Pre-vet workshop thread

[morri]

Kat, I just loving your lil baby bird avatar!

so adorable!
morri

And a good afternoon in here...

*back to my corner*

 

[tiburonfirst]

CAN... is not the same as optimal for you guys... I used to work for a company (Origin systems) that had many online volunteers that provided assistance to other players online. Many of those volunteers would burn themselves out (even though it was doing something they enjoyed) due to the pressure of having to be somewhere at scheduled times... I do not want to see you guys do the same to yourselves... and the discussion sounds as if many of you have been over the first 6 months of the year.

However, I really AM trying not to post much in here, because other than one turning (my own) I do not have to live with the results... and quite frankly... I am more interested in the party and thread (I think my wife will love looking at the pictures) than I am interested in the contest entry/entries.

very true - that's why we are here regrouping! especially since most of us were not asked beforehand if the ''exact time'' rule was acceptable.
with including the flexibility we are working on now, i have high hopes that a mutually acceptable time can be found. some of our prevets turning at odd times had no idea why they joined at such an hour a year ago!

 

[AttyPops]

owie. OK the ones here are safe and I won't move them, but I need to find a better way to organize them for the future, because they are just
ALL OVER THE FREAKING PLACE!!! In my photobucket account, that is. LMAO

huggles
morri

p.s. thought we were going to have a nice, quiet day in here.... What happened?

What do you use photobucket for...unless you're making customizing pics? You can "hot link them" most of the time.
[IMG]http://www.TheImageURLgoesHere.whatever[/IMG]
So you only need photobucket or whatever if you have "custom" pics. The image button in the button bar for quick reply puts the [IMG][/IMG] tags in for you (but you usually have to un-check the little box...or file size exceeded message appears).

p.s. thought we were going to have a nice, quiet day in here.... What happened?

Hey. Don't start! I wasn't even here this time. Also, after posting a comment this morning and finding suggestions to relax... I, for one, stayed in my corner very well today.

 

[Katya]

Right on the money, Atty. I hotlink everything. I gave up on the photobucket a long time ago--not worth the time and effort it takes.

 

[Katya]

Kat, I just loving your lil baby bird avatar!

so adorable!
morri

Why thank you, dearie! It was a gift from my friend Kent C, who is THE master of finding the best pictures, smileys and gifs, and is also an accomplished photographer himself.

Thank you, Kent!

BTW, Morri, your new avatar is beautiful!

 

[morri]

Please note: my friend Autumnwolf came in the early morning and wants to be added. She wants a big party with spirit wolves and things. I am soooo excited!

her date is aug 11, and she will be checking back with us.

morri

<<other thread>>

 

[morri]

thank you and you are welcome. I love baby critters, I just love to sit and watch them. I am going to have to drag out the bad ... camera I have out and take some photos. lol

Why thank you, dearie! It was a gift from my friend Kent C, who is THE master of finding the best pictures, smileys and gifs, and is also an accomplished photographer himself.

Thank you, Kent!

BTW, Morri, your new avatar is beautiful!

 

[tiburonfirst]

morri - please don't mention a date unless you looked it up!

 

[tiburonfirst]

PMs notifying PreVets that they are approaching veteran status will not be sent out. Members must make it to the PreVet thread on their own, or with the help of a friend.

Please read the First Post in the PreVet thread for additional information.

Welcome to the ECF Pre-Vet thread!

And, as an added bonus, celebrating your special day with us entitles you to an entry in the Veteran 2012 Contest!

You can find further information here:http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/contests/256629-veteran-2012-contest.html

Times for our turnings are all Eastern and looked up by an ECF Moderator.
Dates are checked by at least two people but, when dealing with different time zones and the forum software not recognizing leap year, mistakes can happen.

