Premium Cartos Technical Errata Part1

[jzr1024]

as suspected......

• the main wire IS a lower gauge (thicker wire) than the original.
• the Batting (stuffing) is as thick as a shotgun shell wad.
• the first hint of burnt taste....toss the carto. it's ruined.
• the wick wire attached to the main wire is still the same gauge.

so.....for those who analog'd in the bathroom at high school......i'm guilty of this myself.....i wish i knew more. But, that's why i have you folks!

thicker wire means less resistance. less resistance means more current. (thin wire is a 2 lane road and thicker wire is a 4 lane super highway....so on and so on.

the "pop" i suspect maaaaayyyyyyyyy be the current's defiance going from the thicker gauge wire to the same thin original wick wire. if i am correct the pop comes from an overload on the wick wire. please by all means jump in on this and add your electrical knowledge.

the wick......heat sync? there is a little more wick in there. seems to be the exact same material and weave though. my eyes could be playing tricks. i'll look again when i butcher the next carto. i was only after the main wire this time to satisfy the "i need to know".

electricity generates heat......you would think that the wick wire would break due to the surge of higher heat. it doesn't though surprisingly. By increasing the current did we create a quicker hotter burn or a slower more powerful burn?

the carto wadding.....there is a lot of it and it is in there tight. i could not coax it out with the tweezers.....i had to pry it out.

burnt wadding.....i just took only two hits of burnt taste. it did more than enough damage to the wadding which also left a thicker than usual deposit on the center of the wick where the wick wire is coiled around. done.....toss it.....unless you like taste of charcoal with you favorite flavor.

so....anyone help me with this.....why wasn't the wick wire gauge changed?

~jeff

 

[Brandnew vper]

Maybe thats the problem leaford was talking about. And i guess they are coming out with ultimate cartomizers! MAybe thats what they will change?

 

[aubergine]

Damn. I did think it was just seeds...

 

[aubergine]

The premiums burn hot, no getting around it. I have slowed down my chain vaping on passthru. I toast 'em too easily. But they're good.

 

[nbourbaki]

Jeff, I wonder how much current each battery size can put out. My passthrough rig can put out 1.5a so I burn through a premium in no time. But it's great while it lasts. Less pop with the batteries.

 

[jzr1024]

Maybe thats the problem leaford was talking about. And i guess they are coming out with ultimate cartomizers! MAybe thats what they will change?

what was "Q" talking about? i missed something somewhere. are you talking about the same thin wick wire? hey, he's in Shenzen now so if he could wrap it up V4L can claim the mountain uncontested.

see, i don't know enough about electricity.....just enough to get by. if you are using a thicker wire now soldered to the same thin wire.......why not use the new thick wire all the way to the wick? unless there was something specific regarding the "need" for the thinner wire? the thick wire is the negative connection and the thin wick wire is the positive connection.

regardless if the battery is automatic or manual...you are just closing the connection with it and sending the power. IS MORE power needed if the thick wire was used in it's entirety and eliminating the thin wire?

correct me if i'm wrong but regardless of wire gauge this current design model is actually a short circuit or ground fault? these two types generate more heat in shorter time because they are "incorrect".

WOW! this is getting intense!

~jeff

 

[nbourbaki]

electricity generates heat......you would think that the wick wire would break due to the surge of higher heat. it doesn't though surprisingly. By increasing the current did we create a quicker hotter burn or a slower more powerful burn?

Resistance generates heat, it works on the principle of Joule heating (i.e. an electric current through a resistor converts electrical energy into heat energy)

 

[spaky]

Man reading this thread is really disappointing to me. I was hoping that with these new premium cartos that the burnt filler problem would be taken care of. So many people on here love cartos that I would like to get into them if they produce more vapor and won't burn the filler. Guess I'll be waiting for the next improvement before taking the plunge.

 

[LastOutlaw]

I have my first box of premium cartos and from what I'm reading I don't think I'm going to like them in the long run.
Here are my reasons so far:
While more vapor, and flavor is nice, I was pretty happy with the output of the old cartos.
If I'm sacrificing how long my cartos last I'm not into it.
If I can't wash them out due to caps being glued in I think my reuse is drastically reduced.
So they burn juice faster therefore causing my overall use as well as my cost to go up. Not liking that idea either especially since I was happy with the old style carts.
If you burn up the carts as soon as you taste the burnt flavor then I suspect I will ruin many more cartos than I used to leaving them not refillable at all.
Sacrificing all this for a bit more vapor and stronger flavor doesn't seem worth it to me.

Personally I'd like to keep the old washable re-usable style cartos

 

[jzr1024]

Resistance generates heat, it works on the principle of Joule heating (i.e. an electric current through a resistor converts electrical energy into heat energy)

this is going beyond intense now....loving it!

help me out here.....does the positive and negative current collide? i would think yes because the battery has it's positive and negative pole seperated and the connection gets closed with the switch so at the wick coil WHAMO, epicenter of heat? from what i just read on Joule it seems off to me because the premium cartos now have less resistance due to the thicker negative wire.

or does current travel in one direction? if so,is it positive to negative or vice versa? i guess what i'm trying to say is the positive wick wire feeding the negative wire or the opposite?

