Pls help with throat hit - already wasted 200ml of liquid

[nebulaskin]

Hi!
As the title says, i already wasted 200ml of eliquid.

I started to do the liquids on my own with avoria bases and capella flavors.

All the liquids I did with fruity flavors give me an insane throat hit! And i mean, impossible to handle.
On the other hand, all the liquids i did with chocolate, vanilla or "sweety" flavors, are perfect!
What Im missing^?

The final liquids are 80vg/20pg with 3mg of nic, so nic or pg are not the cause.
I only have this throat hit problem when using fruity flavors, such as cherry, strawberry, sweet mango, strawberry kiwi, raspberry and so on..

It's frustrating!

Should i search for a particular additive?

 

[Steamix]

What's the flavour percentage u working with ?

 

[nebulaskin]

What's the flavour percentage u working with ?

For 100 ml i usually do:
- 80 ml VG
- 3 ml 100%nic
- 17ml of capella flavors (for example, 7ml of sweet mango, 3ml super sweet, 4ml strawberry kiwi, 3ml vanilla)

Don't look at the flavours used, i was experimenting with sweet mango and wanted to try it out ^^'. Maybe would be total crap anyway.

So ~17% of flavor

 

[Steamix]

Avoria is a German outfit....

Guess you won't have troubles with that then (is mostly numbers anyway)



Seems you on the high side with the flavours...

 

[nebulaskin]

Avoria is a German outfit....

Guess you won't have troubles with that then (is mostly numbers anyway)



Seems you on the high side with the flavours...

Thanks for the sheet!
So I should stay lower with the percentage of flavors?

 

[Steamix]

Is like salting a dish - too much of it is hard to 'salvage'

So start on the low end, taste, add a very little, taste again, and so on till you hit your 'sweet spot'

With some flavours, the bandwitdth is rather narrow , half percent too little and it's meh, hal percent too much and it's meh again...

 

[nebulaskin]

But the percentages on the sheet, -are for single flavor recipes?
I see banana split is 8.5%, but if I want to add something like chocolate, then should I keep the same percentages?

 

[BrotherBob]

What Im missing^?

Sites below may be a good start:
dannyv45's blog | E-Cigarette Forum
diy_beginners_guide - DIY_eJuice

1. Might be a good idea to determine how sensitive your taste buds are and mix flavor(s) percentages accordingly.
2. Harsh taste can have many causes:
Vendor specific nic, PG,VG, flavor not to mention "on the edge of performance" equipment settings/usage. Might want to test by process of elimination.

 

[dannyv45]

When you run into harshness issues with flavor you need to experiment with each flavor on it's own to discover at what point these flavors turn harsh.

No need to make big batches. Start with about 5 - 10ml of base for each flavor and add a very low percentage of a single flavor and work upward until it's good. That will give you your baseline percentage that you can work with for that flavor. You may find out that 2% is just right and 3% gets harsh/chemical tasting. Use those individual percentages found in your individual tests for each flavor when you start to combine flavors and adjust percentages downward on those flavors you want as accents or minor notes and use up to the maximum percentage found in your test for your base flavor and you should be OK.

Now a few rules.

1. Write everything you do down (It would be a shame to create something fantastic and not be able to reproduce it).
2. never make big batches when mixing a recipe for the first time 10ml is perfect and far less expensive to dump down the drain.
3. Sample your base with no flavor added to make sure it's not harsh or peppery. If it is, it's over NIC'ed or just a poor quality nicotine (A smooth base makes a flavorful vape).
4. Start flavoring at the lowest possible percentage and work up.
5. Always test with a clean and properly adjusted atomizer.

 

[SteveS45]

I have found many fruit flavorings contain alcohol which in itself is harsh when vaped* and letting them breath will many times solve the problem. That is of course if it contains alcohol.

* In my opinion.........

 

[nebulaskin]

Thanks a lot for all the answers and big help!
Now I have quite a lot of things to work on...

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Caps sweet mango is very concentrated, imo. I would only use that at maybe 2-5%. And it needs time to steep. Best used in a mix. I did a small trial of it as a stand alone and it took a long time to mellow into something vapable.