Please, no bias - ideas on how the gov't can help

[obsidianchao]

Look, as vapers, none of us want this FDA BS to continue, but the FDA could have some valuable input.

For one, online sales - it's difficult to allow online sales yet restrict sales from minors. Maybe a solution could be provided.

Taxation, as well. The gov't loses money on smokers switching to e-cigs due to the lack of baccytax. Now, nobody likes taxes, but maye if a proper budget was imposed, it could be valuable.

Any other ideas on how politicians can compromise with us? They aren't jst going to leave it alone; we all know that.

 

[steved5600]

Historically the FDA has a spotted record protecting us. Not their fault as much as the folks in Washington made their funding dependent on the folks they are suppose to be overseeing. So they have a selfish interest in making sure the Companies they oversee are healthy so they have a very hard job. They have a dilemma. I don't think the would get what we pay for in taxes. Also If the Gov was really there to protect us from ourselves they would want tobacco taxes/tobacco to go away. If they really want tobacco use to go away. Some in the Gov may want to protect but far to many are only concerned with the money. I was not a big Fan of Regan in the end but he did say one thing that I agreed with that "More Government is not the solution". They need to do what they are already suppose to be doing better. Remember just because the Gov passes a law against Gravity that does not mean we will all float the day the law goes into effect. LOL
I do agree that the Nicotine needs to be kept out of the hands of minors though. To believe self regulation will accomplish that is giving to much credit to humanity. Money will always influence some folks. Some sort of ID check should be implemented besides an Birthday check as most minors can do the math. LOL. But no matter some will get ahold of of it as I did when I wanted to buy Alcohol as an 18 year old.
I have no faith the Gov can balance the budget. Nobody will bust them for writing a hot check. Reality bites.
One last thing with out exception when a rule/law/policy is adopted the will at some point they will abuse it. Just like with the Rico act and the Homeland defense after 911.

 

[vapero]

for the online sales there should be a affiliate age verification site or group in which you pay a initial membership (in order for them to verify it) and the liquid vendors should run your info against that database, well that's my two cents

edit: man that's a great idea!

 

[ngeepro15]

for the online sales there should be a affiliate age verification site or group in which you pay a initial membership (in order for them to verify it) and the liquid vendors should run your info against that database, well that's my two cents

edit: man that's a great idea!

Maybe something like linking your drivers license number to your account for that online store and a verification process as well.

 

[Whosback]

I also agree for online sales one of the age verification system that the government and venders can agree upon. Make it a requirement of venders who deal online, it will protect the good venders who police themselves from the much harsher restrictions that will result from the scum who would sell to anybody. If it makes juice cost a bit more so be it, I would rather pay a bit more now then see my favorite venders vanish later.

Also make ingredient listing a requirement. I don't see what anyone has to lose by putting a list on my bottle of what's in it. I know venders who do this already

The only real think to keep in mind with any of this is. Those who have the money control the law. If BT will benifit from a 200% tax on e-cigs expect law makers to try. They used the tax system to eliminate smaller competition before and they will do it again. I am all for working with the government. Just make sure you pay close attention who the government is working for.

 

[ardelleg]

Let the parents of the minors be responsible, somebody must have provided them with the plastic to make the purchase......

And I really don't think that revenue enhancement is a good reason for the government to be involved. They haven't done a good job with the money they already get from me.

 

[Absintheur]

How could they help?

1. Conduct honest and unbiased studies on the subject
2. Stop taking money from big pharm and tobacco
3. Discuss the subject with organizations like CASAA and AEMSA
4. Stop trying to control free people

 

[obsidianchao]

How could they help?

1. Conduct honest and unbiased studies on the subject
2. Stop taking money from big pharm and tobacco
3. Discuss the subject with organizations like CASAA and AEMSA
4. Stop trying to control free people

1. Both sides need to do this, to be honest; that said, I've seen both sides improving, as well.

2. Never gonna happen, but I wish.

3. Hopefully! CASAA works quite hard at this.

4. Chaos is all that comes without order.

 

[steved5600]

One additional comment is the loss of taxes on tobacco should not be a concern the tax on tobacco was implemented to induce people to quit smoking. So if we then make Vaping as expensive as tobacco then some of the incentive will be lost.