~jeff

 

[LastOutlaw]

There has to be a load device in the circuit ( light bulb filament etc) or the whole thing melts down.
In our case the load device is the wick in the carto.

Also pos and neg dont collide it is more like a circle.

Always think of electricity like water running thru pipes. If you close the end ( closing the spigot. ) the water goes nowhere. If you open the spigot the water runs through. ( a closed spigot can be considered an open circuit or a broken wire so to speak...no return path to ground and nothing flows.)

 

[timothy]

this is going beyond intense now....loving it!

help me out here.....does the positive and negative current collide? i would think yes because the battery has it's positive and negative pole seperated and the connection gets closed with the switch so at the wick coil WHAMO, epicenter of heat?

or does current travel in one direction? if so,is it positive to negative or vice versa? i guess what i'm trying to say is the positive wick wire feeding the negative wire or the opposite?

current flows one way just like in your race car.
the smaller wire is like a fusable link it will heat with so much current if to much is applyed it will fail at the weak link or burn out. your defroster to the winshield has a resistor coil like this too. at least on my 72 challenger it has one where the fan switch hooks to before going to the fan motor never knew it was there untill it failed

 

[jzr1024]

my 72 challenger

MOPARS 4 EVER TIM!

somehow i ended up with a 2.7 02 intrepid and a 00 base plymouth neon. the neon does pretty well though in SCCA Rallycross. well....i rocked on gravel and buried it into the ice age on snow.

hey...what can i say....snow is soft....what damage could possibly happen so i put it to the panel AND RAN OUT OF TALENT!

~jazzytime

 

[jzr1024]

ok back on task.....before Tim makes me go rent "Vanishing Point".

did some reading and current flow is + to - // electron flow is - to +

the thicker wire is throwing the power and the thin wick wire is causing the bottleneck creating the heat.

WAS this design model relative to the shotgun size wad and OR just a tweak to squeeze a little more in one shot for a hotter burn?

ya know how some say flavors vape better at higher volts....5v as opposed to 3.7 so on and so on.

i did notice my manual battery ran out quicker.

the shotgun wad....thicker for a little more juice you think?

AND....was the formulas REALLY adjusted?

~jeff

 

[timothy]

i have 99 neon dhoc fun lil car like a gocart blast to drive
i dont have a premum cart to tear apart too look at. took apart a reg cart a while back so i cant compare if the coil is actualy longer with thinner coil wire or same size seems like if it was longer and thinner it would put out more heat quicker hence faster vape but i may be wrong.
on the filler you would think you would want the filler to be more fluffy to wick better too tight and it would burn before using all the liquid ???? anyone ??

 

[jzr1024]

i have 99 neon dhoc fun lil car like a gocart blast to drive

the 1st gen neons were the best choice because of being lighter. the ACR was 400 pounds lighter. you can cheat real well with 'em by tossing in a CraneCam#10 and wack a few millimeters off the head. awesome results all the way around and real uhhhhh noticeble results on circle track 4cyl stock class. we run the inner oval here at one of the local tracks so your going in 2nd gear the whole time ripping at 5500 rpms average. it's funny because people think the plant is gonna launch right outta the engine bay.

~jeff

 

[leaford]

I am forwarding this entire thread to our engineers!

 

[pggylb]

I am forwarding this entire thread to our engineers!

Wow. I am more and more impressed by V4L each time I visit thus forum. Never have I seen a company's owners, executives, and developers scour forums for user reviews to improve product quality and stay in constant contact with their customers. Makes me feel like I'm actually a part of the organization instead of just a customer.

But, a question about the premos. With the analysis in this thread, was purchasing 3 boxes a mistake? I'm new to refilling. I refill when I notice a loss of flavor; is this too late before a burn out? And hubby is completely inexperienced with cartos. Was making a premo purchase not a good choice for him?

 

[jzr1024]

Wow. I am more and more impressed by V4L each time I visit thus forum. Never have I seen a company's owners, executives, and developers scour forums for user reviews to improve product quality and stay in constant contact with their customers. Makes me feel like I'm actually a part of the organization instead of just a customer.

But, a question about the premos. With the analysis in this thread, was purchasing 3 boxes a mistake? I'm new to refilling. I refill when I notice a loss of flavor; is this too late before a burn out? And hubby is completely inexperienced with cartos. Was making a premo purchase not a good choice for him?

i just answered you in your other post <lol>

~jeff

 

[jzr1024]

I am forwarding this entire thread to our engineers!

see....awesome V4L crew. "Q" is there 4 a reason....good stuff kids!

or they have a few Dodges laying around and their gonna try racing.

~racecar spelled backwards is racecar