Please read - action needed - New Jersey E-Cig Ban!!

[MrKai]

Dear NJ Members:

Fret not. Find lawyers. You are non-smokers...the notion that you should be forced to put yourselves in harm's way by having to suck up smoke from tobacco products is patently absurd.

At the end of the day, it comes down to people, wherever they are...just saying a polite "No. I'm not doing it. I'm not going to kill myself if you aren't going with me because you are simply too ignorant or 'busy' to distinguish fog juice from cigarette smoke."

You ask...anybody...I am far from Mr. Radical...but the notion that this state would *specifically group e-Cigs with cigarettes* is so mind-boggling that it is hard for me to comprehend. It is like defining O'Doul's or Sparking Apple Cider as an alcoholic beverage because of the packaging design.

That said, if my state tries that...you'll all probably be hearing about me on the news as I will make myself a nuisance in Annapolis.

You want to craft idiot e-Cig laws...fine. Do it. They can and likely will be overturned and/or repealed. But grouping them as cigarettes? That's Orwellian dirty pool right there.

As I said...you shouldn't have trouble finding lawyers in NJ that think that forcing non-smokers to suck up copious amounts of tobacco smoke against their will is a problem.

I already know who to call in my state should this slippery slope be descended.

-K

 

[skydragon]

Dear NJ Members:

Fret not. Find lawyers. You are non-smokers...the notion that you should be forced to put yourselves in harm's way by having to suck up smoke from tobacco products is patently absurd.

At the end of the day, it comes down to people, wherever they are...just saying a polite "No. I'm not doing it. I'm not going to kill myself if you aren't going with me because you are simply too ignorant or 'busy' to distinguish fog juice from cigarette smoke."

You ask...anybody...I am far from Mr. Radical...but the notion that this state would *specifically group e-Cigs with cigarettes* is so mind-boggling that it is hard for me to comprehend. It is like defining O'Doul's or Sparking Apple Cider as an alcoholic beverage because of the packaging design.

That said, if my state tries that...you'll all probably be hearing about me on the news as I will make myself a nuisance in Annapolis.

You want to craft idiot e-Cig laws...fine. Do it. They can and likely will be overturned and/or repealed. But grouping them as cigarettes? That's Orwellian dirty pool right there.

As I said...you shouldn't have trouble finding lawyers in NJ that think that forcing non-smokers to suck up copious amounts of tobacco smoke against their will is a problem.

I already know who to call in my state should this slippery slope be descended.

-K

That will take time and money though. Better to stop it before it gets to that point if at all possible.

 

[Reuben]

e-mails send, thanks to everyone.

Keep On Vaping!!!!

Ruben

 

[Connman]

Well blow stuff in the air in confined areas what did you think would happen. Not dangerous to non smokers? 20 years down the road will tell the tell. I say it`s healthier perhaps then smoking but as being safe. Get real. And I seen mentioned in here next they`ll be outlawing it while driving a car. I can see that as well when there are videos of how to be reckless and drip while driving. Sad you can be so addicted to this and in such a hurry to do that.
The only public place I`d like to see this is in bars myself.

I`m not saying I`m against what your doing here if I was I wouldn`t be here but at the same time you are saying they don`t have all the facts I think both sides are preaching that way. Is my exhaled vapor 100% chemical free? Are the same chemicals I eat 100% good for my Lungs?



I`ll contribute and send a few e-mails but to only a few of the e-mails given. I am new here and enjoy you all and very much still reading some of the great facts you have in here. For that I Thank you. So I may be totally wrong but I`m willing to read and learn.



Sorry if I offend anyone with my opinion.

 

[k lady]

Don't know if they'll read 'em, but I sent 'em. Vapers unite!

 

[dmccauliff]

Don't know if they read them either but Vitale is in my district. So I sent him a personal e-mail of what I think of him trying to restrict my freedoms and force an unhealthy lifestyle onto his constituents. I also gave him the link to the FDA's own paper on the topic and argued each of the main points. And a small reminder that I will remember him come election time. NJ has the worst budget issue in it's history and he is just ticking me off like all the incumbants here wasting time on this.

David

 

[Jaganic_Solitude]

This blows, i live in nj!!

 

[jadeninja]

Since it was the only report they could find to back up their insanity!

