Hey the chances of a long term smoker to quit are almost nill. The highest success rate is 28% Smoking cessation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Even with chronic progressed lung disease people will leave a ICU unit and spark up right after a severe pulmonary episode. That is how I have came to the conclusion the FDA is against its citizens. They are well aware of these staggering numbers. So I have been smoking for 24 years & would have never ever quit without a ecig. My husband who does not smoke was very negative in the beginning. I said it is this or a cigarette your choice. Not a peep since then...actually he is very happy & so is my wallet!!!! You are doing this for you, your health and above all YOUR CHOICE!!!
Pressure from non smokers and bannings
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You are not alone. That is precisely why I always smoke at least one cigarette per day. I do not EVER want to be one of them.I know some will think i'm just stupid for thinking that way but one of the reason i did not stop before i started vaping is because to an extent, i fought to be accepted as a smoker and felt if i stopped smoking, i'd somehow end up on the "other team". The team with the old lady looking at me as if she could get cancer from looking at me when i used to smoke outside my workplace, clearing the legal door distance and all. I know it's kind of weird but hey, i'm just a rebel that way
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On the political side of this mess..people need to consider that both the powerhouse political parties obviously work in tandem. That is why I became a libertarian. If Ron Paul was our president we would not be having this conversation about "our own good" politics...
The side effects of chantix are alot worse than vaping. During my last physical, my doctor had asked if I was interested in quitting smoking. Of course I am, we discussed chantix and the side effects. I looked at her like she was on crack to consider putting me on that crap with all the stress and anxiety I currently have (can't get our house sold, hubbys small business in the toilet, etc etc etc) and she finally agreed that this might not be a good time to try such a drug. Nightmares, increased anger, even rage....
think about some of the folks who are loose cannons or severely depressed and if the doctor does not inquire about this in depth or the person is not willing to be upfront that they are nuts, they get put on a medication that can potentially cause some real damage. That is what is scary!
The patch is really scary too. At least for me. Not everyone inhales/smokes the same. I thought by starting with step two I was good. At the time, it recommended you not sleep with it but didn't say you shouldn't. I forgot to take the dang thing off that night, I think I came damn close to having a heart attack! I had an increased heart rate for almost a full day. I think it is alot easier to overdose on a patch than it is from eliquid.
think about some of the folks who are loose cannons or severely depressed and if the doctor does not inquire about this in depth or the person is not willing to be upfront that they are nuts, they get put on a medication that can potentially cause some real damage. That is what is scary!
The patch is really scary too. At least for me. Not everyone inhales/smokes the same. I thought by starting with step two I was good. At the time, it recommended you not sleep with it but didn't say you shouldn't. I forgot to take the dang thing off that night, I think I came damn close to having a heart attack! I had an increased heart rate for almost a full day. I think it is alot easier to overdose on a patch than it is from eliquid.
I also tried patches had cold sweats, shaking all over.Went to emergency room onset of heart attack,scared the h**l of me..
Tried chanix 2 week made me so depressed, Lost interest in everything..
I found out about vapering and really enjoy it I quess I always will continue it...
now please leave all to enjoy...Its not second hand smoke..
Tried chanix 2 week made me so depressed, Lost interest in everything..
I found out about vapering and really enjoy it I quess I always will continue it...
now please leave all to enjoy...Its not second hand smoke..
I take issue on Chantix, now that is one I was on, and was sick the entire time, didn't do a thing for my wanting an analog, that stuff tears up your stomach, weird dreams, and if I stayed on it the recommended 3 months, no telling what would have happened.........warning on it know it's know to cause ppl to commit suicide. Yikes.Absolutely no comparison to a cigarette. There is no known harm to you or others while vaping, no different than a medical inhaler or patch, or gum, or chantix.
And a lot cheaper than chemotherapy!
I'll vape any day over that stuff.
