some are threaded in, so try unscrewing it. failing that just secure the attie and gently tap it out
use fresh good quality cobalt or titanium drill bits too
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some are threaded in, so try unscrewing it. failing that just secure the attie and gently tap it out
use fresh good quality cobalt or titanium drill bits too
Beat it with a hammer
...There's lots of little tricks but basically, remove the grub screw and find something that will fit inside the threads and reach the bottom (I've used a finishing nail)...you don't want to beat on the top of the post with a center punch or anything...you risk mushrooming it and gimping the threads.
But if you plan on doing this with a hand drill?...I'm pretty decent on the tools but I wouldn't attempt it...do you have a dremel with a cut-off wheel?...the Derringer can pin can be slotted (but not the insulator, it's too thin)
The Derringers are pressed in...the only threaded center pin I've come across was on this evil little Cyclone I did.
Thanks Doffy and Quigs for the info. I've drilled the center pin on an Igo-L & Igo-S in times past with a hand drill, but worried this one may be a little tougher - especially if you would be wary of such an attempt. Reckon I'll let Chowda do the deed.
Just picked up a 2nd Derringer from CH in the classies, now I just need to sell my last Odin to fund another Reo!
Killed your Odins too, eh? Can't say I blame you
Haven't used one, myself, since getting the D's.
Agreed, I didn't touch an RM2 after getting an Odin and I didn't touch a Derringer after getting the Odin.
I've now got an RM2 with a simple 8 wrap 28g micro coil and it really wants that same vape out of the Derringer...
1 air hole on each side and dual 8 wrap 28g micro sound similar?
Currently using 3mm RxW with dual 6 wrap 26G coils.
I've now got an RM2 with a simple 8 wrap 28g micro coil and it really wants that same vape out of the Derringer...
1 air hole on each side and dual 8 wrap 28g micro sound similar?
Currently using 3mm RxW with dual 6 wrap 26G coils.
I didn't touch an RM2 after getting an Odin either. Then I got the Nuppin, really can't stand it except for the flavor which blew my mind and made it difficult to vape an Odin. Now I'm wondering why I ever really liked the Odin - I think I was so infatuated with the airflow and lung hitting that it overtook flavor. In retrospect I never did get very good flavor out of the Odin but everything is relative (and subjective) and I hadn't experienced a Nuppin or Derringer yet. I'll always keep my RM2s though because they're a killer atty when the mood hits, and wonderful backup 
I just got my Derringer yesterday, and I am happy to report that I am impressed. Dual twisted 29g .45ohms on my Peko. I was a little worried at first because I wasn't sure I'd be able to adjust the airflow down enough for M-L, but I think I've got it dialed in. It probably does even better with a little more airflow, but I am just not a lung hitter most of the time. I'd say it's about on par with the Nuppin as far as flavor, warmth & vapor density. Plus, it looks perfect on the Peko.
I got the V1.2, and so the top cap is loose, but a couple of strands of waxed dental floss fixed it right up.
The afc is nice- easy to adjust without having to take the whole thing apart or unscrew anything. I do get a bit of juice in the afc (from condensation or over squonking), but no more than any other atty.
Seems like it would work well with single coil builds, too, because of the small chamber.
I'd definitely recommend it to people looking for flavor, and/or who are used to smaller chamber attys.
I got the V1.2, and so the top cap is loose, but a couple of strands of waxed dental floss fixed it right up.
The afc is nice- easy to adjust without having to take the whole thing apart or unscrew anything. I do get a bit of juice in the afc (from condensation or over squonking), but no more than any other atty.
Seems like it would work well with single coil builds, too, because of the small chamber.
I'd definitely recommend it to people looking for flavor, and/or who are used to smaller chamber attys.
How exactly does one perform this trick of dental flossery? A smudge tightening of my top cap would be nice
How exactly does one perform this trick of dental flossery? A smudge tightening of my top cap would be nice
Just take the o-ring off and wrap the floss around the atty in the channel where the o-ring sits. Put the o-ring back on and you've got an uncle named Bob.