Somebody seriously needs to actively protest this garbage. I have had the honor to visit New Jersey many times. The skies there are so filled with industrial pollution, the entire state reeks of waste. Are they going to shut down industry?

If I lived in New Jersey, I would either throw a vehement protest or hope the law passes, so it could be tested in the higher courts as a blatant violation of the U.S. Constitution (not to mention grade-school guidelines on grammar and sentence structure).

Given the definitions provided in the text of the draft legislation, this law would ban not only cigarette smoke and vapor from electronic cigarettes, but also inhalers of any type. What if a person is on oxygen?

This is exactly the kind of logic that resulted in the Salem witch trials and McCarthyism. Where is the Libertarian Party? Where is the Tea Party? Is our nation completely devoid of common sense?

Emails out!

 

[sunnyday]

Dear Senator,
As a 43 year cigarette smoker, having tried every “quit smoking” tool, many attempts with no success, I have found the only “cure” which is absolute. Many users of the Electronic Cigarette have embraced the new technology, hailing it a Godsend for the tobacco alternative.
We urge you, work with us, and understand the monumental contribution the E-Cig has had on our daily lives. The physical benefit to family, friends, co-workers, as well as our own health rewards compared with combustible tobacco is immeasurable.
Use of the word “cigarette” is very inappropriate for the battery operated vapor device. The only resemblance to a tobacco cigarette is it’s appearance and application. Structurally it has no similarity or functionality to a cigarette whatsoever. No tobacco, no paper, no combustion, no smoke, no ash, no odor.
Agreed, they should not, and are NOT being sold to minor age persons by responsible vendors. The argument that “they come in child appealing flavors” is as ridiculous as Blackberry Brandy, Orange Vodka, and Peach Schnapps .
In closing I ask you to consider a comparison between the traditional cigarette and the E Cig from a smokers perspective. The choice should be an option for the Nicotine dependant user and not a bureaucratic body of government officials dealing with paramount issues of state and community level imperative.
Thank you for your concern,
Paul R. Ferguson 239-290-5890

 

[ladysolitary85]

Dear Senator,
As a 43 year cigarette smoker, having tried every “quit smoking” tool, many attempts with no success, I have found the only “cure” which is absolute. Many users of the Electronic Cigarette have embraced the new technology, hailing it a Godsend for the tobacco alternative.
We urge you, work with us, and understand the monumental contribution the E-Cig has had on our daily lives. The physical benefit to family, friends, co-workers, as well as our own health rewards compared with combustible tobacco is immeasurable.
Use of the word “cigarette” is very inappropriate for the battery operated vapor device. The only resemblance to a tobacco cigarette is it’s appearance and application. Structurally it has no similarity or functionality to a cigarette whatsoever. No tobacco, no paper, no combustion, no smoke, no ash, no odor.
Agreed, they should not, and are NOT being sold to minor age persons by responsible vendors. The argument that “they come in child appealing flavors” is as ridiculous as Blackberry Brandy, Orange Vodka, and Peach Schnapps .
In closing I ask you to consider a comparison between the traditional cigarette and the E Cig from a smokers perspective. The choice should be an option for the Nicotine dependant user and not a bureaucratic body of government officials dealing with paramount issues of state and community level imperative.
Thank you for your concern,
Paul R. Ferguson 239-290-5890

I really like this.

 

[ddavelarsen]

You folks have sent excellent letters! Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to step up to the plate on this important issue. Make no mistake; this should not be considered as limited to New Jersey. All state legislatures are certainly thinking about this issue as well. Time to make our first stand. Here's the letter I sent, though it's paltry compared to the others I've read!

"Dear Senators;

First allow me to apologize for submitting one email to all addresses. I simply must be careful about my time as I'm on my employer's clock. However, I am very passionate about this issue so will ask your indulgence.

Please carefully consider whether to ban e-cigarettes in public and work places.

I only recently learned about e-cigarettes. I have been a heavy smoker for over 40 years, and tried every method "in the book" to quit the habit. I have been 100% unsuccessful in my attempts to quit smoking. My health suffered severely from my heavy intake of cigarette smoke, yet I had been unable to quit smoking regardless of the myriad prescription nicotine supplements I've used in my many attempts. I had tried every option available to quit smoking, to absolutely no avail. Yet I've been "vaping" for a little over one month, and have been smoke-free for over two weeks. E-cigarettes have been the God-send that I needed to quit smoking. I know in my heart that I will never smoke cigarettes again, and will never subject bystanders to their unhealthy byproducts.

