Even though you were obviously being sarcastic, please keep in mind that antis might jump on the opportunity to quote a comment like this out of context.
Any non-smokers vaping?
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Even though you were obviously being sarcastic, please keep in mind that antis might jump on the opportunity to quote a comment like this out of context.
I just read through this whole thread and was at first surprised at the negativity against the OP. Eventually I realized, that if the OP wants to start vaping, he shouldn't need any approval, or opinions on his decision from others. It was a silly question to ask in the first place.
That said, there's more to smoking analogs than just nico addiction. It would probably be pointless for a non-smoker to vape because, what's the benefit? I could more likely see an ex-smoker vaping 0mg nico carts just to satisfy the hand-to-mouth, the taste, and the ritual without skirting the nico trap.
In the end, life is about personal choice. I wouldn't wish nico addiction on anyone and it's an easy trap to fall into. I wouldn't recommend vaping to a non-smoker but I also expect people to make an informed choices on their own. Informed is one thing I wasn't when I started smoking analogs at 18.
That said, there's more to smoking analogs than just nico addiction. It would probably be pointless for a non-smoker to vape because, what's the benefit? I could more likely see an ex-smoker vaping 0mg nico carts just to satisfy the hand-to-mouth, the taste, and the ritual without skirting the nico trap.
In the end, life is about personal choice. I wouldn't wish nico addiction on anyone and it's an easy trap to fall into. I wouldn't recommend vaping to a non-smoker but I also expect people to make an informed choices on their own. Informed is one thing I wasn't when I started smoking analogs at 18.
OK, I'm a complete newbie here, and my first starter kit hasn't even come in the mail, and until it comes I'm finishing the last of my rolling tobacco and using gum, but it seams like a lot of you are being pretty nasty towards this guy who was just asking an honest question.
To me it seams like the original poster probably wanted to start vaping for social reasons, that is, to have some kind of excuse to hang out with smoker-friends when they all went out for a ciggarette (just a guess, but the fact that you smoke hooka makes me assume so).
Personally, the reason I started smoking in the first place was the "smoking culture" which was basically that I had a bunch of friends who smoked, and I would always join them outside for their cigarette breaks, which gave me an excuse to move around, get some fresh air (ok, there was second hand smoke, but at least I was outside) and everyone seamed to be alot more socialble because they all had something in common (being addicts -but still it formed a positive asociation)...needless to say I eventually tried a cigarette and I liked it, and cigarettes became asociated with actually being productive, happy (smoking worked much better for my stress/anxiety than any perscription antidepressants/anti anxiety meds I've been on), romance, rock concerts, and numerous other things that I'm sure alot of us got very centimental about.
That being said my arobic capicity is **** compared to when I started. When I was having under 3 a day or not smoking I could easily bike 14-15 miles in less than an hour, do 6km of rowing in about 25-30 min, do that crazy cardio kickboxing (even though it's kind of chick stuff it gets you fit as hell), and stay in a very, very, very active mosh pit for a whole 1 and half hour set with no breaks.
Now that I've gotten to 1/2-1 pack a day I can only bike about 8-10 miles easily, row for 4km in the same amount of time, and I need to leave the mosh pit about every 20 minutes and take a 10-15 minute break. I am not happy about these things.
Personally, if I could have kept that social aspect without inhaling tar I would have been much better off.
To the original poster- it's your personal choice, but like I said, I'm a newbie, and the other poster's advice is probably much better than mine. Also, the social aspect is not universal. Being a rather steriotypical art student, the "smoking culture" I described existed for me.
But it dosn't in alot of circles, and smokers will not shun you because you don't smoke unless you get preachy, make annoying comments, pretend to cough, or generally be annoying. If you are already friends with a bunch of smokers you won't become better friends by starting smoking or fake-smoking. While I like smoking culture, I didn't actually need to start smoking to join.
The fact that I am now also smoking didn't change anything, except now I get to join them in thier "I don't have enough lung capacity to keep moshing" breaks too- and thats not fun at all.
I hoped that helped. I do not know much about vaping, but the social aspects of smoking are something I'm fairly familiar with.
To me it seams like the original poster probably wanted to start vaping for social reasons, that is, to have some kind of excuse to hang out with smoker-friends when they all went out for a ciggarette (just a guess, but the fact that you smoke hooka makes me assume so).
Personally, the reason I started smoking in the first place was the "smoking culture" which was basically that I had a bunch of friends who smoked, and I would always join them outside for their cigarette breaks, which gave me an excuse to move around, get some fresh air (ok, there was second hand smoke, but at least I was outside) and everyone seamed to be alot more socialble because they all had something in common (being addicts -but still it formed a positive asociation)...needless to say I eventually tried a cigarette and I liked it, and cigarettes became asociated with actually being productive, happy (smoking worked much better for my stress/anxiety than any perscription antidepressants/anti anxiety meds I've been on), romance, rock concerts, and numerous other things that I'm sure alot of us got very centimental about.