You are absolutely right about the Chantix, but I just didn't go into my real thoughts about it. My own doctor refused to give me a prescription for it over a year ago, and he went on to explain all the different side effects (as you mentioned) with using Chantix and I agreed with his decision. He instead put me on Bupropion which is one of the main ingredients in Welbutrin that has been successful to help some quit smoking.
Well up until the very first day I vaped, I was on this Bupropion (for over a year) and at one point early on I actually did get down from more than 2 packs a day to less than 6 cigs a day, but that number eventually went back up to over a pack a day back in November. Then my KR808D-1 kit came and cigarettes have since become ancient history.
It's also my understanding that all the other NRT's out there like Chantix and the patch, gum, etc. have less than a 10% success rate after 6 months. Vaping on the other hand I heard has a more than 70% success rate, but it is very early to confirm these numbers. More time and hard proof is needed.
It all boils down to the fact the we should each be able to research our options and choose our own method of quitting. I don't need the FDA to approve or disapprove of anything I choose to do. I'm an adult and lost the need for a nanny a great many years ago.
My fear is not so much that they will be banned, but more that they will find a way to tax the crap out of em, to the point you/we will be spending just as much if not more to Vape as we did to Smoke!
Everyone (governments) wants a piece of the action
I know I personal don't worry about it getting taxed to hell. Most people I see on this board is trying to go to 0 nic and alot of people are doing it in only a few months.
If they take the hell out of the E liquids (which at this point would be the only thing they can tax due to the whole it is tobacco as per ruling.)
We can go on to the 0 nic and vape till we feel comfy just putting the PV down and calling it good.
Or like I said that is how I feel on it.
Lets just say they did pass it as tobacco and taxed the living hell out of it.
If the juice has 0 nicotine and you vape for flavor and NO chemical addiction, can they still tax a non drug substance like that? I don't care what they classify it as, if it's drug free, could it still be taxed as one?
Sorry if this sound stupid, I just really don't know.
If the juice has 0 nicotine and you vape for flavor and NO chemical addiction, can they still tax a non drug substance like that? I don't care what they classify it as, if it's drug free, could it still be taxed as one?
Sorry if this sound stupid, I just really don't know.
At a guess, it would only be the nicotine juice that would get taxed. Likely a hefty tax. I would also venture that they would only want to sell pre-filled carts.
Chantix isn't "nicotine replacement therapy". Simply put - it binds to the receptor in the brain that accepts the nicotine molecule and blocks the nicotine. It made my cigarettes taste like swamp-.... and dirty socks but I smoked for the first month I took it. I cried like a baby when I finally decided to adhere to a quit date and toss my fags in the trash. The psychological withdrawal was awful.
I'm not going to defend Chantix, but it did work for me. (if you consider 8 months working ??) I took it when it was first out on the market - before the Black Box warning... and it got me quit for 8 months. I had no side effects other than the nausea if I didn't take it with food. Longest I've been able to quit (aside from when I was pregnant) has been from that drug.
That said - I stayed on it longer than the 3 months. I stayed on it for about 6 months... and weaned off it... and I struggled with the psychological part of not smoking every day. I eventually caved, and within days was back to smoking as much, if not more than I had pre-Chantix.
The patch? No way - I felt horrid! The gum? Nasty and didn't work. Cold turkey? Yeah sure - if I want to suffer with the worst anxiety and become a bloody lunatic. Wellbutrin? No thanks, I have enough self-induced anxiety and I don't need an anti-depressant. I'm not depressed!
Vaping has been miraculous, life changing - effortless, painless - pleasant! Awesome, fun even - a hobby... social (these forums for example) - what did I give up? Nothing. I believe that's a huge part of the success. We aren't depriving ourselves - we are gaining a lot in exchange.
Pressure from non-smokers? Arrgh - I never want to be a smoking-nazi. I didn't plan on quitting when I started vaping. It just happened. I'm ecstatic it did! But - I'm just past the one month milestone, I am still new in this game...