Use waxed floss as it forms better and is more juice resistant than non-waxed. Some people fasten the ends of the floss together, but I find that doing this creates a bump that fractionally distorts the o-ring.
I didn't touch an RM2 after getting an Odin either. Then I got the Nuppin, really can't stand it except for the flavor which blew my mind and made it difficult to vape an Odin. Now I'm wondering why I ever really liked the Odin - I think I was so infatuated with the airflow and lung hitting that it overtook flavor. In retrospect I never did get very good flavor out of the Odin but everything is relative (and subjective) and I hadn't experienced a Nuppin or Derringer yet. I'll always keep my RM2s though because they're a killer atty when the mood hits, and wonderful backup
Unfortunately my V1 is on its way back to Tom as it's fallen to the spinning post syndrome... Every atty made is subjective to what liquid you vape. I have vaped the same liquid now for going on 4yrs. I vape only 1 liquid so it is very easy for me to compare how one atty vapes compared to another. Never could understand why someone wanted to vape something that was creamy, fruity, or even nutty? I started vaping to replace my use of analogs. I vaped menthol analogs for 40+ yrs and couldn't stand a non-menthol and that was passed over into vaping. I can see where unflavored is preferred by a lot of vaper's as it is very comparable to a Marlboro or Marlboro lights. I personally could never smoke those. They were very dry tasting and I felt as though I had just filled my mouth with dirt. Very displeasing to say the least...'
Anyway, back to the atty's... I have never had nor tried an RM2. Never felt the need to, but I can tell you that once I tried my 1st Mephisto, all 5 of my Odin's went bye bye... The ease of build and the flavor I got from them, was and still is one of the best vapes I've had in my 4+yr journey so far. The Nuppin' again is a very straight forward build and a flavor machine. An atty that is way ahead of its time... Probably because it was designed by an actual vaper that knew what he wanted in an atty. We are very fortunate for having Peter in our journey. Then along comes the Derringer, again a very straight forward build and a flavor machine as well, but also very quirky and finicky at the same time. I think a few things should've been thought about longer during its engineering phase. Spinning posts and loose fitting caps aside, it is still a great little atty. I wish they would've made it without the stem on top. I think that would've made it a better atty. I think it could be improved upon in just making it in an 18-19mm diameter. That would be an even better flavor machine... It, like the Nuppin', has a well thought out and designed AFC is what makes it a great atty.
As to what you are wondering what you ever liked about the Odin, a lot of people have been wondering the same thing for some time now, not just you... I could probably sum it up for you with one name....Super_X_Drifter... Russ has been the driving force now for 2yrs for making atty's infamous. We all know what he did for the RM2, then along came the Chalice, the Cyclone, the Odin, and then the Nuppin'... Every atty he has put on his grands and made a video of, they seem to sell out in a very brief period of time. Just look at how many of the latter, (Odin and Nuppin'), sold and how quickly... I see far more people selling their Odin's, than Nuppin's though. Probably because it is 10 times the atty in a smaller footprint. The Odin is no different than a TOBH or a Stillaire in retrospect to its build and AFC design. The biggest reasons Craig has sold as many as he has is the price point and Russ. If it weren't for TC6 BF'g Russ's first Odin, I don't think Loki would've sold 100 atty's... Now he has gone into seclusion because he's all butthurt over people saying they don't care for his product, not to mention the cloning of it and all his idle threats to vendors. He just needs to understand his product is not for the masses and get over himself...
Hey brother, how are you muzic?
