When I was a young boy we could buy a gun from the back page of a comic book. Guess who regulated it? Our parents. None of us ever even 'considered' ordering a gun. mass killings were were certainly not the norm as is the case today. 'They' present the problem,'we' react,'they' present the solution. I find it ironic that the more gun laws (over 20,000) passed the more killings there are. Makes me go, Hmmmm.
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Agreed. We don't need anymore new laws or regulations on guns/ammo or e-cig products, period. Laws do nothing to prevent something. What we need is smaller government. They're always trying to stick their noses in places it doesn't belong.
Your nic is cheap was it a 100mg if it was where did you buy at because i need to stock up also thank you.
This.
Where do you get your nic, Uncle Willie? Because Wizard Labs has it for $57 for 500ml of 100mg, which works out to about double what you quoted.
Thank you orobas them are some good prices will have to check into wizard labs.
Smaller government? How exactly would you acheive that aspiration though?
Conservatives pass just as many restrictions on freedom, and regulations, if not, realistically, alot more more than liberals.
We have a conservative government here in new zealand ATM. I have never seen so many regulations passed in my life. We have the food bill, the natural medicines bill, welfare reforms, the new drugs bill, tobacco laws. Our tobacco tax has been raised to the highest in the world, lol. It feels like every aspect of our lives will be regulated. I am just waiting for the reproductive bill, lol...
The only people that really beleive in smaller government and more freedom are the social liberals - like the extreme left, and extreme right, people like libertarians who nobody ever votes for, and have no chance of getting in with a two party system
(at least here in new zealand we have proportional respesentation, so smaller parties can grow their support base over time, in the US, your basically stuck with two flavours of suck)
"Smaller government" - thats usually some ironic rhetoric that usually comes from social/moral conservatives who are economic conservatives also, who have more of a firm ideological position in terms of restricting our freedoms than even the equally sucky middle left does. :/ In reality its short for - we will interfere even more in your lives, create even more laws, just much less so for the market and our rich buddies, and also well spend less money helping people.
It's an impossible dream, smaller government, unless we can get either the far right, or far left, or both, into power, those who actually believe in social freedom and liberty.
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Imo, if he webz police can't stop porn, internet gambling, weapon purchases, etc.. they will have a tough time policing the amount of juice I wish to purchase, right?
Well this opened the can of worms.
Government can't even run a postoffice without failing how does anyone think they can regulate or control anything with efficancy.
Raising children is the responsiblity of the parents not the govenment but it seems more and more are relying on the government to pass regulations so they dont have to know or watch what their children are doing. I, at all times knew what my children were doing at any given time, on the computer I knew exactly what they were looking at. The only time I didnt know what they were doing was when they were in school, and then it was up to the school to keep my children from the things they werent suppost to be into. I believe its up to the parents to raise their children not everyone around them. Its up to the parents to decide what foods, drinks, movies, and so on that the children have. Not the government.
The govenment really thinks we are stupid I think, that every aspect of our lives needs to be micro managed because we cant manage it ourselves. There is an huge over reach of the governments responsiblities that the Constitution gives them. Its not the responsiblity of the government to tell anyone what they cant eat sugar, salt, fried foods, smoke tobacco, or any of the other things local governments have gotten their say in and made regulations on. We have laws on top of laws, laws that contradict other laws. Laws and regulations that make no sense.
Government can't even run a postoffice without failing how does anyone think they can regulate or control anything with efficancy.
Raising children is the responsiblity of the parents not the govenment but it seems more and more are relying on the government to pass regulations so they dont have to know or watch what their children are doing. I, at all times knew what my children were doing at any given time, on the computer I knew exactly what they were looking at. The only time I didnt know what they were doing was when they were in school, and then it was up to the school to keep my children from the things they werent suppost to be into. I believe its up to the parents to raise their children not everyone around them. Its up to the parents to decide what foods, drinks, movies, and so on that the children have. Not the government.
The govenment really thinks we are stupid I think, that every aspect of our lives needs to be micro managed because we cant manage it ourselves. There is an huge over reach of the governments responsiblities that the Constitution gives them. Its not the responsiblity of the government to tell anyone what they cant eat sugar, salt, fried foods, smoke tobacco, or any of the other things local governments have gotten their say in and made regulations on. We have laws on top of laws, laws that contradict other laws. Laws and regulations that make no sense.
How to achieve it? I'm not sure. But that doesn't change the fact that it is what I want. I don't want or need the government telling me what I can or can't do, for "my own safety".
Both political parties suck right now, in my opinion. I agree with some parts from both, but neither is really what I stand 100% behind. It sucks, but that's the way it is.
"My Own Safety" is double edged sword.
Most want government to take action when when their air, water, food or medication is compromised - generally when things fall apart they need someone to run to and fix it form them.
Some not so Much.
At present we only disagree with the FDA is because they may take away/hinder something We Value.
Should this argument have been about something We don't care about, no one unless directly affected would really have any issue with the FDA.
As citizens we like to complain about how government over governs the minute of our lives, yet year on year we insist they do exactly that either by not voting/ abstain from voting and each time giving away a little more of our freedoms and needs to Professional Politicians of whom most have never held a position in the Real world and only seek to promise everything in order to keep their position of power and employment for an extra term in government or at least until they reach the Pinnacle for their Super Retirement Package.