I'm in a band and sometimes sit in with other bands. Over the holidays I actually had a singer refuse to rehearse at my space because I smoke. "I smoke" - I don't smoke in my studio I don't smoke in my house.... seriously? I know more musicians that smoke and who are now really interested in vaping... it seems to be more accepted on the West Coast than out here right now - and if that is so, great! I was SO insulted, honestly. To refuse to rehearse because I smoked? So did most of the other people - but I absorbed the flack and carried on...
The ever elusive "THEY" say it's being marketed to kids? Really? Every parent who smokes is marketing smoking to their kids- myself included and I raised three kids who ended up smoking. (and quitting) "Do as I say, not as I do" means nothing to kids... they do as we do.
None of them have expressed interest in my e-cig. They think it's great that I've quit, they are dubious and question my long term success...(rightfully so)
But - for today, they are proud of me.
Such a sadly hypocritical society we live in. Don't even get me started on alcohol and kids (teens).
All of us - who have chosen to be vaping pioneers - hats off to us. Vape on!
/end rant (sheesh, a good rant now and then feels pretty good)
I'm not going to defend Chantix, but it did work for me. (if you consider 8 months working ??) I took it when it was first out on the market - before the Black Box warning... and it got me quit for 8 months. I had no side effects other than the nausea if I didn't take it with food. Longest I've been able to quit (aside from when I was pregnant) has been from that drug.
That said - I stayed on it longer than the 3 months. I stayed on it for about 6 months... and weaned off it... and I struggled with the psychological part of not smoking every day. I eventually caved, and within days was back to smoking as much, if not more than I had pre-Chantix.
The patch? No way - I felt horrid! The gum? Nasty and didn't work. Cold turkey? Yeah sure - if I want to suffer with the worst anxiety and become a bloody lunatic. Wellbutrin? No thanks, I have enough self-induced anxiety and I don't need an anti-depressant. I'm not depressed!
Vaping has been miraculous, life changing - effortless, painless - pleasant! Awesome, fun even - a hobby... social (these forums for example) - what did I give up? Nothing. I believe that's a huge part of the success. We aren't depriving ourselves - we are gaining a lot in exchange.
Pressure from non-smokers? Arrgh - I never want to be a smoking-nazi. I didn't plan on quitting when I started vaping. It just happened. I'm ecstatic it did! But - I'm just past the one month milestone, I am still new in this game...
I'm in a band and sometimes sit in with other bands. Over the holidays I actually had a singer refuse to rehearse at my space because I smoke. "I smoke" - I don't smoke in my studio I don't smoke in my house.... seriously? I know more musicians that smoke and who are now really interested in vaping... it seems to be more accepted on the West Coast than out here right now - and if that is so, great! I was SO insulted, honestly. To refuse to rehearse because I smoked? So did most of the other people - but I absorbed the flack and carried on...
The ever elusive "THEY" say it's being marketed to kids? Really? Every parent who smokes is marketing smoking to their kids- myself included and I raised three kids who ended up smoking. (and quitting) "Do as I say, not as I do" means nothing to kids... they do as we do.
None of them have expressed interest in my e-cig. They think it's great that I've quit, they are dubious and question my long term success...(rightfully so)
But - for today, they are proud of me.
Such a sadly hypocritical society we live in. Don't even get me started on alcohol and kids (teens).
All of us - who have chosen to be vaping pioneers - hats off to us. Vape on!
/end rant
(sheesh, a good rant now and then feels pretty good)
If our government determines that the FDA should have jurisdiction over eliquids, then yeah, they could, unless the ruling specified only nicotine containing eliquids. And they could make the argument that even the nicotine free eliquids should be under their control since adequate testing has not been done on the long term effects of the inhalation of the ingredients.
Also, the FDA announced that in their (limited) testing of e-cigs, they found some nicotine in 0 nicotine e-juice. They would probably use that argument to say that all e-juice contains some nicotine, (for tax and regulation purposes of course).
