Regulating Internet Sales

[Uncle Willie]

If ecig industry cannot self regulate internet sales leading to restriction of sales to minors, a point that I find many vapers agree with, it becomes an issue that is begging for more government involvement. And the type of involvement where 'banning such sales' seemingly makes 'perfect sense' as a solution.

The same requirements for most if not all on line wine / liquor purchases can easliy be used for nicotine related shipments .. an adult over the age of 21 must sign for the package or it won't be delivered .. although a handful of states prohibit shipping of spirits ..

 

[Uncle Willie]

That actually works out to a comparable price to wizard labs, though with the quantity i intend to get in one fell swoop I'd get free shipping from there, too.

Is there a code or something for this 20% off? since it may boil down to "whose taking orders when i'm ready to place one"

The last time I checked, and it's been a while, the code was NIC20 I believe .. although you should be able to search EFC if that ones not right .. RTS and Wizard quality is equal, IMO .. also, myfreedomsmokes.com ships already in an amber glass bottle, which makes it ready to freeze, whereas RTS and Wizard ships in a plastic bottle which requires rebottling into glass .. myfreedomsmokes.com is price comparable as well ..

I'd tend to believe. with demand as high as it currently is and the ferver here on ECF, the closer we get to the "date" the harder a coupon code or for that matter, even the product priced as it is now, will be to obtain .. just my opinion ..

 

[Jman8]

The same requirements for most if not all on line wine / liquor purchases can easliy be used for nicotine related shipments .. an adult over the age of 21 must sign for the package or it won't be delivered .. although a handful of states prohibit shipping of spirits ..

Signing for the package would be one, I think good, way of (self) regulating. Not sure if industry can bring that about and so might have to be something that comes from government. But I would think industry might be advocating for this when realizing that banning (by some states) is in the works.

 

[Uncle Willie]

Signing for the package would be one, I think good, way of (self) regulating. Not sure if industry can bring that about and so might have to be something that comes from government. But I would think industry might be advocating for this when realizing that banning (by some states) is in the works.

The signature is just one way .. there are several web related age verification methods / businesses / .. it's really a non-issue, IMO ..

 

[budynbuick]

Smaller government? How exactly would you acheive that aspiration though?

Conservatives pass just as many restrictions on freedom, and regulations, if not, realistically, alot more more than liberals.

We have a conservative government here in new zealand ATM. I have never seen so many regulations passed in my life. We have the food bill, the natural medicines bill, welfare reforms, the new drugs bill, tobacco laws. Our tobacco tax has been raised to the highest in the world, lol. It feels like every aspect of our lives will be regulated. I am just waiting for the reproductive bill, lol...

The only people that really beleive in smaller government and more freedom are the social liberals - like the extreme left, and extreme right, people like libertarians who nobody ever votes for, and have no chance of getting in with a two party system

(at least here in new zealand we have proportional respesentation, so smaller parties can grow their support base over time, in the US, your basically stuck with two flavours of suck)

"Smaller government" - thats usually some ironic rhetoric that usually comes from social/moral conservatives who are economic conservatives also, who have more of a firm ideological position in terms of restricting our freedoms than even the equally sucky middle left does. :/ In reality its short for - we will interfere even more in your lives, create even more laws, just much less so for the market and our rich buddies, and also well spend less money helping people.

It's an impossible dream, smaller government, unless we can get either the far right, or far left, or both, into power, those who actually believe in social freedom and liberty.

Far right,far left,middle left,middle right,economic conservatives,social/moral conservatives,proportional representation,libertarians,social liberals,Conservatives,liberals,We have conservative government here in new zealand ATM. LOL . They are all just different tentacles of the same octopus. Remember, poli-tic means many blood sucking creatures. Remember,a parasite (by nature) will not,yay,cannot, do what's right for the host. I believe most poli-TIC-ians are psychopaths which explains all the suffering they cause. It is astounding to me that some believe one particular political persuasion is better then the others when all of them are heading us in the same direction. The only thing that changes are the feces.

 

[Orobas]

The last time I checked, and it's been a while, the code was NIC20 I believe .. although you should be able to search EFC if that ones not right .. RTS and Wizard quality is equal, IMO .. also, myfreedomsmokes.com ships already in an amber glass bottle, which makes it ready to freeze, whereas RTS and Wizard ships in a plastic bottle which requires rebottling into glass .. myfreedomsmokes.com is price comparable as well ..

