Please read - action needed - New Jersey E-Cig Ban!!

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kristin

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I can not see ANY good reason for someone to sit at work and "vape away" at their desk if surrounded by others(who may be offended by it even if it is harmless). If you have that much of an addiction you need professional help or should consider working somewhere in a private room. I don't want to have PV's attacked even further because someone feels like they are making a point by sending plumes of vapor up at work, in the movies, walking through Wal-Mart, or in a restaurant. Toxic or not isn't the issue, find a greater cause to fight for folks;) If they ban them in the workplace, it's probably because someone decided to try to make a point by doing exactly what I described above....
So, just because someone is "offended" by something that I am doing - regardless of whether or not is has ANY affect on them personally - I'm supposed expose myself to dangerous tobacco smoke outside with smokers??

So, if I think you're haircut looks ugly and it offends me, I can pass a law to make you go stand outside with smokers?

There is absolutely no logic to your argument, unless you feel that e-cigs are dangerous.

Should we make people with Nicotrol inhalers stand outside with smokers, because some people may be offended by the sight of them using it?

Making e-cig users go outside to use their device is just as ludicrous.

If you truly want to fight for the greater cause, then this is it. If e-cig users are lumped in with smokers, by forcing them outside with them, then people will automatically assume that they are just as bad for you and no one will shed a tear when they get COMPLETELY banned on us.

You need to look at the larger picture.
 

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So, just because someone is "offended" by something that I am doing - regardless of whether or not is has ANY affect on them personally - I'm supposed expose myself to dangerous tobacco smoke outside with smokers??

So, if I think you're haircut looks ugly and it offends me, I can pass a law to make you go stand outside with smokers?

There is absolutely no logic to your argument, unless you feel that e-cigs are dangerous.

Should we make people with Nicotrol inhalers stand outside with smokers, because some people may be offended by the sight of them using it?

Making e-cig users go outside to use their device is just as ludicrous.

If you truly want to fight for the greater cause, then this is it. If e-cig users are lumped in with smokers, by forcing them outside with them, then people will automatically assume that they are just as bad for you and no one will shed a tear when they get COMPLETELY banned on us.

You need to look at the larger picture.


Some people aren't offended by smoking.

They're offended by the IDEA AND CONCEPT of smoking, even if it's odorless.

These people are control freaks.

They're worth avoiding.
 

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Great article! Loved it.

Feedback:

Paragraph 8- burn any material nor produce side-stream smoke
(needs a comma before "nor")

Same paragraph-
Consider a re-write, as it doesn't flow nearly as well as it could.

The vapor, unlike tobacco smoke, does not linger and produces no unpleasant odor, nor irritation, for most bystanders.

...maybe:

Unlike tobacco smoke, the vapor does not linger, has no unpleasant odor, and is rarely considered an irritant by bystanders.


Kristin, we are so fortunate to have you on the team. Thanks for all you do.
 

livewireignited

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I imagine Backlash and all the other people on here that share the mentality that sending an email to these senators from a state outside of NJ are a lot like the useless tools that will stand there and watch as their neighbor's house burns down, but when their own house catches fire and no one comes to help, they scream and cry how terrible people are for simply doing nothing.
 
In case you missed it, here's what the actual bill states:

c. Electronic smoking devices have not been approved as to safety and efficacy by the federal Food and Drug Administration, and their use may pose a health risk to persons exposed to their smoke or vapor because of a known irritant contained therein and other substances that may, upon evaluation by that agency, be identified as potentially toxic to those inhaling the smoke or vapor;
 

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I highly doubt anyone here has the same opinion as I do about this. I don't think doing this in public places is the greatest route. First of all discretion and common sense should be used. If something passes that allows vaporizing anywhere.. we are going to have aszhats pissing people off.

Even though I vaporize, I would never do it in line at a fast food place or in a restaurant. I would never do it in front of children (I don't in front of my own). I feel as if it promotes usage of an addictive substance. I will probably not be visiting this thread again as I am sure I will be getting flamed left and right.

Its just an opinion, and I will keep hold of it. You should have yours too. I don't mind.

I totally agree with you on this one. I treat PVs as if they were cigs.
 
In case you missed it, here's what the actual bill states:

Great, then that sets the precedent to ban fog machines in night clubs and theaters. If PG is an irritant inhaled, then it must be harmful for ingestion, so no toothpaste, mouthwash, cold medicine.

This is how we defeat this. If these types of bans are happening in your area, then argue that the ban should include any fog machine that uses PG. Then bring up the point that fog machines use commercial grade PG, which is not as refined and pure as the Food Grade PG in e juice. Then bring up that maybe we should just ban PG all together.

These legislators are idiots.
 

