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Long story short Ive been smoking since I was 13 years old (almost 30 now). I have just about every bad symptom you have heard of (wheezing during a deep breath, hard hacking with phlem all day and night...god forbid I step into a steamy bathroom, I almost throw up I cough so hard, days where I can actually feel my lungs moving and my ribs hurting, etc) I also have a very long term girlfriend (we have been together since we were kids) and she hates the smell of smoke and constantly reminds me of how much I smoke. The problem is, I like smoking. I like the taste (I have read enough to know you guys will think I am crazy for saying that lol) I love the feeling of the smoke rolling down my throat, filling my lungs, and then that soothing satisfying exhale. Beyond being horribly addicted to the actual nicotine and because I have smoked more than half my life, I also associate everything I do with smoking which is why, even with gum/patches, I cant quit. I drive smoking, I go to the bathroom smoking. I know how long I have been on break at work by how many cigs I smoke (2 cigs lit from each other is a 15 minute break, a cig, a sandwich and 2 more cigs is a 30 minute lunch) I play video games with a lit cig between my fingers, I watch TV with a cig... its endless. That is going to be one of the big problems for me. Breaking the association I have with EVERYTHING and smoking. With a PV perhaps that will be a bit easier than without anything except nicotine

Right now I roll my own cigs and am smoking around 2 packs a day. Some days a little more, some days a lot more. I finish off a pound of tobacco in roughly 16 days. If I do buy a pack, I smoke Newport 100's but because they are so "mellow" I end up polishing off the pack in 2 or 3 hours. The tobacco I buy (Called The Good Stuff pipe tobacco) is a very rough smoke. I then use Tops menthol papers. Depending on my mood, I rip the filter off for a more satisfying harsher puff. Here is another issue though. I buy the tobacco online for 13 dollars a pound (no tax) in bulk, and a carton of papers is roughly 3 dollars from a local smoke shop. In total, I am spending around 40-50 dollars a month smoking. I really cant spend much more than that on a reoccurring basis (I do know the first "set up hit" is going to be much more than that, but 30 days down the road, I cant be spending more than 40-50 dollars to keep puffing a month)

Now that we have the background out of the way, Ill move on to the present. Over the last week I have bought 2 disposable e-cigs. An Encore menthol and a Blu menthol disposable. The Encore was pretty mellow, but if I puffed hard and long, sort of like a deep draw from a hooka I could get a semi satisfying feeling. The taste was kind of nice, a mint, not an actual menthol taste. Toward the end, the best way I can describe it would be... the smoke tasted like how electronics smell when they burn out. My girl said my exhale went from a mint air freshener to what she described as a battery burning. I do know though that this was most likely due to either, the disposable being "dead" or because I was taking such frequent deep puffs, I burned it out. However in a sign of hope, during my 15-18 hours with it, I smoked around 1 pack of actual cigs which was a first in probably 5 years.

The Blu however... I didnt puff more than 20 times before it got thrown away. First the vapor is so light it felt like I was smoking an ultra light Virginia Slim. It had zero feeling going down my throat, nothing in my lungs, etc. If I puffed hard and long like on the Encore, I instantly started hacking. Couldnt even inhale it all, just hard coughing. At first I thought I grabbed a normal tobacco Blu, but it was menthol. The smoke, when I could inhale it, always had this chemical acid-y taste to it with a faint undertone of...coffee?

Now, like I said Ive been doing plenty of reading on these forums. I feel like I have an ok basis for what I want and what I dont. I also have tons of stuff I just dont understand, and some terms I dont quite get, but thats for other posts. Lots of learning left for me :)

I am pretty sure I want a variable voltage battery. I know I want a clearomizer for ease of frequent fill-ups. On the note of the clearomizer, I am not too worried about the "lack of full flavor" when compared to something like an atomizer because while I dont know what "dripping" is, I do know that sounds like something I dont want to be doing every hour, or trying to do in the cold, outside, on a 15 minute break at work. I have also heard you guys talk highly about ViVi Nova tanks (which I am pretty sure are Clearomizers?) and while I dont want to go insane with the budget (trying to keep the actual vape piece around 100 before juices) I do want quality (or at least as much as I can get in my budget range)

On this note, I have come across this kit (2 Ego twist VV batteries with 2 ViVi Nova tanks, and 5 extra heads)

eGo-C Twist w/ CE5 Ultimate Starter Kit

Big question #1... Ohms. What do they mean? Do I want the 1.8 Ohm tanks, or do I want the 2.8 Ohm tanks? And why... what exactly do the Ohms mean for a Vape? I have a vague memory of Ohms testing car electricity looking for a short circuit but that was years ago, and even if I did remember, I doubt that would apply here.