I'd tend to believe. with demand as high as it currently is and the ferver here on ECF, the closer we get to the "date" the harder a coupon code or for that matter, even the product priced as it is now, will be to obtain .. just my opinion ..

Thanks for the pro tips, man. Will keep it all bookmarked and fill a few shopping carts to compare and poke at once my paydate approaches.

 

[Jman8]

The signature is just one way .. there are several web related age verification methods / businesses / .. it's really a non-issue, IMO ..

Would it be less of a non-issue for you if FDA came forth with deeming regulation to ban internet sales of eLiquid and/or eCig products?
Not saying they will, just wondering.

I've not once signed for my eCig products and I'm 11 years old.
Just kidding. I'm 14.
Kidding again, I'm .... over 40.
Still, no age verification measures on my orders from time I placed the order to time I received it.

 

[Aras]

This is an interesting topic. I just really hope we don't need to go to a drug store to get eliquid. It will destroy our variety of juice and just offer the 1% yet another chance to get fatter. Saying this, I'm not 100% against regulation. I believe inspecting facilities where nicotine is extracted and juice is mixed would be a good thing although it would drive ejuice prices up considerably. Time will tell.

 

[DigitalDoom]

I haven't read this entire thread so I apologize if this is repeat.

The whole age verification argument is a non-issue since online sales are performed via credit card. Credit card is the age verification standard for most everything bought online. It's the method required by law so there's no need for anything further when it comes to online sales of e-cigarettes.

I hate when people use the 'someone can buy 40,000 bullets...' comparison. Freedom is freedom! It's completely hypocritical to ask for the freedom to purchase e-cigarettes but ask for restrictions on bullets...or anything else for that matter! I know it's meant as an innocent comparison and not meant to cause conflict, but it's something I feel very strongly about.

If you want to make comparisons, let's compare using online alcohol sales...after all, the amount of alcohol related deaths each year far outnumber firearm related deaths. Still, there is very little standing in the way of children buying alcohol online. Or pornography...which is easily accessible by minors...not to mention 100% FREE! The point is that there are plenty of things readily available to minors online with no regulation at all and no age verification requirements. If a credit card is acceptable verification for everything else sold online then why should anything more be needed for e-cigarettes?

Assuming the real issue is protecting our children (and not tobacco profits)....which we all know is 100% crap!

 

[jimmyh]

They can also go after the products the way they did to shut down Indian internet sales by ban the shipping of products. I would not put nothing past our government.

 

[DigitalDoom]

Far right,far left,middle left,middle right,economic conservatives,social/moral conservatives,proportional representation,libertarians,social liberals,Conservatives,liberals,We have conservative government here in new zealand ATM. LOL . They are all just different tentacles of the same octopus. Remember, poli-tic means many blood sucking creatures. Remember,a parasite (by nature) will not,yay,cannot, do what's right for the host. I believe most poli-TIC-ians are psychopaths which explains all the suffering they cause. It is astounding to me that some believe one particular political persuasion is better then the others when all of them are heading us in the same direction. The only thing that changes are the feces.

Amen!!
It's unbelievable to me how anyone can hold loyalty to any political party in this country (USA). Every politician alive is in the back pocket of one or another corporation which has no interest in anything but increasing their profits!

 

[Uncle Willie]

Would it be less of a non-issue for you if FDA came forth with deeming regulation to ban internet sales of eLiquid and/or eCig products?
Not saying they will, just wondering.

I've not once signed for my eCig products and I'm 11 years old.
Just kidding. I'm 14.
Kidding again, I'm .... over 40.
Still, no age verification measures on my orders from time I placed the order to time I received it.

I'm really not following your post .. ?? My previous discussion had to do with age verification methods .. not the FDA .. and how it relates to underage mail order issues ..

Frankly, I'm quite tired of hearing about the FDA and what they have NOT even done yet ..

 

[Uncle Willie]

I haven't read this entire thread so I apologize if this is repeat.

The whole age verification argument is a non-issue since online sales are performed via credit card. Credit card is the age verification standard for most everything bought online. It's the method required by law so there's no need for anything further when it comes to online sales of e-cigarettes.

I hate when people use the 'someone can buy 40,000 bullets...' comparison. Freedom is freedom! It's completely hypocritical to ask for the freedom to purchase e-cigarettes but ask for restrictions on bullets...or anything else for that matter! I know it's meant as an innocent comparison and not meant to cause conflict, but it's something I feel very strongly about.