If you don't see yourself listed, or don't see a theme listed for your day and you want one, let us know.
Your presence on the PreVet thread is required if you requested an Avatar Party. Please, join us in advance of your turning time and enjoy the celebration


June

June 25 - VapingTurtle - (12:23 = 12:25 PM) Avatar Party: Turtles and Cowgirls {tib}
June 30 - rel322 - (23:38 = 12:25 AM)Avatar Party: Wolves {Fran}
Attn West Coast Crew - this turning will happen 9:25 pm your time on the 29th

July
July 08 - carpedebass - (19:08 = 7:25 PM) *Avatar Party: Fishing and Pretty Women {Catt}
July 09 - rkayw - (23:28 = 12 25 AM ) Avatar Party: Blue Butterflies (Thyroid Awareness) {starry}
Attn West Coast Crew - this turning will happen 9:25 pm your time on the 8th
July 09 - LauraBolyard - (18:05 = 6:25 PM) Avatar Party: Her PhotoBucket pictures here in conjunction with baby polar animals{Whiskey}
July 11 - Jefferson62 - (14:04 = 2:25 PM) Avatar Party: Chihuahuas, Exotic Cars & Women {Whiskey}
July 13 - Shannon65 - (4:51 = 5:25 AM) Avatar Party : Chris Rene & his music
July 15 - bully mom - (20:31 = 9:25 PM) Avatar Party: Anything Bulldog {CES}
July 15 - milo hobo - (9:20 = 9:25 AM) Avatar Party: Meditation gardens/groves {Fran}
July 17 - JustaGuy - (21:30 = 10:25 PM) Avatar Party: Star-crossed lovers {JJ}
July 20 - Allazar - (6:22 = 6:25 AM) Avatar Party: Alphonse Mucha {Katya}
July 20 - Airborn3 - (18:57 = 7:25 PM) Avatar Party: Muscle cars {CES}
July 24 - Woody55 - (10:01 = 10:25 AM) Avatar Party: Sheriff Woody or ''anything Texan" {tib}
July 28 - Sundrinkr - (16:39 = 5:25 PM) Avatar Party: Funny,Jokes, and Quotes {JAG}
July 29 - krazynavybiker - (12:48 = 1:25 PM) Avatar Party: Girls on bikes {Meggers}

August
August 17 - AutumnWolf - Avatar Party: Spirit Wolves {Fran?} >>>>> time needed
August 21 - paislia -Avatar Party: >>>>>>> time needed
August 28 - DoubleHelix - Avatar Party: Your childhood cartoon characters >>>>> time needed



Please, note: Anniversaries & Birthdays are now kept separate from Pre-vet list

 

[tiburonfirst]

i like this summary

Thank you tibby for all the hard work. I'm sure your typing finger got real sore today!

OK gang. I'm summarizing what I understand so far:

So. jj2, j0ker (everyone): this is what I'm hearing.

When it comes to the pre-vet thread, it's for people that have not turned but will turn soon. Hence "PRE-vet". It was that way before there was a contest. It's still that way. We do often post congrats messages if someone pops in after turning (like a polite "congrats to you!") but we don't schedule any parties or, as far as I know, open any PVT welcome threads for them.

That's why we're writing this up this way.... it's from a pre-vet perspective.
If you want to "open the contest to anyone that turns in that month" go ahead. We cannot comment on what you do with the contest. We can comment on what we do with pre-vets and how it may relate to the contest... giving our opinions.

So, you could decide to open up the contest by using something other than a pre-vet welcome-thread. However, our pre-vet welcome threads are used for our purposes within the thread.

There are others that open their own welcome threads. Still others have threads opened by other vets. (I think). OK. jj2 accepts those (with conditions, IDK). I'm not sure we need to comment on it much. We have, as points of discussion, considered how we could make welcome threads after the fact and/or hold an avatar party after the fact. Out of fairness to those we have already turned down in the last 5/6 months....we'd like to keep PRE-vet thread creation (by us, by request of the pre-vet) as "prior to turning" for what we do.

However that doesn't limit the contest... unless you tie it to our process exclusively. So if you want to open it up ...fine by us.

Things that created the most problems for us:
Grand Prize entry requiring pre-vet presence at a particular turning time (I think it's defined as earliest-possible-turning-time = 365 days after their join date/time at the next 25 minutes after the hour)...and it could not be rescheduled.

We've suggested that Grand Prize not be tied to avatar parties. An end-of-year bonus drawing is an additional "perk" for those that attend an avatar party in the PVT. It's a small incentive to encourage participation and get people to check out the PVT. Still clarifying that one. The scheduling is more open. Our understanding is that the forum won't "turn" them if they don't log in. So we use that to re-schedule the turnings with the pre-vet's help (by their not logging in until a mutually agreed upon prearranged time).

I assume there is some form of grievance process for those that feel slighted after all these revisions, and any additional contest revisions, are made.

CES is currently tracking the text to our "what we would like to see" post.