Most want government to take action when when their air, water, food or medication is compromised - generally when things fall apart they need someone to run to and fix it form them.
Some not so Much.
At present we only disagree with the FDA is because they may take away/hinder something We Value.
Should this argument have been about something We don't care about, no one unless directly affected would really have any issue with the FDA.
As citizens we like to complain about how government over governs the minute of our lives, yet year on year we insist they do exactly that either by not voting/ abstain from voting and each time giving away a little more of our freedoms and needs to Professional Politicians of whom most have never held a position in the Real world and only seek to promise everything in order to keep their position of power and employment for an extra term in government or at least until they reach the Pinnacle for their Super Retirement Package.
Yeah, they scream we're being overgoverned and that the government needs to be smaller and needs to mind it's own business.....
...................Unless you want to marry someone of the same gender, that is... or god forbid, exercise dominion over your own body. They want laws against THAT.
Honestly the Libertarian party takes the best idea from each side. I honestly think they are this countries only hope. Unfortunately it's nearly impossible for a third party to gain traction because people are so programmed to vote Rep or Dem. Alot of people feel like their vote doesn't count if they vote third party, when in reality a third party vote is the only vote that does count.
Libertarian Party | Maximum Freedom, Minimum Government
Libertarian Party | Maximum Freedom, Minimum Government
This is a Good Point.
State and Local agencies say Where and by Who tobacco products can be sold. You have to state on your Business License if you are going to sell tobacco products.
I use a dilution of 6mg .. check RTS Vapes .. they also have a wholesale program for large purchases and on first time nic orders they offer a 20% discount and free shipping over $75.00 ..
As OP, there are so many posts in this thread I'd love to address. Speak to. Perhaps debate, for sure at least discuss.
Unfortunately, many of them are off topic.
Dag nabbit.
If eCig industry cannot self regulate internet sales leading to restriction of sales to minors, a point that I find many vapers agree with, it becomes an issue that is begging for more government involvement. And the type of involvement where 'banning such sales' seemingly makes 'perfect sense' as a solution.
If I, or others, were to brainstorm a list of possible solutions to this problem, I feel confident that some would be determined outright as bad policy / can't happen. And so the one that I think is most feasible, and is better than banning, would be draconian. Along lines of - either you prove to us, the vendor, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you are over 18, or we do not sell to you. And if you are unable to prove this to us because of resistance to some unpopular draconian measure that is taken by us, the industry, oh well - guess there won't be many online sales going on then. While it might not be best solution around, it sure beats banning online sales altogether.
To be just a bit more clear on what I mean by draconian policy, it would be one in which your sense of privacy as a consumer goes right out the window because of the type of vendors you (or me) are choosing to buy product(s) from.
Unfortunately, many of them are off topic.
Dag nabbit.
If eCig industry cannot self regulate internet sales leading to restriction of sales to minors, a point that I find many vapers agree with, it becomes an issue that is begging for more government involvement. And the type of involvement where 'banning such sales' seemingly makes 'perfect sense' as a solution.
If I, or others, were to brainstorm a list of possible solutions to this problem, I feel confident that some would be determined outright as bad policy / can't happen. And so the one that I think is most feasible, and is better than banning, would be draconian. Along lines of - either you prove to us, the vendor, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you are over 18, or we do not sell to you. And if you are unable to prove this to us because of resistance to some unpopular draconian measure that is taken by us, the industry, oh well - guess there won't be many online sales going on then. While it might not be best solution around, it sure beats banning online sales altogether.
To be just a bit more clear on what I mean by draconian policy, it would be one in which your sense of privacy as a consumer goes right out the window because of the type of vendors you (or me) are choosing to buy product(s) from.
I don't care who someone falls in love with, or who someone marries. That's their business. I also don't care what someone does to their own body. That's also their business. (With the exception of the people who cry for the government to keep their laws off their body, yet still demand free birth control from the government. I do find that humorous.)
When I say I want smaller government, I truly mean it, in every way possible. I'm not sure if your comment was directed at me or what, but I just figured I'd throw that out there.
Speaking for me, personally, I do care, even when it's not something that directly affects me. If we keep letting them regulate everything, then someday, they will end up on the topic of something you hold close to your heart. The "slippery slope" idea, and all.
That actually works out to a comparable price to wizard labs, though with the quantity i intend to get in one fell swoop I'd get free shipping from there, too.
Is there a code or something for this 20% off? since it may boil down to "whose taking orders when i'm ready to place one"
I was agreeing with you in a roundabout way, while commenting on most people who make those statements are inconsistant.
Free birth control is also a hoot. Unless you're settled and monogamous you should be using rubbers, because there's worse stuff than pregnancy out there. The paltry co-pay on a hormonal shouldn't cripple the combined resource of monos.
But the same people who typically scream for smaller government want no abortions and no birth control, but simultaneously want no safety net for them, and in fact don't even want to hear about them or spend money on public education for them. I reckon they want them locked in a closet until they're old enough to enlist.
I reckon folks like you and I who are lacking these double standards are the sad minority.
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