Second question... With this kit, basically all I need for say, the foreseeable future would be a never ending supply of a tasty juice? Im not missing anything vital except a passthrough? (which I will be buying for sure though I cant seem to find one on that site for the Twist's... and now that I think about that, I would lose the VV functionality of the Twist while using a pass through wouldnt I?)

Would something like this work with the ViVi tanks?

Mini eGo Variable Voltage Passthrough - MyFreedomSmokes.com

Im sure there will be lots of more questions to be asked as the thread develops but this, just like my theory to life at this moment is, 1 step at a time :) and above all else, thank you in advance for those who respond
 

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Long story short...

Really?

You defintitely want a variable voltage device.

Ohms is what is used to measure the resistance of the coils. The higher the resistance the more power is needed to heat them to produce vapor. I personally vape at around 8,5 watts -> Voltage*Voltage / ohms = watts. The Ego C Twists go to 4.8 volts max. If you would use a 2.8ohm atomizer you could get 8.2 watts max. If you use a 1.8ohm atomizer you need around 3.9 volts to get 8.5 watts. So using 1.8ohm or 2.4 ohm on your Twist will give you a wider bandwith to try. I believe the lower resistance will die out sooner than the higher resistance.

The Twist batteries do die out after a certain amount of charges. So you would eventually need to buy those again. The atty heads also die out so you also need to rebuy those.
 

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Check out the visions 1300 mah spinner, with vaping at 3.5 to 3.8 I only have to charge the batteries about every 36 hours.
Im not heavy vaper tho. The higher the mah the longer the battery lasts before having to charge. And they really arnt an arm and leg to buy. I believe you get 200 to 250 charges off a spinner.

Smoktech 510 UDCT Locking 5ml Dual Coil Tank (UDCT)

the smoktech 510 udct has a locking bottom, and you use prepunched carts in them.

Smok Tech XL 1.7ohm (Single Coil) SS - (3 Box Deal)
these are the carts we use in the tank.



Vapeonly 3.5ml electronic cigarette Tank Clearomizer
this is the next one im going to try its in the mail right now to me, its brand new and is a bottom feeder.

There are many types of clearos and cartos and tanks. I think most of us have experimented with different ones to find what works just right. Just like juice that is part of the fun of it is find that jsut right juice.
 
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The burnt taste and the electronic taste/smell was the cartomiser overheating more than likely. I would suggest a vivi (about $10-13) personally I think they are the easiest tank system to deal with they have good longevity easy to rebuild (either replace the head or re recoil it) the rest of it unless you break it needs nothing more than washing with water every so often.
As far as a mod if size isn't a issue I would suggest a vamo it's still about the best vv for the money (about $40-50) 4 18350s ($6-8 each) and a charger ($10-15)
I would also suggest a high pg like 70/30 I a 35 year 2PAD cowboy killer (exsmoker) (I love saying that) vape 70/30 18mg started at 24mg @5v with a 3.2 ohm head. Lots of vapor and throat hit.

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Hi PharmTechGuy! Welcome to the forum, and HUGE congrats on the big switch:thumbs:! Your back-story's just like mine (2 PAD, ages 12-30, mainly hand-rolled -UGH). You've really done your research, and have found great starting-points. I did find that I needed more of a punch, as a heavy smoker, and found the Vamo could provide that. It's really a nice price for what you get, I think. I'm not gonna link, cause you can shop around for the best deal of the moment. Of course, then, I also saved my pennies for a long while to get a Reo VV Grand Reos Mods... something to consider if you can find the scratch. I prefer Kanger T3s and carto-tanks to the vivi nova, but the latter has plenty of fans. Come back with any questions, as we're all eager to help with this pretty major transition. Try a variety of heating-elements, and have fun:toast:!!
 