That being said my arobic capicity is **** compared to when I started. When I was having under 3 a day or not smoking I could easily bike 14-15 miles in less than an hour, do 6km of rowing in about 25-30 min, do that crazy cardio kickboxing (even though it's kind of chick stuff it gets you fit as hell), and stay in a very, very, very active mosh pit for a whole 1 and half hour set with no breaks.
Now that I've gotten to 1/2-1 pack a day I can only bike about 8-10 miles easily, row for 4km in the same amount of time, and I need to leave the mosh pit about every 20 minutes and take a 10-15 minute break. I am not happy about these things.
Personally, if I could have kept that social aspect without inhaling tar I would have been much better off.
To the original poster- it's your personal choice, but like I said, I'm a newbie, and the other poster's advice is probably much better than mine. Also, the social aspect is not universal. Being a rather steriotypical art student, the "smoking culture" I described existed for me.
But it dosn't in alot of circles, and smokers will not shun you because you don't smoke unless you get preachy, make annoying comments, pretend to cough, or generally be annoying. If you are already friends with a bunch of smokers you won't become better friends by starting smoking or fake-smoking. While I like smoking culture, I didn't actually need to start smoking to join.
The fact that I am now also smoking didn't change anything, except now I get to join them in thier "I don't have enough lung capacity to keep moshing" breaks too- and thats not fun at all.
I hoped that helped. I do not know much about vaping, but the social aspects of smoking are something I'm fairly familiar with.
Oh, and if my above post was too long, the short version is: don't start, you can still hang out with your smoker friends when they step outside for a cigarette without inhaling something, if your only common ground with someone is an addiction then it's no basis for a friendship/relationship anyways. And if you get along with them otherwise then why do you need to start?
I'm surprized by the flame and I think the Original Poster asked a fair question. I have the same question on my mind and I came here and searched it out specifically because I wanted to understand more about exactly this. So here's my story:
Wife smokes, though not that much. Maybe two packs/week. A friend of mine is into vaping and I bought her a starter kit to maybe move her away from analogs. She enjoys it, btw and I think her analogs are about to go bye bye if she can not get to frustrated with the mechanics. Anyway, I've never been a cigarette smoker. I enjoy 1-2 cigars/week in warmer weather and the occasional pipe when I can find the time. Since I usually go from November to May without these things, I consider myself a non-smoker. When I do smoke them, I don't inhale - but of course I still get some nic and nastys since I inevitably breathe the smoke hanging in the air around me.
Before I bought a unit for my bride, I tried my friends out. I liked it. I liked the throat hit, the variety of flavors, the device mechanics, etc. My wife's is usually laying on the counter some place and I like to puff on it on occasion. (Yeah, there's some nic in her carts, and I am aware of the possibility of getting hooked on nic where I wasn't before. At age 49, you needn't lecture me on the dangers but you can if you wish.) Anyway, I ordered a couple flavors of zero-nic juice and with one of her spare atomizers, I'm a mostly non-smoking, occasional PV user. Hence, I came here to read about this topic specifically. I'm lucky enough that, for me, the cost really isn't a factor, I have far more expensive intrests and can afford them all. I see no reason why I can't enjoy using a PV on occasion, esp w/ low or non-nic juice, or why I shouldn't say that to others - esp those who vape. I'm into home brewing too and I can't imagine a forum newbie getting chewed out and lectured on dangers and addictions of alcohol if he showed up asking how to make/enjoy non-alcholic brews. I'd just assume he liked the taste of beer. I'm certain that vaping is not good for me. Neither is coffee, or beer, but I enjoy those things and they are legal products. I don't fear using them or discussing them openly.
Wife smokes, though not that much. Maybe two packs/week. A friend of mine is into vaping and I bought her a starter kit to maybe move her away from analogs. She enjoys it, btw and I think her analogs are about to go bye bye if she can not get to frustrated with the mechanics. Anyway, I've never been a cigarette smoker. I enjoy 1-2 cigars/week in warmer weather and the occasional pipe when I can find the time. Since I usually go from November to May without these things, I consider myself a non-smoker. When I do smoke them, I don't inhale - but of course I still get some nic and nastys since I inevitably breathe the smoke hanging in the air around me.
Before I bought a unit for my bride, I tried my friends out. I liked it. I liked the throat hit, the variety of flavors, the device mechanics, etc. My wife's is usually laying on the counter some place and I like to puff on it on occasion. (Yeah, there's some nic in her carts, and I am aware of the possibility of getting hooked on nic where I wasn't before. At age 49, you needn't lecture me on the dangers but you can if you wish.) Anyway, I ordered a couple flavors of zero-nic juice and with one of her spare atomizers, I'm a mostly non-smoking, occasional PV user. Hence, I came here to read about this topic specifically. I'm lucky enough that, for me, the cost really isn't a factor, I have far more expensive intrests and can afford them all. I see no reason why I can't enjoy using a PV on occasion, esp w/ low or non-nic juice, or why I shouldn't say that to others - esp those who vape. I'm into home brewing too and I can't imagine a forum newbie getting chewed out and lectured on dangers and addictions of alcohol if he showed up asking how to make/enjoy non-alcholic brews. I'd just assume he liked the taste of beer. I'm certain that vaping is not good for me. Neither is coffee, or beer, but I enjoy those things and they are legal products. I don't fear using them or discussing them openly.
