Premix All But the VG

[chuck333]

Can I mix everything in the recipe except the VG, let it steep and then, when I want, just add the amount of VG called for in the recipe? Do I need to steep it all together? Maybe steep it a couple of days after adding the VG? What's your take on this? I want to mix up 750ml. My scale only goes to 200g. If I premix everything except the VG I'm at about 170g. If I can let it steep like that I won't need a big ... bottle taking up space until I want to actually finish it either.

 

[colonelcolt]

You can but...
The whole point in steeping is to help flavouring to dissolve in VG.
Choice is yours...

If you have extra bottle\jar\whatever, you can measure and weight your VG in parts and then mix it all into bigger bottle.

 

[jambi]

Sure, you can premix just the flavorings, or flavors and PG. It's a fast method for weighing out large total volumes into small bottles, so it'll definitely speed up the mixing process. But I don't believe it will cut down on steep time, as in "Add VG and vape", if that's what you're trying to accomplish. The VG is the steep-dependent element, best to mix it all together, get it on and get it over with.

Low capacity scales are a hassle, but you can make your 750 ml bottle by just weighing the VG in increments and adding a portion at a time to the big bottle. But if you're doing 750 ml batches, why not just get a more suitable scale?

 

[greenmachine17]

I think steeping should be all together..to blend evenly..mix %'s of pg,flavor,nic then add vg. No big deal..I don't see why not..
I'm not an expert, but I thought it makes sense..

 

[greenmachine17]

Hi..I kno this is probably not the way steeping is done anymore, but,
Fresh juice can be quick steeped,without getting upset an stomach and totally disgusting taste, by cooking a pot of rice and taking the bottle of juice and putting it in the already cooked rice..no flame. Lol..really. I've done it. Had to reheat rice a few times..but it worked..
I've also left it in my truck console a hot day and voila ,actually tasted good. .soooo.
(30ml) wouldn't do that w large amt..

 

[zoiDman]

Can I mix everything in the recipe except the VG, let it steep and then, when I want, just add the amount of VG called for in the recipe? Do I need to steep it all together? Maybe steep it a couple of days after adding the VG? What's your take on this? I want to mix up 750ml. My scale only goes to 200g. If I premix everything except the VG I'm at about 170g. If I can let it steep like that I won't need a big ... bottle taking up space until I want to actually finish it either.

You could. But you might/probably are Defeating the purpose of "Steeping". So then you would be right back to Square One.

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When you Think about it, do you really need the +/- 0.01 gram theoretical accuracy your Scale gives you when Measuring the VG? Or would something like this work to Measuring the VG?

https://www.amazon.com/Science-Meas...95&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=science+mesuring+set

And if you Don't have any Graduated Cylinders or Graduated Beakers laying around, why couldn't you just weigh out 145ml of VG Four Times?

BTW - Why do you want to make such a Large Mix in One Shot?

 

[chuck333]

That's all good advice. Thanks everyone. I think I'll just get my 750ml container and a 50ml container and measure (weigh) my ingredients one by one in the 50 and add them to the 750 and then fill it with VG to steep.

 

[SteveS45]

I would like to add when using heat you should never exceed 150°F because that is the temperature Nicotine starts to degrade. I use heat to speed infusion but I am extremely careful that the temperature never exceeds 150°F.

 

[chuck333]

I would like to add when using heat you should never exceed 150°F because that is the temperature Nicotine starts to degrade. I use heat to speed infusion but I am extremely careful that the temperature never exceeds 150°F.

I have never used heat. I use time instead. That's the only thing I have lots of.

 

[Wheelin247]

I made a one shot recipe of one of my juices. I mixed the flavors I needed into a 120ml bottle and whenever I need to make a juice I just pull the amount needed from the bottle and put it in another 120ml bottle then add nic and VG. I wouldn't mix everything together then add VG later cause the whole part about steeping is to allow flavors to mix in with the VG and create the more intense, full bodied flavor you want out of your juice.

Your choice though.


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[greenmachine17]

I would like to add when using heat you should never exceed 150°F because that is the temperature Nicotine starts to degrade. I use heat to speed infusion but I am extremely careful that the temperature never exceeds 150°F.

Sooo..I can still use my truck to steep ? Lol

 

[tazzle]

I'll just pass along something I read on Reddit about mixing flavors and PG first, then adding the VG (the OP claims it significantly reduces steep time):