I hear you on marlboros - oh my god, any manufactured cigarette made me want to hurl, any of them. If it was pre-rolled, you could keep it. All I did was roll my own - when I lived in the south (shudders) I got really good rolling tobacco for cheap. The last few years all I smoked was bugler
but I just could never stand manufactured smokes, or filters. I'm on the opposite end with vapor - I'm all into creamy and nutty vapes, and to each their own. As long as my vape doesn't resemble a cigarette I'm pretty stoked honestly. It's why I doubt I could do straight unflavored (if Russ is right and it tastes like a marlboro light--to heck with that). Then again, like you, I'm over the flavor craze. I know what I like and vape it all the time. More than one juice, but I'm down to three for the most part (two, mostly), except when I make vids we're both in a good place IMO - we know what we like to vape, how we like to vape it. We're on our game bro.FWIW I agree with you on the Derringer's issues. The center post span on me once, and I haven't had any problems since but it's in the back of my head and I hope a fix comes along. IMO this atty is too incredible to not improve upon (listen to me, Praxis!). If they fix the couple issues it has I'll be in heaven. Even without those fixes I'm vaping and building it just fine. It blew the Odins out of the water, yes - honestly they seem like a highly inferior product now, total agreement. Where is the flavor? That's my question to Loki
There's no question Russ enabled me on the Odin, but I'm grateful he did. Up until that time I was content with mouth to lung hits on my RM2. The odin opened up a world of possibilities for me. It showed me I'm a lung hitting, sub ohm freak like the rest of you. I am happy to have moved on to better attys. I feel the Derringer was designed for me personally - it suits my vape style so well. The Nuppin I can live without honestly. But I'm hanging onto it for now. It really is a stellar atty overall, I'm just not sure I'll ever use it when I've got three Derringers in my arsenal. That boils down to personal design pref as I think the flavor is on par between them.
Muzic, I am curious what happened between Loki and Chowder. I browsed through the catfish forum and couldn't find any info. Any chance you could maybe PM me a short version of it, or link me to where I may find it...? it's really none of my business so feel free to say screw off.
It really is a great time to be a bottomfeeder isn't it? It really, really is. And this is the amazing thing about vaping. There are so many different e-liquids ranging from unflavored to menthol to whatever you can imagine - so many different mods - so many different attys with AFC, build ingenuity, etc...
If someone can't quit smoking and find a vape that suits their needs, IMHO, they're not trying hard enough.
Mike - I hear you on the menthol deal. I smoked Marlboro lights but never minded a Marlboro menthol, Kool or Newport from time to time. At times I even bought packs to compliment my lights (that started as reds).
True story: one night back in my single days I brought my KX 250 to my friends house to rebuild the top end. He was married with a garage (I lived in a condo) so we did it there. We were up late working on it and he smoked thru all his menthols. He would not take a Marlboro light and we were out there for hours. I was stunned. I mean damn, how can a smoker not smoke.
We crashed and when we got up the first thing he wanted to do was run to the store to pick up cigs. Do you think he wanted a light? Correct. No. He even woke up and went like an hour until he got his menthol.
So I completely understand the menthol deal. Too funny.
Now for the fun
. There is one aspect of the Odin that no other atty I've run has. BIG, MANLY Phillips screws THAT NEVER LOOSEN. EVER. And a centerpost that never spins ever.
There are plenty of attys out there these days and every minute a new one comes along but when the zombies come a' running, all of these dainty attys with custom grubs will be worthless. Worthless I tell ya. A REO with out a serviceable heater is useless. Ya'll will be making a pilgrimage to my stronghold where we got nic, a Phillips screwdriver (or knife blade), spare screws and MAN ATTYS. You won't be needing your thorps, wiha or hudy's.
I have had many an atty but none as robust in every way as an Odin.
That means a lot to this kid. There are many a highly satisfied Odin vaper in the world.
But nuppins, they sold themselves long before I got involved. I take zero credit there.
Hell yes. I use killer mods, foolproof and attys like the Odin that's built like the M1A1 Abrams but also like nuppins and may have a derringer coming and like to think that what I run and recommend is solid for 90% of the people who get _X_ ified into it
But if I had to grab one atty and go all "I am legend" it'd be the Odin. No question. Zero.
Up next, a smoktech super shorty carto video. Get em before they sell out. Not because they kick ayuss, get em cause I hypnotize people into believing they do.