I agree that the OP was trying to ask a real question. Why is everyone trying to scare them away from this? I don't feel its dangerous to vape no nic liquid and say this person has the occasional vape while in a social situation or while out drinking. That's no worse than an occasional hookah except hookahs contain small amounts of nicotine. Nothing wrong with that right? Then again that is how many smokers start... It mostly depends on how you feel about vaping in the first place and how much of an addictive personality you have. Just like any other addiction some people are more susceptible than others. If you want to try it its your choice. Just steer clear of nicotine. I would give up on the hookah if you want to try vaping. Other than that please stop internet raping a completely fair newbie question.
Nicotine (y'know, WITHOUT the rest of the tobacco + 100s of additives + light it on fire and see what nifty carcinogens, toxins, and CO we can make) isn't that harmful a drug -- about like caffeine, way less harmful than ethanol. But it is strongly addictive.
Certainly it's got its downsides, but an occasional nicotine hit is pleasant -- only you can decide if that pleasure is worth the (fiscal) cost and the risk of "occasionally" hitting it a little too often and one day finding yourself addicted. And y'know, lots of reasonable enough folks took up smoking way back when we knew it was addictive, but (wrongly) thought it was basically harmless, so it's to be expected some of us will make that call now. Is it the "wrong" call? Not for me (or anyone else) to judge, so long as they're informed adults, but I certainly wouldn't feel right giving them any pressure to do so. (Not that there's much risk of them feeling net pressure in that direction...)
All that said, jbrownjr, surely you can understand why even non/occasional smokers who've taken up vaping won't chime in with "yeah, we started our nic addictions with e-cigs" on a public forum, where a certain class of folks with a burning drive to control everyone else's lives can (and will) seize onto those statements as "evidence" that e-cigs are addicting our kids in grade school (with candy & berry flavored e-juices!!!), and might assume you're one of those people for asking. You don't win at politics by assuming the enemy is playing fair...
Certainly it's got its downsides, but an occasional nicotine hit is pleasant -- only you can decide if that pleasure is worth the (fiscal) cost and the risk of "occasionally" hitting it a little too often and one day finding yourself addicted. And y'know, lots of reasonable enough folks took up smoking way back when we knew it was addictive, but (wrongly) thought it was basically harmless, so it's to be expected some of us will make that call now. Is it the "wrong" call? Not for me (or anyone else) to judge, so long as they're informed adults, but I certainly wouldn't feel right giving them any pressure to do so. (Not that there's much risk of them feeling net pressure in that direction...)
All that said, jbrownjr, surely you can understand why even non/occasional smokers who've taken up vaping won't chime in with "yeah, we started our nic addictions with e-cigs" on a public forum, where a certain class of folks with a burning drive to control everyone else's lives can (and will) seize onto those statements as "evidence" that e-cigs are addicting our kids in grade school (with candy & berry flavored e-juices!!!), and might assume you're one of those people for asking. You don't win at politics by assuming the enemy is playing fair...
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I may get my ... totally kicked here, but I see nothing wrong with a non-smoker taking up vaping if they want to, hey, it is after all a free country. You do not need to be a smoker, or ex smoker, to enjoy the experience, if you should decide to do so. To state otherwise would be like saying you have to be an alcoholic to have a glass of wine, and that's nuts. I'm starting to think many get caught up in the FDA hoopla crap that e cigarettes are a gateway to smoking and forget, an e cig is not a cigarette........ this person could walk down to the corner and start smoking if he wanted, why not an E cig?
As of now, Nicotine is not a restricted substance in this country, like alcohol, and caffeine, and can be used by any adult willing or wishing to.
I can appreciate many not wishing the OP to get into a lifetime of nicotine addiction, and I commend it. We do have to face the reality however, that e cigs are not the property and realm of only ex-smokers or current smokers. Will the FDA seize on this? Maybe........ but I for one am not giving in to the absolute tripe and restrict anothers enjoyment to protect my own ....
As of now, Nicotine is not a restricted substance in this country, like alcohol, and caffeine, and can be used by any adult willing or wishing to.
I can appreciate many not wishing the OP to get into a lifetime of nicotine addiction, and I commend it. We do have to face the reality however, that e cigs are not the property and realm of only ex-smokers or current smokers. Will the FDA seize on this? Maybe........ but I for one am not giving in to the absolute tripe and restrict anothers enjoyment to protect my own ....
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