I learned this from my vape shop buddy who's been making juice for 8 years now.. The industry doesn't have it quite right on the properties of VG and PG. While it is true the VG is more viscous and can produce more vapor, it is also slower to heat, which actually slows that process back down.. PG is thinner, so it will cook off faster, meaning it will vape quicker, but it will also get hotter faster, causing that throat hit everyone talks about from PG. Here's the SCIENCE on the two liquids though.. The PG is a better carrier for the flavor because it is a molecule that is receptive to the type of molecular structure the flavor is bound in, unlike the VG, which is why we have to steep in recipes with large amounts of VG. Ironically, flavor added to pure PG will essentially shake and mix and with a warm soak will be totally blended in just a few minutes. Now, the PG and the VG blend well together because they are a compatible type of suspension liquid, although they are bound by different molecular chains. In short, what you want to do is separate your vg and pg, do the math from 8.5 ml of base.. 30 percent of 8.5 mils is what? that's how much PG you need to grab and put in your bottle and add all that flavor above to it. What happens is, when the flavor blends with the PG and the PG absorbs one of the components of the flavor to bind it, it actually amplifies the flavor, compounding it and enhancing it. Take that mixture to a warm bath and steep it for about 10 or 20 minutes and add the rest of the VG to your heated mixture. The smell should be distinct.. and it should smell just like you intended it to. After you have it all mixed together, shake the crud out of it until it's all full of bubbles, grab your device and give it a rip.. let me know what you think.. Oh, and if you don't believe all the junk above, make it both ways.. put the flavor in a vg/pg solution and steep it for 3 days.. make the other batch like I said.. flavor in the pg first until it's mixed then add the vg and tell me that the flavor is not more powerful that way. I LOVE SCIENCE!!!
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I tried this on one recipe, and ... it seemed to work pretty well? I haven't played with it enough to really offer an educated opinion though.

 

[zoiDman]

I'll just pass along something I read on Reddit about mixing flavors and PG first, then adding the VG (the OP claims it significantly reduces steep time):

I learned this from my vape shop buddy who's been making juice for 8 years now.. The industry doesn't have it quite right on the properties of VG and PG. While it is true the VG is more viscous and can produce more vapor, it is also slower to heat, which actually slows that process back down.. PG is thinner, so it will cook off faster, meaning it will vape quicker, but it will also get hotter faster, causing that throat hit everyone talks about from PG. Here's the SCIENCE on the two liquids though.. The PG is a better carrier for the flavor because it is a molecule that is receptive to the type of molecular structure the flavor is bound in, unlike the VG, which is why we have to steep in recipes with large amounts of VG. Ironically, flavor added to pure PG will essentially shake and mix and with a warm soak will be totally blended in just a few minutes. Now, the PG and the VG blend well together because they are a compatible type of suspension liquid, although they are bound by different molecular chains. In short, what you want to do is separate your vg and pg, do the math from 8.5 ml of base.. 30 percent of 8.5 mils is what? that's how much PG you need to grab and put in your bottle and add all that flavor above to it. What happens is, when the flavor blends with the PG and the PG absorbs one of the components of the flavor to bind it, it actually amplifies the flavor, compounding it and enhancing it. Take that mixture to a warm bath and steep it for about 10 or 20 minutes and add the rest of the VG to your heated mixture. The smell should be distinct.. and it should smell just like you intended it to. After you have it all mixed together, shake the crud out of it until it's all full of bubbles, grab your device and give it a rip.. let me know what you think.. Oh, and if you don't believe all the junk above, make it both ways.. put the flavor in a vg/pg solution and steep it for 3 days.. make the other batch like I said.. flavor in the pg first until it's mixed then add the vg and tell me that the flavor is not more powerful that way. I LOVE SCIENCE!!!
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I tried this on one recipe, and ... it seemed to work pretty well? I haven't played with it enough to really offer an educated opinion though.

It would be Interesting to see what Others think of this PG/Flavoring then VG mixing method.

 

[jambi]

I'll just pass along something I read on Reddit about mixing flavors and PG first, then adding the VG (the OP claims it significantly reduces steep time):

I learned this from my vape shop buddy who's been making juice for 8 years now.. The industry doesn't have it quite right on the properties of VG and PG. While it is true the VG is more viscous and can produce more vapor, it is also slower to heat, which actually slows that process back down.. PG is thinner, so it will cook off faster, meaning it will vape quicker, but it will also get hotter faster, causing that throat hit everyone talks about from PG. Here's the SCIENCE on the two liquids though.. The PG is a better carrier for the flavor because it is a molecule that is receptive to the type of molecular structure the flavor is bound in, unlike the VG, which is why we have to steep in recipes with large amounts of VG. Ironically, flavor added to pure PG will essentially shake and mix and with a warm soak will be totally blended in just a few minutes. Now, the PG and the VG blend well together because they are a compatible type of suspension liquid, although they are bound by different molecular chains. In short, what you want to do is separate your vg and pg, do the math from 8.5 ml of base.. 30 percent of 8.5 mils is what? that's how much PG you need to grab and put in your bottle and add all that flavor above to it. What happens is, when the flavor blends with the PG and the PG absorbs one of the components of the flavor to bind it, it actually amplifies the flavor, compounding it and enhancing it. Take that mixture to a warm bath and steep it for about 10 or 20 minutes and add the rest of the VG to your heated mixture. The smell should be distinct.. and it should smell just like you intended it to. After you have it all mixed together, shake the crud out of it until it's all full of bubbles, grab your device and give it a rip.. let me know what you think.. Oh, and if you don't believe all the junk above, make it both ways.. put the flavor in a vg/pg solution and steep it for 3 days.. make the other batch like I said.. flavor in the pg first until it's mixed then add the vg and tell me that the flavor is not more powerful that way. I LOVE SCIENCE!!!
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I tried this on one recipe, and ... it seemed to work pretty well? I haven't played with it enough to really offer an educated opinion though.