If you want to make comparisons, let's compare using online alcohol sales...after all, the amount of alcohol related deaths each year far outnumber firearm related deaths. Still, there is very little standing in the way of children buying alcohol online. Or pornography...which is easily accessible by minors...not to mention 100% FREE! The point is that there are plenty of things readily available to minors online with no regulation at all and no age verification requirements. If a credit card is acceptable verification for everything else sold online then why should anything more be needed for e-cigarettes?

Assuming the real issue is protecting our children (and not tobacco profits)....which we all know is 100% crap!

You forget debt / cash cards .. and age verification is very much being implemented throughout the Web .. in fact, within the next 12 months you're going to see it roll out in a major way .. there are at least half a dozen companies competing for the tech ..

 

[Jman8]

I'm really not following your post .. ?? My previous discussion had to do with age verification methods .. not the FDA .. and how it relates to underage mail order issues ..

Frankly, I'm quite tired of hearing about the FDA and what they have NOT even done yet ..

Thread is about self regulating the industry on this particular point. Industry has nothing in place right now to prevent, even a little bit, online sales to minors. Perhaps some vendors do, so not sure it is fair to say entire industry.

If tired hearing about FDA, why the message to stockpile in post #19? Is there a concern with supply/market coming up?

 

[Uncle Willie]

Thread is about self regulating the industry on this particular point. Industry has nothing in place right now to prevent, even a little bit, online sales to minors. Perhaps some vendors do, so not sure it is fair to say entire industry.

If tired hearing about FDA, why the message to stockpile in post #19? Is there a concern with supply/market coming up?

I said I was tired of hearing about the FDA, not that I was ignoring what may of may not take place .. and age verification is a part of self regulating the industry .. that's the point ..

 

[Jman8]

I said I was tired of hearing about the FDA, not that I was ignoring what may of may not take place .. and age verification is a part of self regulating the industry .. that's the point ..

Well, now I'm not following your point. Are you saying measures are currently in place, by the industry, to overcome the age verification issue? I know previously you said it is a non-issue, but just trying to understand better. Are there vendors (in eCig land) that have measures in place? If yes, I'm curious if you have a link for that, as I just haven't seen that, but really haven't seen all that many vendors.

Btw, I too one of these days may stop ignoring what may not take place. Thus far, I haven't seen any need.

 

[Uncle Willie]

Well, now I'm not following your point. Are you saying measures are currently in place, by the industry, to overcome the age verification issue? I know previously you said it is a non-issue, but just trying to understand better. Are there vendors (in eCig land) that have measures in place? If yes, I'm curious if you have a link for that, as I just haven't seen that, but really haven't seen all that many vendors.

Btw, I too one of these days may stop ignoring what may not take place. Thus far, I haven't seen any need.

It's a general discussion .. no need for passive aggressive

Read the thread, then I'm hoping you'll understand .. if not, oh well ..

 

[DaveP]

Are we really having a problem with kids wanting to vape? I can't say that I have seen anyone under 30 with an ecig. If kids want to vape, they can get someone over 18 to buy them a Blu at the convenience store.

Joe Biden recently issued a public statement saying, "We can't pass a law and stop all gun deaths". Why believe that a law will prevent kids from getting tobacco or alcohol or other sources of nicotine? Speaker Boehner vapes in the Congressional lobby during breaks.

 

[Jman8]

It's a general discussion .. no need for passive aggressive

Read the thread, then I'm hoping you'll understand .. if not, oh well ..

I have read the thread that I started.

Oh well.

 

[Aras]

Are we really having a problem with kids wanting to vape? I can't say that I have seen anyone under 30 with an ecig. If kids want to vape, they can get someone over 18 to buy them a Blu at the convenience store.

Joe Biden recently issued a public statement saying, "We can't pass a law and stop all gun deaths". Why believe that a law will prevent kids from getting tobacco or alcohol or other sources of nicotine? Speaker Boehner vapes in the Congressional lobby during breaks.

It's not the fact that the problem actually exists but, that is the angle the opposition is using. It is a believable one to those who don't know the truth. Candy and fruit flavored vapes are attractive to children. Even if they don't vape it, they could drink it. That is a good arguing point. The problem doesn't exist but...