Does anyone make up their own nicotine base (for example...70vg, 30pg, 3mg nic) to add flavors from a recipe? I want to pre make it and then add my flavors to it later. Does it work best in single flavors or can you use multiple?
Pre-mix nicotine base
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I have 4 120ml bottles with my nic base mixed. I add my flavors to the bottle I'm using for my mix ,fill with my nic base and shake.
Does it need to steep longer...say like you add 5 flavors that total 20% flavoring instead of 2 that total 20%.
I generally make 50/50 with 1% nic in a 250ml bottle. I have a 4" needle so I can get most of it out as I need. The last bit I just make a 50ml recipe. It usually works out.
Anyway, for 250ml, it is 123.75ml PG, 123.75ml VG, and 2.5ml 100mg nic. If the total flavoring for the recipe is 18%, then I know that 82% will be base.
Once I did the math the first time, it got a lot easier after that. I still do 30 & 50ml bottles of juice. 250ml of base lasts me the best part of two months.
Having those 55gal. drums of 100mg nic, I hope I am set...
The base, itself, doesn't need to steep. Mix, yes. It is the flavors, and not all at that, that need to steep. I do have to say that I just automatically let everything steep 30 days. No thought involved.
Anyway, for 250ml, it is 123.75ml PG, 123.75ml VG, and 2.5ml 100mg nic. If the total flavoring for the recipe is 18%, then I know that 82% will be base.
Once I did the math the first time, it got a lot easier after that. I still do 30 & 50ml bottles of juice. 250ml of base lasts me the best part of two months.
Having those 55gal. drums of 100mg nic, I hope I am set...
The base, itself, doesn't need to steep. Mix, yes. It is the flavors, and not all at that, that need to steep. I do have to say that I just automatically let everything steep 30 days. No thought involved.
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Sounds easy enough....I like higher vg juice and a higher mix content, but basically the same.
A lot of us pre-mix PG/VG/Nic in bulk (I make 400ml at a time... about a month's worth).
Unless you're mixing various nic levels for friends, or you personally use more than a couple of nic levels yourself... then it doesn't make sense to not pre-mix (keeping two very different pre-mixes doesn't sound difficult).
Just measure your flavors into the bottle, top off with pre-mix and you're done.
Advanced DIYers even pre-mix flavoring combinations that they combine and use frequently.
As long as you know the percentage they would total, it's no different than a single flavor.
Nothing much really happens until the flavor hits the nic.
Up to that point... take all the workable shortcuts you can think of.
I don't get this. If your recipes are fixed and all use the same flavor percentages then that would work. But if you have one recipe that calls for 5% total flavorings and another that runs, say, up to 20% flavorings then your "fixed" ratio of PG, VG and nic is going to come out at different levels depending on the percentage of flavorings you put into that pre-mixed base. Want to add something else like EM or thin it with water? Then your "fixed" base ratios get thrown out of whack even more.
I would suggest running some of your recipes through a calculator first and see what that 70/30/3% actually lands at depending on the percentage of flavor, the flavors use of PG or VG as a carrier, or other ingredients you might consider adding to the recipe.
I would suggest running some of your recipes through a calculator first and see what that 70/30/3% actually lands at depending on the percentage of flavor, the flavors use of PG or VG as a carrier, or other ingredients you might consider adding to the recipe.
Just reading, over time, I see a lot of flexibility in what people accept. A person that is exacting seems inclined to do a lot of calculations, but many also accept minor irregularities.
The one that I notice the most, and I am guilty of it is the nic content. My base has a set nic content, but then it gets "watered" down by flavorings. Raising the nic content in the base is something that I have done, but, then using that base with different percentages of total flavoring influences it also.
It kinda goes back to my thought that I can vape about any nic content, it is just a matter of how often I take a vape. I also, for me, am happy to vape a little more nic or a little less nic.
I just looked at all of my recipes and the average is about 18% flavoring. I guess I could adjust my base nic with that in mind, but that is still an average. Or, I could add the nic when I add the flavorings and base its amount of the size of the total recipe.
Their are all kinds of ways to look at it in my mind. The flavoring percents I am very focused on, though. The amount of each flavoring, working with the others, gives a set flavor. If I do that every time, the flavor should be real close. Obviously, nic has flavor and the amount of nic will influence...
As a DIYer, all these variables and considerations come into play, but I am happy. That is final consideration.
The one that I notice the most, and I am guilty of it is the nic content. My base has a set nic content, but then it gets "watered" down by flavorings. Raising the nic content in the base is something that I have done, but, then using that base with different percentages of total flavoring influences it also.
It kinda goes back to my thought that I can vape about any nic content, it is just a matter of how often I take a vape. I also, for me, am happy to vape a little more nic or a little less nic.
I just looked at all of my recipes and the average is about 18% flavoring. I guess I could adjust my base nic with that in mind, but that is still an average. Or, I could add the nic when I add the flavorings and base its amount of the size of the total recipe.
Their are all kinds of ways to look at it in my mind. The flavoring percents I am very focused on, though. The amount of each flavoring, working with the others, gives a set flavor. If I do that every time, the flavor should be real close. Obviously, nic has flavor and the amount of nic will influence...
As a DIYer, all these variables and considerations come into play, but I am happy. That is final consideration.
I couldn't agree more on the above! VG/PG ratios and also nic, doesn't have to be set in stone, and if you didn't know upfront, you'd be hard-pressed to notice the difference imho, especially VG/PG ratio... With nic, you just as stated vape less or more simply... The only thing that's set in stone, percentage-wise, is the flavoring imho..
Yes....that is my thought as well...i'm not set in stone when it comes to nic....3mg is just a ballpark....I was looking to simplify my mixing...for example, having say 200ml of base ready to add my flavorings in...it doesn't matter to me if it comes out at something else than 3mg nic...my recipes won't dilute it that much anyway...I really appreciate all the comments...vape on!!
It will depend on the set-ups and settings you use too, regarding nic levels. After coming from factory coils in tanks at 6mg nic and going to a rta with rayon wicking after 2 or 3 good toots I would be nic sick.
I simply diluted a bottle of my mix 100% with PG to bring the level down. It gave me 2 bottles or twice as much to vape I like throat hit and diluting with only PG didn't really effect the flavour much.
Now I can toot on it all I want, no probs.
I simply diluted a bottle of my mix 100% with PG to bring the level down. It gave me 2 bottles or twice as much to vape
I like throat hit and diluting with only PG didn't really effect the flavour much.Now I can toot on it all I want, no probs.
70/30/3 mg it'll be 2.70 mg with 10% flavoring. Personally, I can't tell the difference between 2.70 and 3, so I don't worry about my premix being a little off. If I were worried about being on the high side of 3mg, I'd premix at 70/30/4 or 4.5 mg.
It's your flavors that need to steep, not your nic. Why don't pre-mix your flavors, then add PG/VG/nic when ready. Essentially the opposite to what you're doing. Doing it your way, your final strength is somewhere around 3mg or less, and it ends up less than your 70/30.
Because premix is universal to all flavors whereas blending flavors for each recipe can be annoying and you'd need a bunch made instead of one + the steeping issue isn't lessened I think as that's about getting the flavors penetrate properly the PG/VG and nic...
I'm gonna give it a shot and see...personally I think the steep time for the finished product won't change much.
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