sure that a child does not have access to dangerous substances (even if the kid climbs on a chair.)

My parrots watch me "playing" with this thing and they are definitely interested in grabbing it to check it out. I don't have to worry about them opening boxes, but I use an alcohol wipe on any surface I was using when I filled a cart before I let them near it. (And wash my hands with soap.)

Anyway, a good solution is a locking "cash box." They have a tray designed for coins that would be perfect for bottles. And you can get one for under $15 (Staples, Amazon, etc.)

 

[Milano]

This is a relatively good place to put my comments I made in an earlier post in this sub-section of the forums.


40-60mg is the lethal dose for humans on contact.
Vendors here (and everywhere) have PG/VG with 100+mg for sale! Many have it in large quantities. ARE YOU BEGGING for this crap to be outlawed?

And I know you should be 18 to purchase. And purchasing on the internet means you used a credit card, and you're 18, right? Hopefully at least 17.

OK?

So that 15 year old who gets beat up at school decides he'll take that Visa-Gift-Card someone gave him from Christmas to buy a ton of high-concentration nicotine, throw it in a spray bottle, and run around squirting everyone around the school in the eyes with it. Ohhh yah that'll be great for the vaping world.

 

[Connman]

Yikes now I`m getting frightened. There is to many sick people out there you know. I keep wanting to give examples on what could happen but don`t want to born any ideas for any sick people out there.

The lock box idea for keeping it away from small hands is a good one. But now how do we keep it away from the sick people. 8-o

This is a relatively good place to put my comments I made in an earlier post in this sub-section of the forums.


40-60mg is the lethal dose for humans on contact.
Vendors here (and everywhere) have PG/VG with 100+mg for sale! Many have it in large quantities. ARE YOU BEGGING for this crap to be outlawed?

And I know you should be 18 to purchase. And purchasing on the internet means you used a credit card, and you're 18, right? Hopefully at least 17.

OK?

So that 15 year old who gets beat up at school decides he'll take that Visa-Gift-Card someone gave him from Christmas to buy a ton of high-concentration nicotine, throw it in a spray bottle, and run around squirting everyone around the school in the eyes with it. Ohhh yah that'll be great for the vaping world.

 

[ctourtelot]

This is a relatively good place to put my comments I made in an earlier post in this sub-section of the forums.


40-60mg is the lethal dose for humans on contact.
Vendors here (and everywhere) have PG/VG with 100+mg for sale! Many have it in large quantities. ARE YOU BEGGING for this crap to be outlawed?

And I know you should be 18 to purchase. And purchasing on the internet means you used a credit card, and you're 18, right? Hopefully at least 17.

OK?

So that 15 year old who gets beat up at school decides he'll take that Visa-Gift-Card someone gave him from Christmas to buy a ton of high-concentration nicotine, throw it in a spray bottle, and run around squirting everyone around the school in the eyes with it. Ohhh yah that'll be great for the vaping world.

Can you show where you got those mg figures from? I work with both 48mg and 60mg solutions and have not only gotten them on my hands, but spilled them all over my arm and down onto my leg. Other than being a bit light headed for a few minutes (after the spill), I haven't had any ill effects from contact with the liquid.

 

[ApOsTle51]

The OP (Original Poster) is absolutely right in the fact that it would be a terrible blow to the vaping community to have just one incident of accidental poisoning at any level whether it be to human or animal because of carelessness in the storage of our PV liquids.

a report of this happening has already been posted on this forum somewhere. A members pet dog died because it chewed up a bottle of e-liquid..sad case and a hard lesson.

 

[martha1014]

IMO all eliquid should have child proof caps on them. I think eventually it will be required anyway. All other medications and chemical are required to have child proof caps with warning on them. We may as well go ahead and do this.

 

[Jayhawks]

IMO all eliquid should have child proof caps on them. I think eventually it will be required anyway. All other medications and chemical are required to have child proof caps with warning on them. We may as well go ahead and do this.

CP caps are a must. And for those selling the high mg liquids and not using CP caps are just leaving themselves wide open. Someone will make a comment how they hate CP and that its the adults that should be responsible. I agree that adults should be responsible, but I still feel all liquid should come CP because things happen no matter how responsible you try to be..

It only takes one instance and days of vaping could be changed forever.. FDA would just love this to happen to add bit to their case.. Come On Suppliers.