I'd like to know what the complaints are now, if any, so we can make sure we attempt to address them if they pertain to us.

Wow everyone, you guys posted a bunch while I was trying to type this. Did I get anywhere close?

Atty, that sounds accurate...if you add the short & sweet summary of how it is now, and how we'd like to be i think we've got it!

and ces'

how it works now....

1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum prior to turning. (In practice it has always come through PVT. )

2. avatar party- must request and be present on the PVT thread at the exact time they will turn into ecf vets, times provided by classy, any deviations from the original timing or absence during the turning results in disqualification from the entry for the grand prize.

(plus the specific mechanics if needed)

what we want
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests and the year –end grand prize drawing. Eligible threads will started in the new vets welcome forum prior to turning, either by us or a sponsoring vet. The welcome thread request shouldcome through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT by either by the sponsoring vet or the prevet . Threads must be started prior to turning in the new vets' welcome forum and cannot be self-started

2. Avatar parties: the welcome threads of those who schedule avatar parties in advance and attend them are eligible for entry into a bonus drawing at the end of the year. The party can be rescheduled from the forum default time without penalty. However, the new vet MUST be present at the time of their turning to be eligible for the bonus drawing.

(in practice this means that threads marked -- are eligible for the GP drawing, however only ++ threads are eligible for the bonus drawing)
(mechanics not yet defined, but may require postig within a give time frame prior and after the scheduled turning time)

(if joker can't add a bonus drawing, then a bonus entry into the GP drawing would be the second choice option).

Yes:
CES, Katya, Whiskey, TomCatt, Tibs, Atty (though he prefers the second choice option) (Tibs is voting Fran’s proxy so that’s a Yes vote for Fran) Morri , Mark, Nat (katya now has Nat’s proxy too)

“amnesty”, meaning that welcome threads from Jan1 used as contest entries but marked with -- are eligible for the grand prize drawing. yes: Katya, CES, Tibs, Mark

 

[tiburonfirst]

let's see if we can finalize and submit atty's summary and ces' cliff notes today. it looks to me as if our votes are unanimous, except for one yellow bird who would love to include the whole wide world in the contest! . but that's par for the course when big-hearted, generous people are allowed to voice their opinions!

we really need to move along on this and get back to the topic of list placement. with all this traffic in here i've had to stash the list some other place trying to avoid hunting for it and possibly pulling up a prior edition.

 

[CES]

I kind of like where you're stashing the list Tibs

And the edits to the cliff notes. I guess the next thing is to put the cliff notes and summaryy into a single post and pm a link to j0ker for feedback?

 

[tiburonfirst]

we can use my post above where both are quoted unless there's more input from others

 

[CES]

we can use my post above where both are quoted unless there's more input from others

yep....i wasn't sure if atty had more to add, but here's a combination of the two. attribution and votes removed: it can be edited further, or someone (atty?) can PM a link to this post (or the futher edited version) to j0ker

Summary so far

When it comes to the pre-vet thread, it's for people that have not turned but will turn soon. Hence "PRE-vet". It was that way before there was a contest. It's still that way. We do often post congrats messages if someone pops in after turning (like a polite "congrats to you!") but we don't schedule any parties or, as far as I know, open any PVT welcome threads for them.

That's why we're writing this up this way.... it's from a pre-vet perspective.
If you want to "open the contest to anyone that turns in that month" go ahead. We cannot comment on what you do with the contest. We can comment on what we do with pre-vets and how it may relate to the contest... giving our opinions.

So, you could decide to open up the contest by using something other than a pre-vet welcome-thread. However, our pre-vet welcome threads are used for our purposes within the thread.

There are others that open their own welcome threads. Still others have threads opened by other vets. (I think). OK. jj2 accepts those (with conditions, IDK). I'm not sure we need to comment on it much. We have, as points of discussion, considered how we could make welcome threads after the fact and/or hold an avatar party after the fact. Out of fairness to those we have already turned down in the last 5/6 months....we'd like to keep PRE-vet thread creation (by us, by request of the pre-vet) as "prior to turning" for what we do.

However that doesn't limit the contest... unless you tie it to our process exclusively. So if you want to open it up ...fine by us.

Things that created the most problems for us:
Grand Prize entry requiring pre-vet presence at a particular turning time (I think it's defined as earliest-possible-turning-time = 365 days after their join date/time at the next 25 minutes after the hour)...and it could not be rescheduled.

