Pre-vet workshop thread

[tiburonfirst]

as far as i can see, pvt can either oblige or let the chips fall where they may.

nano apparently was in central time and came by pvt an hour late, so did insanemaniac. their status changed before the night crew's eyes but it wasn't good enough.

if grand prizes can be tiered then this would have to come from j0ker

 

[tiburonfirst]

I'm not discussing past rule violations Tibby. I'm not responsible if jj or j0ker don't follow their own rules.

If the vet turns (as indicated by their status change in the forum software), they are there, and we have the planned fireworks, they are eligible according to the existing rules. Unless A) I've missed some rules posted elsewhere, or B) there's other stuff I don't know about. In either case, I'm asking for clarification.

atty - the rules given are not clear. too much talk about nonsense and no nittygritty. i've had prevets question me ''but where does it say''

 

[tiburonfirst]

hiya, miss frannie!

 

[jj2]

What people (jj and ?j0ker?) may not be aware of is that "the exact time" and "turning time" can be ...um...controlled... by not logging in.

So if the ECF Software says you're not a vet at 8:24 a.m and you're there and at 8:25 a.m. it says you're a vet... you've met the requirements IMO. The software concurs. It doesn't matter that we initially thought it was going to be 6:25 a.m. but you rescheduled ahead of time. There's fireworks at 8:25 and you're there and your status changed.

Atty, the voice of reason.

If jOker has no problem with this I don't either. And I don't mean to put him on the spot, he is just living by what he said at the beginning: Once set then that is the way it is.
And keep in mind, there was three of us allowed in there to discuss this. I'm not saying this to lay blame at any ones feet, I'm saying it because at the time, we all agreed to it---or at least didn't disagree.

In fact if you all want to call this a modification, then it can be tried. If no one notices, no harm no fowl.

And Katya is right. Things need to change to where it's done on PreVets time schedule. During the day, someone is usually about but I have felt sorry for those late night people. Especially when they were there and it was a no show or it was a guest who showed at the very last minute.

Atty: the two/three/four set times to have the celebrations during the day is genius and so is them just posting "I am here" if no one is about. What ever you all decided to, since I've joined the ranks of Everybody Is Welcome, I will join in when I can.

 

[tiburonfirst]

lol, jj - coming from somebody who told me '' they can take the day off'' that is a nice turnaround

 

[AttyPops]

I keep saying... we all need to be on the same page as to HOW it works with the ECF software so we can abide by the unchanged rules.

Now, I think that it's a good point... if they are an hour late becuase they can't read or compute Eastern Standard Time... IDK. If their status changes in front of everyone's eyes, and they post fireworks, does that still count?

Clarification on such things is required.

However, if it's PLANNED to change a 9:25 a.m. (even tho the forum would have changed them at 3:25 a.m. had they logged in) and they are there, and they change in front of everyone, and there's fireworks.... that should count.

 

[FranC]

Hopefully this can be worked out so we don't "lose" anyone.

 

[AttyPops]

I did disagree jj. And was ignored. That's water under the bridge.

In fact if you all want to call this a modification, then it can be tried. If no one notices, no harm no fowl.

I don't see it as a modification. It's a clarification. That's my point.

I don't think y'all are on the same page as to how the forum software "turns" people. I don't want you guys violating your own published rules because of a misunderstanding or communication problem.

 

[tiburonfirst]

atty, best to pm j0ker and get his input as to the rules the way they are written now. there is enough ambiguity to make him see the point.
i just don't know how to explain that to the ones already turned if they pick up on it

 

[whiskey]

JJ2..........

I still can't figure out where you come from being the one speaking for J0ker on these things.
just who appointed you to enforce or act like you call the shots...this has been the problem all along, its a group effort, contests intertwined with Pre-vets then it becomes all of us talking about rules & changes.
You would not listen when we tried to iron this out many times, then you kick us out of the group we set up because some of us did not like your ideas, well now you see just what this has caused...From now on I'd like you to stay out of this one... lets get J0ker to chime in at our suggestions please.

 

[jj2]

I did disagree jj. And was ignored. That's water under the bridge.


I don't see it as a modification. It's a clarification. That's my point.

I don't think y'all are on the same page as to how the forum software "turns" people. I don't want you guys violating your own published rules because of a misunderstanding or communication problem.

Atty I'm not going to argue past or choice of words. I'm just willing to try.

 

[AttyPops]

atty, best to pm j0ker and get his input as to the rules they way they are written now. there is enough ambiquity to make him see the point.
i just don't know how to explain that to the ones already turned if they pick up on it

I think we need to review those cases. For the people that are "out to sea" during their turning time... that may just be "bad luck". IDK. I don't know how long the software will "put off" turning them.

Remember there is only a potential issue. J0ker picks a random #. IF that number falls on an inelligible pre-vet contestant and IF that contestant would have been eligible... rather than just "skipping out/forgetting"... that's the only time we would even have an issue. Two "Ifs" already. Chances are... won't be a serious issue. However I admit that's a crap shoot. So we need to review...at least for those that were there during their turning and we had fireworks but it didn't match the time on the list for some reason.

 

[tiburonfirst]

I think we need to review those cases. For the people that are "out to sea" during their turning time... that may just be "bad luck". IDK. I don't know how long the software will "put off" turning them.

they will stay ''unturned'' indefinitely as long as they don't sign on ....

 

[jj2]

J2..........

I still can't figure out where you come from being the one speaking for J0ker on these things.
just who appointed you to enforce or act like you call the shots...this has been the problem all along, its a group effort, contests intertwined with Pre-vets then it becomes all of us talking about rules & changes.
You would not listen when we tried to iron this out many times, then you kick us out of the group we set up because some of us did not like your ideas, well now you see just what this has caused...From now on I'd like you to stay out of this one... lets get J0ker to chime in at our suggestions please.

A lot of history here and not going to get into who is to blame for what and then get on the defensive again. It's time to stop playing the who said this and who said that game to vent frustration. Let's put the past in the past where it belongs. I know that I've had some down time from this to recoup, now maybe it's time for you take a step back for a breather. Everyone here will give you all the time you need.

 

[whiskey]

I have sent a PM to J0ker to come and give his input...his input is needed here.

AND I hope Classy pipes in too.

I'm sorry JJ, thats not going to happen...

 

[CES]

Good morning. I love all y'all, but I'm not going down this road again. The problems have been identified. Good suggestions have been made and clarification requested. Once we know what is possible now, I'll decide my level of participation.

 

[AttyPops]

Morning CES.

The rules (from jj's link) say this:

To get into the Big Grand Prize drawing, you must have an Avatar Party and you have to participate and you have to be on the PreVet thread when you turn and when the fireworks go off!!!
If by chance the forum is down (not your internet) when you were suppose to turn during an Avatar Party, you will be Eligible for the Big Grand Prize.

Are there any other rules posted elsewhere, and do they say the same thing?

 

[tiburonfirst]

pvt needs the clarification to carry on ....... ''going down that road again'' is where my decision came from

i'll see y'all later -

 

[whiskey]

Good morning. I love all y'all, but I'm not going down this road again. The problems have been identified. Good suggestions have been made and clarification requested. Once we know what is possible now, I'll decide my level of participation.

I guess your post made the most sense for me...I jump on this band wagon...we have 2

 

[CES]

Atty, those are the only published rules that I'm aware of.