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Hi, I like your intro, fits me to a tee even the kind of tobacco your rolling (heck I smoked 2 just reading/responding to your post)

Like you I am jumping into this vapor thing and also think the Variable volt set up and a passthru for when at the computer are going to be needed for long term success. However instead of going for the pricey kit right away I ordered 2 ego starter packs (2 Chargers2 650 mAh Ego Battery 4 CE4 Clearomizers) I also grabbed a vivi nova tank to try and ordered 140ml of various juice flavors/%mixes/Mg to test out. For about 75 bucks this should allow me to get my feet wet without getting soaked.
My wife is going along on this ride with me; she may want a mini or could like a twist/spinner perhaps a vamo or larger. If we do this right all of those will make it into our tool box someday but first steps first for us.
I grew up in a village near you and would suggest you see what shops are offering in your area, for back up supplies when the mail box stays empty too long. I now live in a city (less populated than my High school was) and we don’t Haaavee that.
As for Gear the recommendation here are top rate all I can add is check Vaporjoes.com for a possible sales link and book mark every link folks here offer.
As for Vari volt stick size I am looking at the easy to read vision spinner or eGo-V v2 MEGA 1200mah PassThrough as possibility’s so I am eager to hear what folks suggest.
Best of luck, I am off to camp the mail box.
 

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I'd go to Madvapes or Hoosier Ecigs and order some Dekang DK-TAB or Red USA Mix for starters and try them. Both are good juices with sufficient throat hit to satisfy most full flavor smokers. If you like a nutty or slightly sweet tobacco taste, try RY-4. Start with 24mg (nic level) juice and adjust from there. What you are asking for is called throat hit. It's the sensation of the vape passing through your throat, similar to the sensation you get when inhaling tobacco smoke. The nic level is what satisfies the nicotine craving.
 

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PharmTechDude said:
Big question #1... Ohms. What do they mean?

For a variable voltage device, an resistance rating of 3.0 ohm will provide the widest range of voltages from 3.7v to 5v. (see below article with chart)

There's is a guy who created the Safe Vaping Power Chart who wrote the following article concerning ohms, resistance ratings, voltage and wattage. Give it a read for perhaps a basic understanding on what ohm will work best for the voltage range you will be using. The actual chart is down the page and is a spreadsheet with ohms on the left and voltages at the top. Stay in the green zone for happy vaping. :D

Guide to Safe Vaping - E-Cigarette Safety | Ecig Advanced Community Blog


I made a picture dictionary for a crash course in the more common juice delivery devices here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/cartomizers/343294-proper-terminology-carto-tank-what-lol.html#post7562212

PharmTechDude said:
Second question... With this kit...?

Clearomizers are kind of hit or miss in quality. They are recommended for a beginner because they are easy to fill and use. However, they sometimes cause "dry hits", probably because the string wicks have not been kept wet. Learn to swirl your device, or dip the top horizontal, to insure the wicks stay wet with juice, especially when the juice level gets low.

And some will begin leaking for no reason at all.

A clearomizer's heating coil, or atomizer head, will eventually stop working. Many of the higher grade clearomizers can now have their heads replaced (called "rebuildable) and are available where the clearomizer was purchased. Expect a clearomizer's head to last anywhere from 2-4 weeks.

Also, there are certain flavors that are known to be "clearo crackers" or "clearo killers". Some of the cinnamon and citrus flavors can crack or melt the clear polycarbonate plastic in clearomizers, or leach chemicals into the juice during degradation. A list of these flavors is here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tanks/219179-lets-make-list-juices-flavors-crack-tanks-ce2s-clearos-33.html#post8158663

The eGo batteries are designed to last for up to 250 charges, so eventually those will need to be replaced. Always have at least two batteries. One to vape while the other charges. And these batteries can just die for no reason. We like to say here, have backups for your backups. Don't be caught empty-handed with no charged batteries or e-liquid; you don't want any reason to go back to the smokes once you have quit.

At some point, after gaining some experience, you may want to look into getting cartotanks. These allow carefree, all-day vaping from a single delivery device. There's a slight learning curve to using these, so give the clearos a go first.

You will not find an e-juice flavor that tastes like a cigarette. However, since you smoke a menthol, a recommended flavor to start out with might be an Ice Menthol flavor. I smoked Marlboro Menthols, and that is what got me off of the smokes. Over 2 ppd, I'd recommend 24 mg nicotine strength in your e-liquids.
 
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It was mentioned earlier that the ego twist may not go into a high voltage range. To elaborate on that a little I would recommend something like a vamo as well. By the sounds of your backstory you smoke A LOT! A low resistance atomizer is going to burn out pretty quickly if you vape as much as you smoke so you'll probably want to go with standard or even high resistance so they will last longer. When you go into a higher resistance you can run higher voltage to the atomizer as well. On a standard res cartomizer I typically vape in the 5-6 volt range to get that harder throat hit. (Marlboro reds are like smoking air to me now.)

I was a menthol smoker, but with vaping I like a juice called Boba's Bounty from avejuice.com that I recommend trying. It's got great throat hit, vapor, and flavor. (Just a suggestion on a juice to try out.) There is also a juice from vapor trails called 'thug' that has just a light menthol to it that you may like as well. Good luck with your switch.
 