And I prefer to dip out on any drama / negativity about good people based on the opinions / experiences of a very small percent of users even if I do consider those users friends.
Mike - I hear you on the menthol deal. I smoked Marlboro lights but never minded a Marlboro menthol, Kool or Newport from time to time. At times I even bought packs to compliment my lights (that started as reds).
True story: one night back in my single days I brought my KX 250 to my friends house to rebuild the top end. He was married with a garage (I lived in a condo) so we did it there. We were up late working on it and he smoked thru all his menthols. He would not take a Marlboro light and we were out there for hours. I was stunned. I mean damn, how can a smoker not smoke.
We crashed and when we got up the first thing he wanted to do was run to the store to pick up cigs. Do you think he wanted a light? Correct. No. He even woke up and went like an hour until he got his menthol.
So I completely understand the menthol deal. Too funny.
Now for the fun
BIG, MANLY Phillips screws THAT NEVER LOOSEN. EVER. And a centerpost that never spins ever.
There are plenty of attys out there these days and every minute a new one comes along but when the zombies come a' running, all of these dainty attys with custom grubs will be worthless. Worthless I tell ya. A REO with out a serviceable heater is useless. Ya'll will be making a pilgrimage to my stronghold where we got nic, a Phillips screwdriver (or knife blade), spare screws and MAN ATTYS. You won't be needing your thorps, wiha or hudy's.
I have had many an atty but none as robust in every way as an Odin.
That means a lot to this kid. There are many a highly satisfied Odin vaper in the world.
But nuppins, they sold themselves long before I got involved. I take zero credit there.
Hell yes. I use killer mods, foolproof and attys like the Odin that's built like the M1A1 Abrams but also like nuppins and may have a derringer coming and like to think that what I run and recommend is solid for 90% of the people who get _X_ ified into it
But if I had to grab one atty and go all "I am legend" it'd be the Odin. No question. Zero.
Up next, a smoktech super shorty carto video. Get em before they sell out. Not because they kick ayuss, get em cause I hypnotize people into believing they do.
And I prefer to dip out on any drama / negativity about good people based on the opinions / experiences of a very small percent of users even if I do consider those users friends.
I know exactly what your friend felt like. Been down that road. All my friends were Marlboro smokers. I rarely ever ran out though. There were always a couple packs laying around, in the glove box, in the bag on the Harley, everywhere at work... Never worried. I can remember when I was in the service back in the late 70's. I went in smoking Kool's and by the time I got to permanent duty I actually switched to Camels. The reason, too many of the brotha's hitting me up and were too lazy to go down to the PX to buy their own. Then I swithed from Camel's to Camel non filters because all the white guys were the same... It used to just crack me up when someone would hit me up for a smoke and when I pulled out a pack of Camel non-filters they all of a sudden didn't want one!! I got wise after about 2-3 months and switched back to Kool's, but they were non filtered this time and only a few would actually ask for one... I would've smoked those till I switched to vaping, but they stopped making them in the early 90's...
I'm not feeling the phillips screws much in my atty's lately. I am liking the grub screws that are in the Nuppin' and the Derringer. I think I actually prefer them. My Mephisto's both have slotted in them. I don't have any problems with any coming loose at all. As to the pilgrimage, won't be happening with this guy. I feel that once I am not able to get the liquid I have used for almost 4yrs now, I will just walk away from my journey altogether...
I am glad you are happy with the Odin... Someone should be happy with it, just wasn't in my wheelhouse at all. I get at least 1 or 2 pm's a week from different folks that has or is thinking of getting rid of their's for various reasons. Most have to do with the man himself and they are venting about it. It's pretty funny the stories that people will tell in a pm... I just straight up make it public!! People need to know the ins and outs of those things and I don't have any problem letting them know. If I was in his shoes, I know I would want someone like me out there cause no vendor does everything perfect. Closest to it is Rob that I've seen so far. That's a guy that knows what CS is all about. He picks up the phone, answers emails and pm's promptly!!! Sometimes almost too promptly. I think part of me does it cause I know it gets you all in a huff... It's all good bro. Too bad Craig has gone underground and all. I just think some of his business practices are lacking in a very large way and it contributed to some walking away from his product. Whatever works for any vapor to keep them off analogs is a good thing!!!