It was this exact reddit post that motivated me to change my mixing order. I did a side-by-side, couldn't detect any difference. I mix in that order now because I think it's a viable steeping precursor, but then so is the little frother-mixer thing. To me, flavors don't just blend, they also mature into other flavors, and that takes time. Maybe there's an atom-bashing way to speed it up...people seem to think heat, ultrasonic cleaners, and magnetic stirrers can achieve it. They're probably right to some degree, I just prefer to throw it in a drawer and let time take its course. Easy for me to do that since I'm sitting on so much steeped juice, but I can understand the desire to speed up the process.

Flip side, there are some flavors I've found are best vaped fresh. Like FLV Cured Tobacco. It seems like if this stuff sits more than a week it starts to flatten out and fade away. Also, I don't know if it's just me, but I can barely taste every brand I've tried of lemon after it's steeped. Fresh, I can taste it, but after a few days it's either gone or barely there. I wish someone would impress me with science and come up with a way to eliminate fading.

 

[greenmachine17]

I'll just pass along something I read on Reddit about mixing flavors and PG first, then adding the VG (the OP claims it significantly reduces steep time):

I learned this from my vape shop buddy who's been making juice for 8 years now.. The industry doesn't have it quite right on the properties of VG and PG. While it is true the VG is more viscous and can produce more vapor, it is also slower to heat, which actually slows that process back down.. PG is thinner, so it will cook off faster, meaning it will vape quicker, but it will also get hotter faster, causing that throat hit everyone talks about from PG. Here's the SCIENCE on the two liquids though.. The PG is a better carrier for the flavor because it is a molecule that is receptive to the type of molecular structure the flavor is bound in, unlike the VG, which is why we have to steep in recipes with large amounts of VG. Ironically, flavor added to pure PG will essentially shake and mix and with a warm soak will be totally blended in just a few minutes. Now, the PG and the VG blend well together because they are a compatible type of suspension liquid, although they are bound by different molecular chains. In short, what you want to do is separate your vg and pg, do the math from 8.5 ml of base.. 30 percent of 8.5 mils is what? that's how much PG you need to grab and put in your bottle and add all that flavor above to it. What happens is, when the flavor blends with the PG and the PG absorbs one of the components of the flavor to bind it, it actually amplifies the flavor, compounding it and enhancing it. Take that mixture to a warm bath and steep it for about 10 or 20 minutes and add the rest of the VG to your heated mixture. The smell should be distinct.. and it should smell just like you intended it to. After you have it all mixed together, shake the crud out of it until it's all full of bubbles, grab your device and give it a rip.. let me know what you think.. Oh, and if you don't believe all the junk above, make it both ways.. put the flavor in a vg/pg solution and steep it for 3 days.. make the other batch like I said.. flavor in the pg first until it's mixed then add the vg and tell me that the flavor is not more powerful that way. I LOVE SCIENCE!!!
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I tried this on one recipe, and ... it seemed to work pretty well? I haven't played with it enough to really offer an educated opinion though.

Nice job !

 

[SteveS45]

I mix in this order but all at one time. I do the VG last because it is the most volume of all the components.

Nicotine
Flavors
PG
VG

Shake/Age (Infuse)/Vape

 

[dobroeutro]

I've tried a multitude of mixing techniques and didn't perceive any meaningful difference worth the trouble. Now, I just do what's easiest for me. Nic, PG, Flavorings & VG. Shake, put it away & let it age naturally for 10 to 28 days, shaking occasionally when I think about it. Seems to work just fine...

 

[mhertz]

The scale I use normally is a 500g max scale, and I always mix big batches on that scale without weighing the VG; I weigh all ingredients with the scale and afterwards remove bottle from scale and top of bottle with VG by eyeballing it. I currently always make 1L batches of my unflavored adv and keep in fridge, which last little over a month for me. I've also seen others talk about not bothering measuring the VG even on smaller batches, and just topping up the bottle. As said, for steeping it probably wouldn't help much though...

 

[SteveS45]

The scale I use normally is a 500g max scale, and I always mix big batches on that scale without weighing the VG; I weigh all ingredients with the scale and afterwards remove bottle from scale and top of bottle with VG by eyeballing it. I currently always make 1L batches of my unflavored adv and keep in fridge, which last little over a month for me. I've also seen others talk about not bothering measuring the VG even on smaller batches, and just topping up the bottle. As said, for steeping it probably wouldn't help much though...

If you use a scale because it is so accurate why would you just eyeball the VG. Sort of defeats the purpose in my humble opinion......

 

[suprtrkr]

I personally mix everything together and let is steep as a final mix. It works for me, but YMMV. FWIW, I have found it useful to add the nic base and the flavors to the beaker, then the PG, and stir them together a while before adding the VG and the final stir. I seem to get better results that way. One of these days I will build that sewing-machine-motor stirrer... as soon as I get my roundtuit all polished up.