 

[FogHawg]

I can't believe that ppl actually want even more govmt intervention into our personal lives. It isn't the govmts place to raise our kids & teach em right from wrong, it's the parents responsibility. Besides, what has the govmt touched that they haven't totally screwed up? And some ppl want more? Wow.

 

[FogHawg]

And to feel like we're responsible for tax money lost because we quit smoking is downright ludicrious. How do ppl think like that? Amazing!!

 

[SilentScreams]

Look, as vapers, none of us want this FDA BS to continue, but the FDA could have some valuable input.

For one, online sales - it's difficult to allow online sales yet restrict sales from minors. Maybe a solution could be provided.

Taxation, as well. The gov't loses money on smokers switching to e-cigs due to the lack of baccytax. Now, nobody likes taxes, but maye if a proper budget was imposed, it could be valuable.

Any other ideas on how politicians can compromise with us? They aren't jst going to leave it alone; we all know that.

The FDA is not in it for us. They are looking at the bottom line, how much money they can shove in their pocket and who will pay it.

Online sales require a CC. Any child online that manages to get through and purchase something had to get that plastic from somewhere.

Taxation? You make it sound as if we should be sorry that we aren't paying those taxes we paid as smokers.

The FDA is not out to protect us. They are out to protect their own pockets.

 

[obsidianchao]

The FDA exists to protect people and their pockets, honestly. Depends on the situation.

But we both know we aren't getting out of this without a scratch. Compromises will need to be made.

 

[FogHawg]

More restrictions & new taxes. Somehow that doesn't sound much like 'compromise' to me.

 

[obsidianchao]

More restrictions & new taxes. Somehow that doesn't sound much like 'compromise' to me.

But we can try to make it less restricted than the FDA would gladly make it.

 

[Iffy]

Please, no bias - ideas on how the gov't can help

"No bias"? Pleeeassse remove da rose tinted glasses!

There are two basic types of folk here. Those that have benefited, or will benefit, from vaping and turd stirrers! Where is da room for no 'bias'?!?!?

Thus far, those that may have had no bias and have conducted true vaping research, have been biased toward vaping as a result. See, there is no comparison when it comes down to smoking vs. vaping!

As a vaper, the most valuable FDA input would be no input at all; at least until true scientific studies have been conducted. Keep in mind that you're talkin' 'bout the same FDA that doesn't do scat 'bout cigs or HRT anymore!

As always, follow da money...

Just keep the gov outta my gas, fish and vaping tanks!!!


Oh wait... I do have one suggestion. For every new law, statue, regulation and mandate, remove two of da ol' ones!!!

 

[DuckysBooBoo]

The scariest words ever spoken, "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help."8-o

 

[SupplyDaddy]

After seeing what the FDA will allow in your canned corn.. I don't want them touching e-juice...

Defect Levels Handbook

 

[FogHawg]

Monsanto. Nuff said.

 

[Orobas]

For one, online sales - it's difficult to allow online sales yet restrict sales from minors. Maybe a solution could be provided.

The FDA approves things like chantix, which randomly causes suicidal tenancies. Most kids don't have credit cards. I had a plain old ATM card until I turned 18. No visa logo.

for the online sales there should be a affiliate age verification site or group in which you pay a initial membership (in order for them to verify it) and the liquid vendors should run your info against that database, well that's my two cents

There's already age verification services in existence. And most of them, like Aristotle, are notorious for selling your information to interested parties. No thanks, I don't want a random mercenary company keeping my information in a database. They aren't even that effective. SecondLife instituted age verification a few years ago, and I age verified using Elvis Presley's information.

Not worth it.

Here's an idea... people should like, raise their kids or something? Yanno, pay attention to them, and how they spend their time and money? Radical idea, i know.