I'm 19 and was a run of the mill pack a day smoker for 4 years before vaping. I'm also an asthmatic (very mild, not as bad as most). After the first 2 years of smoking, I started different ways of trying to quit. Patch... pfft... gum... ew... cold turkey worked for a few hours, though, most successful so far... then just under a week ago I got my BSB in the mail. Whoa, no more analogs. Never went on chantix, heard too many horror stories about it. Needless to say, I can breathe, I can taste, I can smell.. and on top of that, I don't smell like an ashtray. I've been more active (because I can breathe), I've even started to lose some weight oddly enough (maybe that's bad... vaping over eating, but hey it tastes better). I do hope they don't ban e-cigs in Maine.. thus far it seems my state has been left out of the drama the FDA, BP, and BT have surrounded vaping with.
If they try to ban it here in Maine, I'm migrating to a country that will never be able to ban it... ALL ABOARD FOR ANTARCTICA! THE FIRST VAPER NATION!
Whose with me!?
If they try to ban it here in Maine, I'm migrating to a country that will never be able to ban it... ALL ABOARD FOR ANTARCTICA! THE FIRST VAPER NATION!
Whose with me!?
I'm 19 and was a run of the mill pack a day smoker for 4 years before vaping. I'm also an asthmatic (very mild, not as bad as most). After the first 2 years of smoking, I started different ways of trying to quit. Patch... pfft... gum... ew... cold turkey worked for a few hours, though, most successful so far... then just under a week ago I got my BSB in the mail. Whoa, no more analogs. Never went on chantix, heard too many horror stories about it. Needless to say, I can breathe, I can taste, I can smell.. and on top of that, I don't smell like an ashtray. I've been more active (because I can breathe), I've even started to lose some weight oddly enough (maybe that's bad... vaping over eating, but hey it tastes better). I do hope they don't ban e-cigs in Maine.. thus far it seems my state has been left out of the drama the FDA, BP, and BT have surrounded vaping with.
If they try to ban it here in Maine, I'm migrating to a country that will never be able to ban it... ALL ABOARD FOR ANTARCTICA! THE FIRST VAPER NATION!
Whose with me!?
I am!
We can start a vaping colony - but ... how do we get our supplies shipped there? Congrats! Glad you've been able to quit. Vaping is fun - and the benefits are huge. You are so lucky to be able to quit now... before you ended up like so many of us here... life-long smokers resigned to never being able to quit. Until we found vaping!!
I guess I was born in the right generation to be right where technology led to e-cigs. I'll keep a hopeful outlook that in another ten years analogs will be illegal and e-cigs praised and encouraged
Oh, and as for shipping to Antarctica, we will use a Carrier Penguin Service.
Of course, we will first have to have a major conquest on Antarctica, fight the land away from the penguins, then force them into submission and servitude under us... or we can buy them off... with fish... yesss....
Oh, and as for shipping to Antarctica, we will use a Carrier Penguin Service.
Of course, we will first have to have a major conquest on Antarctica, fight the land away from the penguins, then force them into submission and servitude under us... or we can buy them off... with fish... yesss....
I guess I was born in the right generation to be right where technology led to e-cigs. I'll keep a hopeful outlook that in another ten years analogs will be illegal and e-cigs praised and encouraged
Oh, and as for shipping to Antarctica, we will use a Carrier Penguin Service.
Of course, we will first have to have a major conquest on Antarctica, fight the land away from the penguins, then force them into submission and servitude under us... or we can buy them off... with fish... yesss....
!! Love it... Penguin Servitude! They're certainly dressed right... and fish would be their currency... Or... a private island in the Caribbean? Margaritas... vaping, sunshine... and we won't need sweaters, coats, hats, heaters, gloves.... or Penguins!
If you're going to start your own country, why Antartica? Find a nice, warm secluded island in the South Pacific.
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