 

[nightowl]

Child proof caps are useless. Both of the three year olds I watch can open at least 2 of the styles of child proof caps that come on medicine bottles. The companies should still take the precaution but it's really ultimately up to us. And my friend I mentioned that was so careless with her liquid is not a dumb person and has childproofed her house. She was just treating it the way she used to analogs the difference never occured to her.

 

[Poeia]

So that 15 year old who gets beat up at school decides he'll take that Visa-Gift-Card someone gave him from Christmas to buy a ton of high-concentration nicotine, throw it in a spray bottle, and run around squirting everyone around the school in the eyes with it. Ohhh yah that'll be great for the vaping world.

He can do the same thing with drain cleaner or bleach for a fraction of the cost and without waiting for it to arrive in the mail.

I don't want childproof containers. At some point I'll have a problem opening one of the bottles and end up spilling it all over myself. There is zero chance that a child will have access to my liquid. But I do think every supplier should offer childproofing for those not in my situation.

 

[Milano]

Can you show where you got those mg figures from? I work with both 48mg and 60mg solutions and have not only gotten them on my hands, but spilled them all over my arm and down onto my leg. Other than being a bit light headed for a few minutes (after the spill), I haven't had any ill effects from contact with the liquid.

Effects of aging on acute toxicity of nicotine in ... [Pharmacol Toxicol. 1994] - PubMed result

 

[ctourtelot]

Effects of aging on acute toxicity of nicotine in ... [Pharmacol Toxicol. 1994] - PubMed result

Are you sure you posted the correct link? All that brought up was a short paragraph about nicotine injected rats and said nothing about the toxic levels in humans.

I fail to see the relevance as (with a few exceptions) rats have little in common with humans. Not to mention, this nicotine was directly injected into the blood stream as opposed to a few drops accidently spilled on the skin.

Am I missing something here?

 

[Raven1]

This begs a question - is it safe to vape around pets? I have a budgie and so far I've tried not to vape in the same room the bird is. I know tobacco smoke is very dangerous around birds, but vapour?

 

[Kate51]

Absolutely, Nightowl, call out your friend about this, it's just ignorant and dangerous. But, all users know this, it's equally dangerous to animals as well as kids or grownups as well who may be tempted to take a good swallow, even though it's horrible tasting.
A few here have seen a puppy die. I would also not be vaping close to any pet or a baby, for example, they shouldn't be exposed to vapor contact. PG dissipates very quickly, VG is a little more slow to dissipate. I don't see any residue build-up of vapor on my computer screen, for an example, or in the car, but care should be given about vaping close to anyone or thing that doesn't use nicotine.
Users should also wash thoroughly if you get it on your fingers, watch what you contaminate, and don't wipe it on your clothes, either! A note to ctourtelot Nicotine can be absorbed through the skin! A little education to those around you who should know that you are using nicotine liquid is a GOOD thing!

 

[bestthingever]

This begs a question - is it safe to vape around pets? I have a budgie and so far I've tried not to vape in the same room the bird is. I know tobacco smoke is very dangerous around birds, but vapour?

I have pet birds too, and I've also had this concern. All I know is, a bird's respiratory system is very sensitive; I've been telling myself that my vapeing is better for them than when I used to smoke analogs, but I have no way of really knowing that of course.

Someone started a similar post elsewhere on this forum, and it leads me to ask this question: Is there anything that could be kept on hand to use on a pet in an emergency ? I realize that prevention is the way to go, but if you caught a pet or a child with an e-juice bottle in their mouth, would the poison control center know what the ingredients were ?

 

[martha1014]

I can't see anything or anybody swallowing this stuff. I have gotten it on my hands before and it taste so bad anybody putting this in their mouth would spit it out immediately. I feel FDA and other regulatory agencies will eventually require them to have childproof caps and other safety precautions. I think we should go ahead and beat them to it. I would say a majority of 3 year olds cannot open a child proof cap. I mean I have enough trouble opening these. My oldest grandson who is 9 can open them but the younger ones cannot.

 

[mn shutterbug]

Are you sure you posted the correct link? All that brought up was a short paragraph about nicotine injected rats and said nothing about the toxic levels in humans.

I know quite a few people that I'd classify more as rats than human beings.