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As far as a mod if size isn't a issue I would suggest a vamo it's still about the best vv for the money

I am starting to notice a trend here with people suggesting the VAMO instead of an Ego Twist. Im not overly sure how I feel about that. The original reason I decided on the Twist was because of a RipTrippers Youtube video where he recommended it fairly highly, even above his much more powerful LavaTube. My only reservation with the VAMO is the replaceable batteries. I know you guys love your battery wars and it might be approaching urban legend status, but exploding rechargeable batteries 4 inches away from my teeth kind of make me nervous. If my Ego explodes, at least I have a large name-brand company to sue for my facial reconstruction bills :p I will however keep the VAMO in mind over the next day or 2. I am most likely going to place an order for my kit around Friday so both you guys and I have another day or 2 to discuss all this :)

I prefer Kanger T3s and carto-tanks to the vivi nova, but the latter has plenty of fans.

Can I ask why you like the Kanger T3's more than the ViVi Nova tanks? I actually found the T3's first as they had the most, and highest rating on the site I was shopping. The reason I ended up changing my mind and going with the Nova tanks was mostly because of what people were saying on the forums and in a general way, seemed to regard the Nova's as one of the best clearo available.

One last thing, the T3's are not rebuildable like the ViVi Novas are correct? If the Nova head dies, I can replace the head, but if the T3 burns out, I just throw it away and buy another one. Is that all correct?

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Clearomizers are kind of hit or miss in quality. They are recommended for a beginner because they are easy to fill and use. However, they sometimes cause "dry hits", probably because the string wicks have not been kept wet. Learn to swirl your device, or dip the top horizontal, to insure the wicks stay wet with juice, especially when the juice level gets low.

And some will begin leaking for no reason at all.

A clearomizer's heating coil, or atomizer head, will eventually stop working. Many of the higher grade clearomizers can now have their heads replaced (called "rebuildable) and are available where the clearomizer was purchased. Expect a clearomizer's head to last anywhere from 2-4 weeks.

Also, there are certain flavors that are known to be "clearo crackers" or "clearo killers". Some of the cinnamon and citrus flavors can crack or melt the clear polycarbonate plastic in clearomizers, or leach chemicals into the juice during degradation. A list of these flavors is here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tanks/219179-lets-make-list-juices-flavors-crack-tanks-ce2s-clearos-33.html#post8158663

The eGo batteries are designed to last for up to 250 charges, so eventually those will need to be replaced. Always have at least two batteries. One to vape while the other charges. And these batteries can just die for no reason. We like to say here, have backups for your backups. Don't be caught empty-handed with no charged batteries or e-liquid; you don't want any reason to go back to the smokes once you have quit.

At some point, after gaining some experience, you may want to look into getting cartotanks. These allow carefree, all-day vaping from a single delivery device. There's a slight learning curve to using these, so give the clearos a go first.

Lots to say here. First, thank you for replying to my post. You seem to be a bit of a legend around here from my short stay. I actually found and read a bunch of your posts before I even signed up for the forums. Just a few quick questions here. Also thank you for that Ohm chart. That really helps.

1. The Ego-C Twist outputs 3.2-4.8 volts. If I am reading things right, setting it to max 4.8 volts and using a 2.8 Ohm head would give me roughly 8.2 watts of puffing power... which seems to be plenty. Am I wrong here? I dont understand why a lot of people say the Ego Twist is not powerful enough, when from everything I am seeing, it provides more than enough power to get into that 8 volt range without dipping into the danger zone of high amps.

2. On the note of the "clearo crackers" I really like being able to see the juice level with the clear ViVi Novas but they also offer stainless steel versions. Would these possibly be a better option then to avoid any possible cracking or leaching? Or does the stainless steel versions come with their own set of special problems (as with everything in life, there is almost ALWAYS a trade-off somewhere)

3. As for Carto-Tanks. What is their main "attraction"? It doesnt seem to be "harder" to use the pre-punched cartos but the main drawback for me was that most of them say you need to replace the carto in the tank every 3-4 tank refills, and at a price of 2ish dollars each, and expecting to refill my tank 2-3 times a day, I could foreseeably be going through a carto a day and spending 60 dollars a month on nothing more than pre-punched cartos.

