So maybe a bit dramatic. But I'm hearing scary things about changing laws and prices. I love vaping. I love spreading the word and sharing info to anyone I know still smoking. It really changed my life. But I'm afraid that my new found hobby will be brought to a halt by the Feds. So I started stocking up. I'm collecting boxes and boxes of unused, unopened mods, cartos, tanks and juices. My question is... Am I finally loosing my mind? Or is this fear spreading similar reaction? Right now it's cheap, easy, and readily available from china. I can get a years worth of vaping supplies for 50$. Why not prepare for what could be the VAPEOCOLYPSE?
Preparing for the "VAPEOCOLYPSE"
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Meh. I have enough to keep me going for awhile, but I'm not stocking up.
If they want to regulate and tax it to death they can stick it as far as I'm concerned.
They've gotten enough of my sin tax money already and greed will be their downfall.
If they want to regulate and tax it to death they can stick it as far as I'm concerned.
They've gotten enough of my sin tax money already and greed will be their downfall.
The nicotine would be the only thing I would have to get and keep hold of. VG I can buy at any wally world, not sure where to get PG locally.
I can build a vaporizer out of anything. Cell phone battery, cotton balls and a tube.. done. The Kanthal wire is cheap and is used for many different applications so it will stick around. If not I can improvise as needed.
Worse case scenario I will convert a fog machine... I like this one:
If you see me chasing bubbles one day you will know why...
I can build a vaporizer out of anything. Cell phone battery, cotton balls and a tube.. done. The Kanthal wire is cheap and is used for many different applications so it will stick around. If not I can improvise as needed.
Worse case scenario I will convert a fog machine... I like this one:
If you see me chasing bubbles one day you will know why...
You know... I dunno.
It would be hard for them to pull off regulating devices since their mandate is tobacco control. What they're most likely to go after is the nic juices. Zero nic may escape unscathed. But that's not the critical one.
So, yeah, I'm doing some stocking up on plain nic juice. Not panic buying but I'm going to be buying it anyway right? Might as well buy ahead.
In the mean time, you've joined CASAA right?
I know I ain't going down without a fight...
If there's a change to a US law, we'll know about it for quite a while before it takes effect.
During that time, I'd learn to DIY, and stock up years' worth of supplies - probably while prices escalate, but with DIY juice, if they doubled, it'd still be cheap in bulk for longterm use...
During that time, I'd learn to DIY, and stock up years' worth of supplies - probably while prices escalate, but with DIY juice, if they doubled, it'd still be cheap in bulk for longterm use...
I agree with mkbilbo and I'm not panicing. I've got a years worth of nic in the freezer, not for me since I don't use it but for the kids who are on again, off again vapers right now. I DIY my own zero nic juices, use mech mods with RBA's and support CASAA. I think I've got it covered with that.
Yeah, last I read, the FDA is talking issuing proposed regs in October. Then there's a public comment period (the length of which I am not certain of). It's not like it'll happen in the dead of night. We'll see it coming. Whatever "it" ends up being.
There have been some slightly encouraging signs that the new head of the tobacco control division is more open to the concept of harm reduction. But... I dunno. Lot of high powered lobbying going on right now I'd bet. Pfizer sure don't want competition against Chantix. Especially competition that doesn't have an actual SUICIDE RATE.
(I get real hostile about that one. The FDA doesn't really have any business screwing with vaping until they get Chantix off the market.)
CASAA is meeting with them late this month and is asking folks to submit their story here:
E-cigarettes and other Tobacco Harm Reduction strategies: a collection of success stories
I gotta get mine in this weekend...
Let me see VG from Wal Mart, PG from the feed store (it's to prevent ketosis in dairy cattle), flavor Wal Mart again. Sweetener, Wal Mart, though my preferred sucralose will need filtering if I must use the granulated stuff. So that leaves nic liquid, of which I have a good 2 year supply now so, if the legal hammer falls, I'll just grab a couple more jugs of nic before it takes effect and, I'm set fo plenty long enough to wean myself to 0 nic vaping.
Maybe I'm paranoid. I should really get into making my own juices. I guess I just really love how easy it is to get now. I research a review on a product, look it up and click add to cart. It's just scary to think that one day you'll hear that you can't just buy it online anymore. Next most popular google search after that moment. "How to convert toaster into vaping mod" lol
Thanks for the reminder, just submitted mine thanks to your link. The link at the top of this (and every) page had gone "invisible" to me, I guess.
Nicotine is the only problem in replacing that is easy to get right now. I suppose if I couldn't get it, I may learn to extract it. However, becoming a competent chemist with a lab seems a bit much. Might be easier to just quit nic altogether. That being said, I did check out the patents available for nicotine extraction, and there are several viable processes. Since nicotine averages about 1.6% content of several plant families, it is readily available. A sampling of extraction information:
https://www.google.com/search?q=nicotine+extraction&btnG=Search+Patents&tbm=pts&tbo=1&hl=en
Of course, the trick would be to extract the nicotine without killing yourself in the process. I'm leaning toward quitting before extraction. Seems like a better way to have a longer life. Anyway, this is just food for thought, and not a serious alternative strategy. Of course, I didn't think I'd learn to solder and become a jeweler and watch maker either before I started. No one warns you of these things. Geez.
https://www.google.com/search?q=nicotine+extraction&btnG=Search+Patents&tbm=pts&tbo=1&hl=en
Of course, the trick would be to extract the nicotine without killing yourself in the process. I'm leaning toward quitting before extraction. Seems like a better way to have a longer life. Anyway, this is just food for thought, and not a serious alternative strategy. Of course, I didn't think I'd learn to solder and become a jeweler and watch maker either before I started. No one warns you of these things. Geez.
