No coincidence, I'm sure, that the sponsor of the nonsense in New York is a self-proclaimed ex-smoker of 20 years.
Please people, don't be this guy [Passenger Removed From Flight]
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No coincidence, I'm sure, that the sponsor of the nonsense in New York is a self-proclaimed ex-smoker of 20 years.
(my bold) Well of coarse he tested positve for nicotine but did anyone exposed to his vaping also test positive?
I found this link very interesting.
Proposed Law Endangers Health of Former Smokers
Yeah, that was the point, the test subjects were found not to have gotten any significant nicotine.
I wish I could find the thread, it really is a very interesting read.
EDIT: Look at that, I found it: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/69409-cnn-com-today.html
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Except the researcher, himself, took part in the discussion linked and admitted that he would change his approach to his testing methodology for any subsequent testing he performed due to flaws in the approach used in the topic research study. In another thread irrc, he discussed ordering a different model, testing himself, and finding via home-testing that he had actually ingested a fair amount of nicotine from "medium" cartridge use.
In a nutshell the referenced study was debunked, and the researcher was provided vital information that could prove useful in future studies.
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I Love to Vape, and have stealth vaped on several airlines with no problem..... However, When you start trying to force "Your Right" to do something "You Feel" you need to do just to make a point, your going to get negative feed back every time!!! Not sure who stated it, But messing with the TSA, FAA, Air Marshals, Airlines is not the way to Blaze a new trail for vaping... You will lose every time.... My wife was delayed for a cork screw that was packaged in a gift set and got a summons to appear, not to mention a lawyer, and possible fine and or jail time..... All this for a bottle of wine..... This is not a bus, nor a civil rights issue that needs to be addressed to get a point across.....
I just love these BOZO's who have gotten on a flight and blew vape into the smoke detector in the crapper on an airplane..... "What If" the alarm went off????
What was your point??? This is what ruins it for everybody else!!!!! How would you explain that one???? Then you get your 15 minutes of fame... At what cost??
I do not know what the answer is.... I'm just happy I can still purchase what I want when I want without fear of someone busting my door down, telling me I don't have a right to do this..... Do we want that????
Steef
I just love these BOZO's who have gotten on a flight and blew vape into the smoke detector in the crapper on an airplane..... "What If" the alarm went off????
What was your point??? This is what ruins it for everybody else!!!!! How would you explain that one???? Then you get your 15 minutes of fame... At what cost??
I do not know what the answer is.... I'm just happy I can still purchase what I want when I want without fear of someone busting my door down, telling me I don't have a right to do this..... Do we want that????
Steef
Well when it come to airplanes, that is always ultra sensitive! This product is too new to start shoving it down peoples throats! That will only cause more and more non-smokers to become anti- e-cig very quickly! In my opinion what we need to do is keep it to ourselves and respectful of others. I think bars and nightclubs are fine but if someone complains, keep it respectful ! remember that MOST people are sheep and ignorant and if they heard the FDA made a statement that these things are killers, even with second hand smoke, the masses will initially believe the FDA.
Now as time goes on and we enjoy professionals like Dr Siegler and other experts discuss the truthfulness of e-cigs as well as how CORRUPT the fda is, then e-cigs will be more welcomed. That should be our first goal,, totally discredit the FDA and I am not simply talking as a vaper but also a citizen of the USA!! This agency is a rediculous joke in every single way!!! Of coarse we need a part of government that protects us from harmful meds however they do not do that!!! They allow drug manufacturers to get their product on the shelves and 6 months later, we see the ads from attorneys asking consumers to join the class action law-suits. It happens more and more which means the FDA is researching less and less. FDA needs a total turn around!
Yeah, but you can't take a gun on a plane either. Even a fake gun, even a water gun. Maybe your hair dryer if it looks too much like a gun. The TSA confiscated a plastic toy slingshot from my mom's luggage once. We don't have unqualified rights, and it's not all about the FDA. It's like living under your parents' roof. When you get on a plane, the FAA is your mommy and daddy, and if you don't like their rules, you can leave.
Actually the twenty year rates are more like 25% then and and 20% now. All that money spent by the antis making marginal change. You'd have to go back to 65 to get over 40% smokers.
I was with a guy that had to either throw his belt away or put it in his luggage because it was a western belt with two six shooters on it, each about 3/4 inch long. No desire to fly anymore, just too ridiculous.
