Pressure from non smokers and bannings

[hersch]

I have been vaping going on my 3rd week .And reading tons of things on here..But I m getting afraid Im enjoying it better than analogs,didnt think I would ever think vaping would help me to get off analogs...But I love it.. I have smoke for 40 years tried everything nothing worked until now..

so to all nonsmoker that are pushing me and all others in a dark corner I say to them You dont understand What Im and others go though.. I have respect for not smoking in non smoking places.But please cut me and other some slack.....

 

[leathermonkey7]

Just be sure to remind them that you are not smoking anymore! Thats the beauty of e cigs. Its NOT smoking.

 

[JerryRM]

I have been vaping going on my 3rd week .And reading tons of things on here..But I m getting afraid Im enjoying it better than analogs,didnt think I would ever think vaping would help me to get off analogs...But I love it.. I have smoke for 40 years tried everything nothing worked until now..

so to all nonsmoker that are pushing me and all others in a dark corner I say to them You dont understand What Im and others go though.. I have respect for not smoking in non smoking places.But please cut me and other some slack.....

Hersch and leathermonkey7, it's all about taxes and protecting BP and BT. They have been informed over and over again, about how e-cigarettes are safer than analogs and how they have helped many people to cut down or stop smoking cigarettes. It's all fallen on deaf ears.

They have their agenda and we are in the way of them achieving it.

 

[Shortstuff116]

Absolutely no comparison to a cigarette. There is no known harm to you or others while vaping, no different than a medical inhaler or patch, or gum, or chantix.

And a lot cheaper than chemotherapy!

 

[hersch]

This vaping is god sent Please dont take it away...Hoping after 40 years something like this would come along..I think it GREAT!!! I hope the fda stays out of this...

 

[lightinup]

This vaping is god sent Please dont take it away...Hoping after 40 years something like this would come along..I think it GREAT!!! I hope the fda stays out of this...

We all do!

 

[Drummel]

Aye, lets hope the FDA can be more flexible. I don't want my new love ruined because someone wants to either abolish or control something else, or create another crappy sin-tax. Not that vaping is a sin. If you were to say:

"Smoking is the devil."
then
"Vaping is the angel."


I don't want to be associated with BP or BT. Can't we just remain an independant movement and enjoy vaping? Please...?

 

[JerryRM]

Sorry to pass on bad news, guys, but the FDA is already deeply involved into it. They want to control e-cigs as a drug/device.

There is currently a court case "Smoking Everywhere VS FDA". The FDA has ordered customs to seize e-cig shipments sent here from China. See the "SE vs FDA" thread on this forum.

 

[Whitbit]

Oh well. I will still be vaping! Biggest black market line ever, here I come!!

 

[Drummel]

Ok, I've done an exceptional amount of reading in the whole FDA fight in progress....

I'm not the most educated in the world, but.... lets simplify this and hit a point quickly....

First off, I've only been off analogs for 2.5 days now. The moment I got my PV I was happy to stick strickly with it.

* smoking cigarettes slows you down,smells bad on everything, stains, has a second hand smoke that offends AND can cause problems to others, makes you more tired, fatigued, keeps you addicted to not only nicotine, but countless other EXTREMELY harmful chemicals..and its legal and approved, aside the indoor smoking ban, but that's where approved nicoderm and various other "approved" help quit devices WITH nicotine come back in... A step down program to help you quit *IF* you choose to step down, otherwise by ALL MEANS keep on buying our gum, our patch, it is nothing more than a "subscription" to nicotine (I say it this way because it's a guaranteed consistent income for the big boys..)

* Vaping PV's is relaxing, doesn't slow you down, is calming, doesn't have a nasty smell or taste, doesn't stain your fingers, doesn't leave an offensive aroma, the blown out vapor at this known point is basically harmless, can keep you addicted to nicotine-but without the EXTREME list of other chemicals, and the FDA wants to lock it down....

I'm sure I missed a few things, but I'm angry now... I find something that allows me to keep my nicotine in check if I need it, otherwise I PACIFY myself with 0 nicotine and just vape for flavor. It's a recreational hobby, past time, whatever you'd care to call it. And they want to take it away, when I just found it?

Can you believe that after only 2.5 days of being analog free I'm actually SCARED to be stuck with going back?

What in the sam dickens are these people thinking? I don't give a good .......n about their money. *shakes a fist* Give us some g'damn freedom here.

If I died tomorrow I wouldn't hate any PV companies, or Tobacco companies. I did what I did by choice, I'm not amped up on some screwball drugs. I am not impaired, I can function, just as ALL of us vapers can. I swear they act like we're all a bunch of junkies, WTF about cigarettes??? If you consider what's in them you might as well lump the damn things with heroine...*sigh*

I'm going to find my mint.. I need to go relax

 

[CaptJay]

On the plus side, I dont know any vapers anywhere who aren't also registered voters...