Being under threat from the FDA isn't something new. We've been living with it for a LONG time now 
Nothing is going to change quickly. Although I do beleive that change is coming, just have no idea exactly when thats gonna happen nor exactly what those changes are going to be. Nicotine should be our biggest concern. Some things we need to vape will always be easy to obtain. Chances are good that other parts of our vaping needs will also remain available or at least pretty easy to make or get.
IF you're actually going to use what your stockpiling no matter what happens in our vaping future nothing wrong with stockpiling now IMO and spending very little later even if all supplies continue to be easily available. The problem with stock piling is that things in the vaping world change quickly and one really needs to think about if they will be happy vaping yesterdays toys if the Vapeocolypse doesn't happen soon and there are a whole lot of new improved products on the market. Vaping supplies purchased even at good prices can become wasted money pretty easily when one moves on to using new things.
I have a stash of vaping supplies that will last me a long time BUT I've been vaping a long time, and I've stopped buying new stuff and am using my supplies and would have no problem continuing to use them no matter what new toys come on the market.
Nothing is going to change quickly. Although I do beleive that change is coming, just have no idea exactly when thats gonna happen nor exactly what those changes are going to be. Nicotine should be our biggest concern. Some things we need to vape will always be easy to obtain. Chances are good that other parts of our vaping needs will also remain available or at least pretty easy to make or get. IF you're actually going to use what your stockpiling no matter what happens in our vaping future nothing wrong with stockpiling now IMO and spending very little later even if all supplies continue to be easily available. The problem with stock piling is that things in the vaping world change quickly and one really needs to think about if they will be happy vaping yesterdays toys if the Vapeocolypse doesn't happen soon and there are a whole lot of new improved products on the market. Vaping supplies purchased even at good prices can become wasted money pretty easily when one moves on to using new things.
I have a stash of vaping supplies that will last me a long time
BUT I've been vaping a long time, and I've stopped buying new stuff and am using my supplies and would have no problem continuing to use them no matter what new toys come on the market.
We can be reasonably sure nothing is going to happen to the "hardware". There are shops here in Nashville that sell bongs and crack pipes, for crying out loud.
I have nic base in the freezer, I would just buy zero juices and DIY my own. I have some stock up of cartos and clearo wicks, I don't do RBA's tho, I do have quite a few PV's and APV's so that is covered. I vape 6 nic and zero, so I really am not too concerned about the nic levels since I have my own stock of nic. I think everything that does not have nic should be available tho and the nic juices perhaps just taxed. bnrk
Bill, you're the one that bought the E-vics... those things should come in a blast proof case that they stay in when not in use. My buddy got one, and its head was baked from shipping...luckily, we managed to get it working for him. Not bashing them, cause damn if they aren't cool and techy, but man, add some strength to the build somehow....
On the plus side, he knows how to solder now, and got a set of jewelers tools and picks to work with.
Bnrk, if you need it, I'll build your coils for ya
Now we just need to find a good sniper to set up on the roof so when the nic zombies start coming, we can deal with them.
Seriously though, I've got about another two years of DIY supplies ready (wasn't even because of the vapepocalypse, I just figured I was ordering them anyhow, might as well have them on hand, y'know? If it goes pear shaped, I've got at least two years to ween myself off of nic. Will I stop vaping once I'm down to 0 nic? doubt it. Unless they in their infinite wisdom make it illegal, then I might.
Maybe.
DEFINITELY add your story to the Casaa paper that they are going to hand over... every testimony helps us stay free...
I can't agree with you enough about Chantix. The fact that it is still available is an affront to common sense and proof that the FDA does not care about human beings. My mind is not capable of grasping why a drug that is responsible for hundreds of suicides and 65,000+ "coronary events" is still being prescribed yet many people have a problem with pv's!
I think I'm going to vape for a while now....wusaaa
I can't agree with you enough about Chantix. The fact that it is still available is an affront to common sense and proof that the FDA does not care about human beings. My mind is not capable of grasping why a drug that is responsible for hundreds of suicides and 65,000+ "coronary events" is still being prescribed yet many people have a problem with pv's!
I had to laugh that my SO's insurance stated that they would cover the "drugs" but not replacement therapies or harm reduction.
Doctor:
"Here take this pill... it "might" make you stop smoking, or... it "might" make you drive to the next state, and it "might" make you cut the head off some random stranger, and it "might" make you wear it like a hat. Oh, and you "might" commit suicide. Oh, and I forgot to add, it will probably cause erectile dysfunction.... yes, yes, I know you're a woman, but it might still happen."
Yup.
Perfectly safe. Like playing Russian roulette with a 9mm....
Oh thank you! You are a peach Hopefully we can all still get cartos, and replacement wicks. I am afraid to do RBA's because I don't want any dead shorts. But I do know how to build tiny things with wires, used to work on electronics building boards, under a microscope years ago. Worked in an electronics clean room too. I even know how to solder, passed my military spec solder school- LOL But I am still leary of making my own coils. Oh I did my story for CASSA too! bnrk
Hopefully we can all still get cartos, and replacement wicks. I am afraid to do RBA's because I don't want any dead shorts. But I do know how to build tiny things with wires, used to work on electronics building boards, under a microscope years ago. Worked in an electronics clean room too. I even know how to solder, passed my military spec solder school- LOL But I am still leary of making my own coils. Oh I did my story for CASSA too! bnrk Bnrk, if you need it, I'll build your coils for ya
DEFINITELY add your story to the Casaa paper that they are going to hand over... every testimony helps us stay free...
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