May I tell you, this substitute for tobacco is unsurpassed in its efficacy to help me give up the smoking habit. In just over two weeks of non-smoking using my e-cigarette, my health has improved tremendously. I can exercise with vigor, have more energy, spend 20% more time at my desk working (hence greatly improved productivity for my employer at no cost to them), have experienced resurgence of my senses of taste and smell, and generally have found the experience wholly satisfactory. Without the ability to use my vapor device, I would of necessity revert to the smoking habit that was slowly but surely taking my life and costing my employer a significant portion of my working day.

Electronic cigarettes have no known negative effects, for the user or for bystanders. E-cigarettes produce only steam, which virtually immediately dissipates in the atmosphere. There are no side-products of combustion; there is only steam.

I use my vapor device at my desk while working; my coworkers have never noticed any aroma. Rather, in all cases my coworkers and supervisors have shown complete happiness that I have finally found a solution to my smoking habit. The habit that was slowly but surely killing me, and would leave my family without the support I provide. The habit that consumed close to 20% of my workday.

Imagine! A 20% productivity improvement for every smoker who has the opportunity to use an e-cigarette while working! Banning such a device would be a real disservice to all employers during these economically challenging times.

I implore you all: Please, do not ban e-cigarettes in public or work places. Our nation deserves this unique opportunity to realize unsurpassed improvements in public health and workplace productivity.

Thank you for your consideration,
Dave Larsen"

 

[CDC700]

I highly doubt anyone here has the same opinion as I do about this. I don't think doing this in public places is the greatest route. First of all discretion and common sense should be used. If something passes that allows vaporizing anywhere.. we are going to have aszhats pissing people off.

Even though I vaporize, I would never do it in line at a fast food place or in a restaurant. I would never do it in front of children (I don't in front of my own). I feel as if it promotes usage of an addictive substance. I will probably not be visiting this thread again as I am sure I will be getting flamed left and right.

Its just an opinion, and I will keep hold of it. You should have yours too. I don't mind.

I agree. I have never been an advocate of forcing my habits on others. While I think the smoking ban in Bars/Clubs is ......ed, there is always someone who feels they need to push the limits of their "civil rights" even if it would be construed as rude and boisterous behavior by most. I love the fact that I am no longer smoking cigarettes and look forward to the day I am rid of nicotine altogether. I can not see ANY good reason for someone to sit at work and "vape away" at their desk if surrounded by others(who may be offended by it even if it is harmless). If you have that much of an addiction you need professional help or should consider working somewhere in a private room. I don't want to have PV's attacked even further because someone feels like they are making a point by sending plumes of vapor up at work, in the movies, walking through Wal-Mart, or in a restaurant. Toxic or not isn't the issue, find a greater cause to fight for folks If they ban them in the workplace, it's probably because someone decided to try to make a point by doing exactly what I described above....

 

[brew30]

I live in the uk and have sent e-mails also i know it does not directly concern us but if they ban it in the usa they will bam it here in the united kingdom

 

[Vocalek]

Well blow stuff in the air in confined areas what did you think would happen. Not dangerous to non smokers? 20 years down the road will tell the tell. I say it`s healthier perhaps then smoking but as being safe. Get real. And I seen mentioned in here next they`ll be outlawing it while driving a car. I can see that as well when there are videos of how to be reckless and drip while driving. Sad you can be so addicted to this and in such a hurry to do that.
The only public place I`d like to see this is in bars myself.

I`m not saying I`m against what your doing here if I was I wouldn`t be here but at the same time you are saying they don`t have all the facts I think both sides are preaching that way. Is my exhaled vapor 100% chemical free? Are the same chemicals I eat 100% good for my Lungs?

I`ll contribute and send a few e-mails but to only a few of the e-mails given. I am new here and enjoy you all and very much still reading some of the great facts you have in here. For that I Thank you. So I may be totally wrong but I`m willing to read and learn.

Sorry if I offend anyone with my opinion.

Keep reading. There is a lot of information available here. You can use the Search feature to look up "propylene glycol" (select the 'posts' button so that you don't have to wade through entire threads) I paired that up with "safety" and found this post on the first page of results:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ask-experts/50861-what-do-we-know-sure.html

You know, of course that PG is used extensively in dance clubs and in theatre productions. There are members of this forum who have worked with fog machines for years.