 

[NCC]

Drummel: One thing offhand that you forgot on the downside of cigarettes, fire hazard. I damn near killed myself 20 years ago by falling asleep with a cigarette in my hand. I mean, it was really close ... woke up in a dark room surrounded by smoldering mattress, which I picked up and dragged down a flight of stairs into the yard, burning and cutting myself in the process. I then went back upstairs to check for embers and passed out, not once but several times, from smoke inhalation. Very lucky to be alive after that. I NEVER smoked in bed again, after that.

And yet, that didn't stop me from smoking.

Vaping did.

Whatever movements there are to discourage vaping have nothing to do with health concerns.

 

[Tuesday]

I have been very lucky so far, everyone I know thinks it is a good thing and chance for smokers to quit analog cigs and live healthier lives.
Many people I know are trying to get their family members or friends to start the e-cig.

Non-smoker for over 4 months

 

[dark cobra]

I have been very lucky so far, everyone I know thinks it is a good thing and chance for smokers to quit analog cigs and live healthier lives.
Many people I know are trying to get their family members or friends to start the e-cig.

Non-smoker for over 4 months

Same, everyone agrees what im doing right now is an awful lot better and none have complained. Then again... i was pretty clear to begin with while i was on analogs that i wouldnt take any crap from anyone on it since i was extremely considerate of others and would never smoke in a non-smoker's home even if allowed to.

I know some will think i'm just stupid for thinking that way but one of the reason i did not stop before i started vaping is because to an extent, i fought to be accepted as a smoker and felt if i stopped smoking, i'd somehow end up on the "other team". The team with the old lady looking at me as if she could get cancer from looking at me when i used to smoke outside my workplace, clearing the legal door distance and all. I know it's kind of weird but hey, i'm just a rebel that way

I'm sad to say that if vaping ends up banned...i'll be an outlaw cuz theres no way im going back to analogs

 

[dejo]

how in the world could they ban e-cigs and have let analogs go on for decades? wow, that is ......ed! govt is ......ed, we all know that.

 

[Andromeadae]

My fear is not so much that they will be banned, but more that they will find a way to tax the crap out of em, to the point you/we will be spending just as much if not more to Vape as we did to Smoke!
Everyone (governments) wants a piece of the action

 

[PaulB]

I'm really worried about the ways those who advocate a ban will distort the issues (having watched this play out on the 2nd-hand smoke issue). Forgive what may seem like paranoia, but increasingly I've noticed that anti-smokING attitudes have taken more of an anti-smokER turn. We (meaning, those who have ever had tobacco habits) have become a rather low card in society's deck, and I fear that the portrayal of vaping will be mis-portrayed as a new means of drug delivery, rather than a means of of quitting smoking. (And watch for somebody to trot out the "Think of the children!" argument.)

But I hope I'm wrong.

 

[helper]

In short, our "Personal Freedoms" are at a very large risk here folks... Our governments have always wanted to control those things that they feel that we are not responsible enough as a "People" to take responsibility for ourselves.

For discussion purposes, let us take another example, the War on Drugs. For myself, as a retired Coasty (U.S. Coast Guard) and retired deputy sheriff, I have seen the many of the taxpayers dollar spent to combat this war. On the same hand, I have seen at least twice as much drug money spent to fight from the other side. So where is ANY "return on investment" (ROI) for any of the taxpayers monies?

Please do not get me wrong... I do NOT advocate for drug use! I have just made some personal observations from years of law enforcement. Of course, if our governments decided to make all drugs legal and revised our judicial system to make the crimes committed fit the punishments we probably would not have any issues. Furthermore, if drugs were legal, of course our government could tax the crap out of them like they do everything else -- just think of the influx of monies to the United States!

 

[VapinDove]

Paul B - it has already started. They are saying we are selling poison (nicotine) unregulated that can get in the hands of children. Also, the flavors are tempting kids to want to vape.

They already banned Clove and flavored cigarettes - they're off the shelves in US of A the country of freedom and rights - Grrrr. Dwindling away as we write.

I thought that by having a smoking President would lighten up the pressure on us smokers/now vaporers. But it seems to be getting worse. If I find out the politicians in my State that are FOR banning, they won't get my vote. Not to get political here but just saying...

:::taking a deep breath::: rant over.

 

[skydawgg]

hmmm dont know if you all know this but...maybe the fda is the one who sprung up all those 800 UN POPULATED (no prisoners)....but FULLY STAFFED prisons you got going in all your states (someone smell martial law??) WTF...some sketchy ....oh an believe it or not they are being reffered to as MOTHERFING CONCENTRATION CAMPS!!!

http://www.libertyforlife.com/jail-police/us-concentration_camp-locations.htm