Yes everything has gone nuts, too many laws and too many cops only doing what makes money. Finding my grandma's stolen car isn't on their list, they closed the case, even when told where it might be. I get a DWI for not turning my turn signal soon enough, i blew .085, cause i had it fresh on breathe, those machines aren't right, one sip will do that. Now stop-light camera's giving tickets if you don't stop for 5 complete seconds, and lights turning from yellow to red in 2 seconds. This is our present. Laws to criminalize the public in any way possible, and make money. I'm scared to leave my home. No turning a plane around on a product the FDA doesn't have its pockets in, is not anyway to go about a positive reaction. Now NJ and soon NY will ban them, and in spring airplanes will ban them cause of some old fart that made the law in the 80's. Lighters aren't allowed on planes. How can anyone lite anything. Flavors are for kids well I guess we're all kids at heart. But now its out there, and the public mad mom's out there are .....ing, so now we got to inform the fight. Fog machines are allowed, PG is in those machines, not food grade, but its there. Nicotine is in tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant, and califlower. So there, its in Food that everyone eats. Kids are more into caffeine than nicotine. caffeine has withdrawls: bad headaches. nicotine we get cranky, thats it. caffeine is so much more addictive, I say campaign against the other legal addictive additive, and see how mad mom's act then. Anything and everything can be banned and its headed our way. smoke-everywhere= be careful what you say, you have to its not smoke its vapor, its not lit, its a light. its not a cigarette its a stick. omg! can't we all just get along. I was really looking forward to vaping in july on a plane, will i be able to? idk? probably not. But we need to work together. I'm sick of these F4L ppl the carto's suck, its not suppose to snap, crackle, pop in ur mouth, like a firecracker. ppl stop promoting them, its a piece of crap that will be tested and all of them banned cause of it. Makes me sick. Its a money world and these pill companies to stop smoking are in the fda pockets and the commercials have been waiting to come out, its all over. Say no to pills, patches, and gum, and Go to national vapers club and see the state bills, and email against them banning and criminalizing nicotine.
Yes thats what i meant i was so disappointed with their product except the batts are great thats it.
How do i put in how long i've been non-analog. i'll try put it in i got the code after clicking on someones and now don't know if i add it everytime i reply??? and the V and F are really close on the keyboard, my bad.
oh ok yeah. I'm with you on the cartos, I thought you meant the whole system sucked, batt and all. the batteries are GREAT, and they make good E-liquid, just get some blank kr808-d1 cartos somewhere else and you have a gread E-cig. now then, about this whole flight thing. I'm usually pro-ecig but in this particular case, I think it's perfectly reasonable to ban E-cig use on planes. planes are a very confined, narrow space, and if a lot of people are using e-cigs on there at once, the plane will still get filled up with vapor, and some flavors really don't smell too good. not to mention if somebody's vaping 555 or something to that effect, it could cause somebody allergic to peanuts or other nuts to have a reaction that would normally be far enough away for it not to affect them if they were in a more open space. was the media ignorant in saying the passanger "lit" an e-cig? yes, very. was it over reacting to land the plane and kick him off for it? for sure. but I think in a situation like an airline where
1. it's a small confined space
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2. if somebody is allergic to peanuts, menthol, etc, or just offended by whatever scent is coming out of the E-cig (for example, I can't STAND the way some of the perfume-ish flavors smell) they can't exactly get up and leave the plane like they could in say a bar
it's perfectly reasonable to just keep ANYTHING that can release an over powering vapor or smell (wouldn't want some dumb kids spraying Axe either, too much of that .... gives me a headache) banned on flights, trains, etc.
1. it's a small confined space
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2. if somebody is allergic to peanuts, menthol, etc, or just offended by whatever scent is coming out of the E-cig (for example, I can't STAND the way some of the perfume-ish flavors smell) they can't exactly get up and leave the plane like they could in say a bar
it's perfectly reasonable to just keep ANYTHING that can release an over powering vapor or smell (wouldn't want some dumb kids spraying Axe either, too much of that .... gives me a headache) banned on flights, trains, etc.
Same with cologne and perfume, land the plane NOW! Your right to wear it ends at my nose.
actually I think with that sort of thing you should be able to wear it if its on you already but you should have to at least go into the bathroom to spray it. a plane ride should be as comfortable as possible for everybody on the plane, and if the plane begins to smell like a mix of 555 vapor, perfume, cologne, body spray, and hairspray, everybody will get ...... off. I do think any and all spit-free smokeless tobacco should be allowed though, as that cannot POSSIBLY bother anybody else.
When they disallow garlic breath and perfume I'll jump on the bandwagon. Until then, I say forgetaboutit. When we venture forth into the big cruel world, we have to bravely face all the horrific dangers, like smells we don't like and who/where they come from.
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