There are people on this forum who have been using a PV for a year or more (I'm up to 8 months.) Guess what, the FDA approved most of its NRT products after clinical trials on humans that lasted only six weeks. So far, nobody has been harmed by long term use of any NRT product.

You seemed to be concerned about "what else is in there" and safety for bystanders. You might want to read the complete Safety report by Health New Zealand: http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf

What else is in there includes water and tiny amounts of flavoring and nicotine. If the nicotine represents 2.4% (in my case--I am using 24 mg fluid) of the total of 10 drops of fluid that I use in a day, that's about 1/4 of one drop--before I inhale and absorb it. And remember, my exhalations are taking place across the entire geography of my daily activities and across many hours. How much nicotine am I exhaling in a single puff? It probably can't even be measured.

This is an interesting study on long term (2 years) effects on inhaled nicotine perfomed on rats: Long-term effects of inhaled nicotine. [Life Sci. 1996] - PubMed result

I would say that the odds that our exhaled vapor can inflict any harm on bystanders is next to nothing.

 

[CrazyTerrie11]

You folks have sent excellent letters! Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to step up to the plate on this important issue. Make no mistake; this should not be considered as limited to New Jersey. All state legislatures are certainly thinking about this issue as well. Time to make our first stand. Here's the letter I sent, though it's paltry compared to the others I've read!

"Dear Senators;



Please carefully consider whether to ban e-cigarettes in public and work places.


May I tell you, this substitute for tobacco is unsurpassed in its efficacy to help me give up the smoking habit. In just over two weeks of non-smoking using my e-cigarette, my health has improved tremendously. I can exercise with vigor, have more energy, spend 20% more time at my desk working (hence greatly improved productivity for my employer at no cost to them), have experienced resurgence of my senses of taste and smell, and generally have found the experience wholly satisfactory. Without the ability to use my vapor device, I would of necessity revert to the smoking habit that was slowly but surely taking my life and costing my employer a significant portion of my working day.

thats exactly what Big Pharma and Big Tobacco want!!!!!!
With this attitude, THEY WIN!!!!!!

Yikes.................there goes my e-cig

 

[CrazyTerrie11]

Is it just me that finds it funny that New Jersey of all places wants to ban e cigarettes? How many millions of tons of pollutants do their factories produce every year?

Ive been to NJ....many times. The entire northern part of the state smells like an oil refinery. The AIR should be banned for crimminy sake!! They should be forced to clean the air pollution first. I wonder how many NJ folk die because the quality of air is so bad?

 

[jadeninja]

Again Vocalek is correct. No confirmed deaths or illness linked to vaping.

In another post I called for testing and trials. I volunteered to be part of tests and trials. I have sent emails to the FDA. They haven't even conducted trials. They have one report and they can't even report the findings correctly from their own report. The fact is they held the report for months. During that time, they could have been conducting trials, but did they? No, they dithered. Dithering seems to be common throughout this administration.

Do the trials FDA. Legislators are instituting public bans based on no studies, no science, and no facts. They are using the stigma of smoking and smoking bans to ban something completely different. If they try to ban vaping, then they need to ban foggers in night clubs and theaters. It's the same thing. Then it will have to go to court. Get overturned and we can end this madness. It's stigma that is the basis for these bans, not science. It borders on tyrannical.

 

[ecosmoking]

All i have to say is that the people who made up these decision is because they did not manage to make a profit since they make so much profit from cigarettes.If they wanted to protect people like they claim why they do not bann the normal cigarette.I am using the e.cig for more than a year now and i so happy with it i saved so much money and i feel so good.I used to smoke 60-80 cigarettes a day and after switching to e.cigs even my wife is more happy where i do not have the bad smell from cigarettes the house is clean and of course bed is better.So it s aout time these people see the real good thing about the e.cig and spent some more money on e.cig tests so as to approve them.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

but I haven't heard anything on Indiana regulating e-cigs yet...

Welcome fellow Hoosier!

A couple of threads for you: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...578-hoosiers-marion-county-have-ecig-ban.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/us-e-smokers/14713-indiana-esmokers-vapers.html

 

[gdogg]

Its times like these, that I miss that one benefit the real cigarette offered.
Less time on this semi-......ed planet.