Lastly, it was very ironic that as soon as you caved on the Nuppin', how fast they sold out. I know Peter still had quite a few in stock at the time. If it weren't for you, I don't think the V2 would've been possible. You created a feeding frenzy. The same as you did for the Cyclone and the Odin...
BEHOLD:
I am in heaven Dready is the dude to end all dudes. I didn't care much about what my mod looks like but now, for better or worse, I do - and IMO my mods look stunning, especially in person those pics miss a lot of details in these doors. That black grand with black derringer and black brads cap and coffee-esque patina door? Oh ya, my Wakonda rig, my Sacred Vapor rig, my pride and joy
/rant
I too think I'm beginning to prefer the Derringer grubs over philips. Backups are cheap (100 for ~$10), have built Derringers probably 10+ times now and haven't seen any signs of loosening whatsoever. I beg of Praxis to fix it so that center post cannot spin and fix the o-rings so the top cap is tighter (though I'm gonna try the dental floss trick soon, and this isn't a big deal to me anyway really would just be nice to make a little more snug). If Praxis does those 2 things I see a durable as all hades atty right here pretty dang durable as is but that center post thing sucks although I think I'm good with it now and shouldn't have more spinning issues.
I am in heaven
Dready is the dude to end all dudes. I didn't care much about what my mod looks like but now, for better or worse, I do - and IMO my mods look stunning, especially in person those pics miss a lot of details in these doors. That black grand with black derringer and black brads cap and coffee-esque patina door? Oh ya, my Wakonda rig, my Sacred Vapor rig, my pride and joy /rant
I too think I'm beginning to prefer the Derringer grubs over philips. Backups are cheap (100 for ~$10), have built Derringers probably 10+ times now and haven't seen any signs of loosening whatsoever. I beg of Praxis to fix it so that center post cannot spin and fix the o-rings so the top cap is tighter (though I'm gonna try the dental floss trick soon, and this isn't a big deal to me anyway really would just be nice to make a little more snug). If Praxis does those 2 things I see a durable as all hades atty right here
pretty dang durable as is but that center post thing sucks although I think I'm good with it now and shouldn't have more spinning issues.
those dready doors are sick... I gotta hit him up one day for sure
ha, what's funny about the whole thing is I got a odin way back and was pretty impressed with it for the $65 it was (I don't buy clones). as far as flavor and vaping well I don't think I've ever came across an atty that I couldn't build to satisfy me and the odin wasn't much different, was able to build it to a vape that was good for me so I mentioned how impressed I was with the odin in prolly the microcoil thread and that sparked the super X interest... rest is history
what I liked about the odin is it was a beefy chunk of SS, the cap retention was awesomely tight and it was a simple fool proof design, great afc setup and all at $65 for an authentic made in the usa piece.
everyones got there own things that they value more than others, for example for me, any atty that the cap is so loose that trying to pull it out of a pocket causes the cap to pop off is pretty much useless to me, don't matter how well it vapes, it has to be secure... if I drop my mod and it flies across the room I want to just pick it up and continue to vape, not have to scoop up all the pieces like I'm playing jax or something
for me personally I have no use for the derringer, used it for one day then threw it on the side... I mean it vapes awesome, it looks awesome and I really do like almost everything about it, BUT, and it's a big but for me, and is a deal breaker for me, and that's the fact that the cap is ridiculously loose. it may be fine for someone who sits at a desk all day but I'm out and about all day and I drop stuff and always pick up or pull mods out of my pocket from the atty. the nuppin is also a bit on the loose side but not near as bad as the derringer. personally I like atties that screw together ideally, the chalice is my #1 go to atty, brilliant and bullet proof, the nuppin is my only exception to the rule of no loose caps but that's only cause it's a really awesome yet tiny dual coil atty that has no competition so the nuppin is in rotation, but when I want a good dual coil durable atty that will work for me and the abuse I give it, for me my favorite is still the quazar and the astron by cosmic innovations.