Do they give a betting draw? Do they provide a better taste fullness? (similar to how atomizers are described)
 
Sorry for the double post, but thank you again to everyone offering advice, ideas, and kind words. It is really very helpful. While I wont say Vapping is a difficult world to understand, it can be overwhelming at times due to all the options. Choosing parts, features, and building my first PV is starting to remind me of the first computer I built. Lots of research, lots of collaborative talking back and forth, but also lots of fun with an underlying sense of excitement :)
 

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Hi and welcome! I'm skimming the posts, it's hard for me to read online sometimes. Let's see:

I use Twists and like the 7-8.whatever watt range, so I tend to pick-up 1.7 to 2.5 ohms (or so) cartos - whatever is on sale. [ETA: I go for the lower range mostly so I can use my regular eGos when I go out]

Personally, I think a Twist is a great place to start. It's not very expensive, you can put any 510 device on it, and as you get more into vaping you will have more advanced PVs to research and look forward to.

I am a big fan of carto tanks. I have (and use) clearos and vivi mini novas, but I find tanks much more consistent. I also like cinnamon-based liquids, so my tanks are glass and polypropylene. I have glass from IBTanked and polypro from Valley View Vapes (who also sells pyrex tanks). I was looking for a small clearo size tank to test juices and I found these puppies (I had seen them on the SmokTek site, but not at this price): 510 SCT-V2 3.5ml Tank I just ordered some today and can't wait to try them!

You can't go wrong with Baditude's advice, btw.

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3. As for Carto-Tanks. What is their main "attraction"? It doesnt seem to be "harder" to use the pre-punched cartos but the main drawback for me was that most of them say you need to replace the carto in the tank every 3-4 tank refills, and at a price of 2ish dollars each, and expecting to refill my tank 2-3 times a day, I could foreseeably be going through a carto a day and spending 60 dollars a month on nothing more than pre-punched cartos.

I should have added that I, and I think many people, have a few devices filled with different flavors that they rotate during the day. Unless you are using a very small tank, and it is the only one you use, it's unlikely you will be filling it up 2-3 times a day. I chain-vape and go through roughly 4mls a day on average, so my 5ml tanks last quite awhile (I rotate 4 of them). I have had some crappy cartos lately, but even those have lasted at least 2 days.
 

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Lots to say here. First, thank you for replying to my post. You seem to be a bit of a legend around here from my short stay. I actually found and read a bunch of your posts before I even signed up for the forums. Just a few quick questions here. Also thank you for that Ohm chart. That really helps.

3. As for Carto-Tanks. What is their main "attraction"? It doesnt seem to be "harder" to use the pre-punched cartos but the main drawback for me was that most of them say you need to replace the carto in the tank every 3-4 tank refills, and at a price of 2ish dollars each, and expecting to refill my tank 2-3 times a day, I could foreseeably be going through a carto a day and spending 60 dollars a month on nothing more than pre-punched cartos.

Do they give a betting draw? Do they provide a better taste fullness? (similar to how atomizers are described)

In all fairness, I will only comment on the cartotanks, as I use them exclusively. I used clearomizers way back when I began vaping, but no longer do. I recently bought a couple of Kanger T3's just to try, but I neglected to get a 510-eGo adaptor necessary for their use on my mods. I also tried a couple of Smoktech Titan clearotanks (a vivi nova clone), and found that they couldn't match the flavor of my cartotanks, so I have given them away to new vapors.

Cartotanks work best for me in delivering the best flavor. The heating coils are bathed in juice by the large surface area of the polyfill in the cartomizers. In a clearo, it has only a small surface area of 2-4 string wicks delivering the juice to the heating coils. Hense, a clearo is not going to be able to provide as much juice/flavor as a cartomizer can. That is my rationale, and I'm sticking to it. :laugh:

I prefer pyrex tanks over the polycarbonate tubed tanks for obvious reasons. I don't have to worry about what flavors that I put in them that might crack the plastic. Pyrex is an inert material, which means it will not affect the flavor of the juice by imparting a plastic or metal taste to the juice, as some people describe plastic or metal tanks can. Plus, pyrex is clear and I can easily see my juice. Polypropylene plastic is safe to use with the volatile flavors, but it is frosted, and of course you can't see the juice in a metal tank.

I use at least 9-10 pyrex tanks at a time, each with their own flavor. Most of these tanks have a 3 ml capacity, and by using multiple tanks like I do, I only need to refill them about once or twice a week. I get 4-6 tankfulls from each cartomizer, so I don't find that I am going through a lot of cartomizers.

I never learned to drip, so I can't compare the taste to dripping.

tankcase1.jpg Cartotank case that can hold 8 tanks.

You can see my setup by clicking on the link in my sig.
 
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