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The bill, a Senate committee substitute for (S3053/S3054), would expand the definition of “smoking” to include e-cigarettes. It would define smoking as the burning or inhaling of tobacco or any other matter than can be smoked or inhaled, or the inhaling of smoke or vapor from an electronic smoking device. This would allow provisions of the “New Jersey Smoke Free Air Act,” which ban smoking in public places or the sale of smoking products to minors, to apply to the electronic smoking devices.
Please, this is just wrong.

E-cigarettes are NOT born for combustion (burning) of Big Tobacco poisons.

They are PERSONAL vaportizers. Please do not lump the best innovation so far marketed to replace cigarette smoking with cigarette smoking. THOUSANDS of people are enjoying life without smoke for the first time in years, and have QUIT SMOKING by using the e-cigarette.

This would be the same as throwing the baby away before it's bath!!

Please VOTE NO
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I totally agree with you on this one. I treat PVs as if they were cigs.

Why not treat sparking cider consumption at work like drinking on the job...because after all, it isn't the *alcohol* that is the problem, but the carbonation...because the bubbles contain carbon dioxide, a known asphyxiant gas harmful to humans.

The "logic" is exactly the same. No science...no medicine...no demonstrable fact, cause or effect. it just 'sounds reasonable'...even though it is completely wrong.

-K
 

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***Sorry for the length. I kind of ranted a bit, but I am angry, after all.***

I agree with those who feel that vaping publicly is not really a great idea. I kind of wonder if people had been treating e-cigs like regular cigs, thus not drawing undue attention to them, if we'd be in this mess of bans left and right.

I vape not to be able to get my nicotine fix at work (can't vape there, anyway) or at a bar (I don't go to many bars), but rather because I enjoy smoking and I wanted to try an alternative that would enable me to worry less about my health.

The nice thing about vaping is that it is oderless and does not leave any residue on walls or in fabric. Any public bans would prevent vaping in public — work, bars, restaurants, stores, etc. — but we could easily continue to vape in "private public" places, like motel rooms. Who would know?

You can also vape secretly. If you hold you e-cig a certain way, thus blocking the LED from view, and you hold the vapor in your lungs or mouth a little longer, nobody would be the wiser. The vapor you exhale would be minimal, nobody would smell it, and nobody would have any idea what you're doing.

It's a shame so many legislators are so closed off to the idea that vaping might be OK. It's also sad that so many have bought into the stupid argument that vaping is attractive to minors. I don't know too many kids with credit cards who can ring up $50-$200 or more in starter kids, carts, attys, juice, etc. It's way cheaper and easier to find some 7-11 or an out-of-the-way deli willing to sell a pack of Marlboros to a group of 13-year olds than to try to set yourself up at that age with an e-cig collection.

It's also a shame that no government agency is moving more quickly to run legitimate lab tests on e-cigs and vapor. Nobody really knows how safe these things are. We could all be soooo wrong about these being a "healthier alternative" to smoking. If we were all duped into simply switching poisons, then those who have been working to ban e-cigs from public use would actually be heroes. But to ban something that is not clearly dangerous seems ignorant and short-sighted.

I would be so much more comfortable if these banning bills included some kind of phrasing that would reverse the ban if, and when, e-cigs turned out to be safe. But that is not going to happen. That kind of thinking is far too progressive for our legislators.

Animal growth hormones and nano-particles have not been proven to be 100% for human consumption, yet there are no plans to ban these from the marketplace. Nano technology is used in all sorts of consumer products. "Consumer Reports" magazine even pointed out that the nano particles used to increase the effectiveness of sunscreen lotion could possibly enter the bloodstream through cuts and scratches, and might be small enough to pass through the protective membrane surrounding and protecting our brains. We have no idea what kind of harmful effects that could have on us. But no senators or assembly people are calling for a halt on the use of nano technology.

Hypocrites, fear mongers, and panderers. That's who we rely on to run our country and make our laws. Today's news reported that used car salesmen are more trusted than politicians. This is a sad state of affairs.

Had I lived in New Jersey, I would certainly never cast a vote in favor of reelecting ANYONE who voted to ban e-cigs in any way. I might never choose to vape in public, but I cannot support the idea that the choice to do so is not mine.
 

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When considering NJ and e cigs, there are three words you need to remember:

Johnson and Johnson.

They are headquartered in NJ and make smoking cessation drugs. There is also the Robert Woods Johnson Foundation (RJWF) which gets its money from J&J stock; they have funded much of the assault on smoking. You think just maybe they lobbied to ban the e cig from public use and their campaign donations to legislators might have played a role......???? It seems there was not ONE legislator who voted against the ban, which, in any political body, is extremely unusual.
 
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