We've suggested that Grand Prize not be tied to avatar parties. An end-of-year bonus drawing is an additional "perk" for those that attend an avatar party in the PVT. It's a small incentive to encourage participation and get people to check out the PVT. Still clarifying that one. The scheduling is more open. Our understanding is that the forum won't "turn" them if they don't log in. So we use that to re-schedule the turnings with the pre-vet's help (by their not logging in until a mutually agreed upon prearranged time).

I assume there is some form of grievance process for those that feel slighted after all these revisions, and any additional contest revisions, are made.

We'd like to know what the complaints are now, if any, so we can make sure we attempt to address them if they pertain to us.


how it works now....

1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum prior to turning. (In practice it has always come through PVT. )

2. avatar party- must request and be present on the PVT thread at the exact time they will turn into ecf vets, times provided by classy, any deviations from the original timing or absence during the turning results in disqualification from the entry for the grand prize.

(more specific mechanics can be added if needed)

what we want
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests and the year –end grand prize drawing. Eligible threads will started in the new vets welcome forum prior to turning, either by us or a sponsoring vet. The welcome thread request shouldcome through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT by either by the sponsoring vet or the prevet . Threads must be started prior to turning in the new vets' welcome forum and cannot be self-started

2. Avatar parties: the welcome threads of those who schedule avatar parties in advance and attend them are eligible for entry into a bonus drawing at the end of the year. The party can be rescheduled from the forum default time without penalty. However, the new vet MUST be present at the time of their turning to be eligible for the bonus drawing. (mechanics not yet defined, but may require posting within a give time frame prior to and after the scheduled turning time)

new wording
(in practice this means that threads marked -- are eligible for the GP drawing, however only ++ threads are eligible for the bonus drawing. We'd like to have an amnesty, meaning that all that welcome threads started from from Jan1, 2012 posted in the contest entry thread, but marked with -- are eligible for the grand prize drawing, and all welcome threads, from Jan1, 2012 posted in the contest entry thread, marked with ++ are eligible for the bonus drawing

(if adding a bonus drawing is not an option, then a bonus entry into the GP drawing would be the second choice).

 

[morri]

morri - please don't mention a date unless you looked it up!

oh, you mean for Autumnwolf, I just mentioned it because that is what she told me.

 

[tiburonfirst]

oh, you mean for Autumnwolf, I just mentioned it because that is what she told me.

ok - but before you mention it here - doublecheck! AW joined last year on 8-18, adjusted for leap year 8-17. maybe she was talking about being smoke free since 8-11??????

 

[morri]

ok - but before you mention it here - doublecheck! AW joined last year on 8-18, adjusted for leap year 8-17. maybe she was talking about being smoke free since 8-11??????

KK Tibs

 

[tiburonfirst]

i need a place where i don't have to hunt for it going through pages and pages and where we can eliminate the switch-outs. if i do the updates, whis has to come and find it.

at the very least it needs it's own dedicated thread where you (or a couple of people) have editing ability. Maybe, since you and Whis actually know what it takes to maintain and update the list, you should come up with a list of what's needed so that it doesn't fall on just the two of you. Once the requirements are identified, THEN it could go to committee, and to admin, because it's going to require a specific location and giving some limited mod powers in that location.

do me a favor and post that list in the discussion group and then provide a link to see how it looks ......

any list edition will do - i just want to see if you provide a specific link if all can see even if it is a closed group

and yup - that's a good one

Tibs, the list is too long....

if i want to preserve the formatting even the introductory section is over the limit. keeping the list in a group is a no go

ok - no more worries about social groups then - one option out of the window

wonder, if i and others could get editing in the sandbox. probably not - i imagine everybody is tired of us

google docs here we come out of necessity!

for atty etal

who among us has a google account?

 

[AttyPops]

OK so 1000 char limit means no storing the list in a group (useless things...).

Let's request a "Celebrations" sub-forum. We already have a success stories one. Why not one where they want to "party"...including vet-hood?

CES and Tibby. Your wording on the timing for the "what happens now" is still incorrect. We have had some people "there" in the thread when they turned because they logged on "sometime" and showed up randomly. But that's not what you mean.....

I think.

 

[jj2]

Has there been anymore done on the revisions. If so could I see.

If done, when does jOker look at them?