the quazar and newer astron are expensive atties that are not that popular around here from what I see but def the best 22mm bf/dripper atties I've used regardless of price. excellent in everything for me personally, easy to build on, rock solid no leaking afc that will never ever be knocked out of adjustment, ever, and a solid snug cap that's not going anywhere. they are domed inner cap and the astron chamber is just a bit smaller than the quazar but both vape brilliantly for me, it's my 22mm base line and the odin impressed me because it pretty much met almost all the points of a quazar or astron except the domed cap, but at almost half the price....
gotta admit I haven't used an odin in a long time though, not because I don't like it, just that I like a few other things more and can only vape so many atties at a time, it sits in the drawer right beside the derringer
ha, what's funny about the whole thing is I got a odin way back and was pretty impressed with it for the $65 it was (I don't buy clones). as far as flavor and vaping well I don't think I've ever came across an atty that I couldn't build to satisfy me and the odin wasn't much different, was able to build it to a vape that was good for me so I mentioned how impressed I was with the odin in prolly the microcoil thread and that sparked the super X interest... rest is history
what I liked about the odin is it was a beefy chunk of SS, the cap retention was awesomely tight and it was a simple fool proof design, great afc setup and all at $65 for an authentic made in the usa piece.
everyones got there own things that they value more than others, for example for me, any atty that the cap is so loose that trying to pull it out of a pocket causes the cap to pop off is pretty much useless to me, don't matter how well it vapes, it has to be secure... if I drop my mod and it flies across the room I want to just pick it up and continue to vape, not have to scoop up all the pieces like I'm playing jax or something
for me personally I have no use for the derringer, used it for one day then threw it on the side... I mean it vapes awesome, it looks awesome and I really do like almost everything about it, BUT, and it's a big but for me, and is a deal breaker for me, and that's the fact that the cap is ridiculously loose. it may be fine for someone who sits at a desk all day but I'm out and about all day and I drop stuff and always pick up or pull mods out of my pocket from the atty. the nuppin is also a bit on the loose side but not near as bad as the derringer. personally I like atties that screw together ideally, the chalice is my #1 go to atty, brilliant and bullet proof, the nuppin is my only exception to the rule of no loose caps but that's only cause it's a really awesome yet tiny dual coil atty that has no competition so the nuppin is in rotation, but when I want a good dual coil durable atty that will work for me and the abuse I give it, for me my favorite is still the quazar and the astron by cosmic innovations.
the quazar and newer astron are expensive atties that are not that popular around here from what I see but def the best 22mm bf/dripper atties I've used regardless of price. excellent in everything for me personally, easy to build on, rock solid no leaking afc that will never ever be knocked out of adjustment, ever, and a solid snug cap that's not going anywhere. they are domed inner cap and the astron chamber is just a bit smaller than the quazar but both vape brilliantly for me, it's my 22mm base line and the odin impressed me because it pretty much met almost all the points of a quazar or astron except the domed cap, but at almost half the price....
gotta admit I haven't used an odin in a long time though, not because I don't like it, just that I like a few other things more and can only vape so many atties at a time, it sits in the drawer right beside the derringer
This is why it's so good there's diversity in attys, sincerely you know? A deal breaker for one is nothing to another and vice versa. I don't pull out my mod by the topcap anyway (usually--the only time my D cap came off is when I did by accident) and I take this sucka hiking no issues. The center post is a much bigger thing to me. The nuppin's build design kills it for me, but it's a great atty too and I respect it a lot. Never heard of an astron, wow there's so many attys out there.
GOLDEN time to be a BF'er
and yes you gotta hit up Dready if you like his doors dude...he is beyond being a pleasure to do business with, a great dude
GOLDEN time to be a BF'er
and yes you gotta hit up Dready if you like his doors dude...he is beyond being a pleasure to do business with, a great dude
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