Proper terminology - Is it a carto, a tank, or what? lol

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do you have a write up on Ohm's, which should be used with which voltage?

If I may give my thoughts on this... You should use the ohms and voltages that works best for your atomizer, your liquid, your battery and your taste buds and your throat. Too many variables to give advice on a forum, you'll have to try it out.

The power of the battery-atomizer combination is expressed in Watts. If you use higher ohm atomizer, you must increase the voltage to achieve the same taste and feel. 7-8 Watts is currently good for me, but the devices I started with weren't able to provide that. And some people vape at 15 Watts.

To get a 8 Watt vape from a regular 3.7V battery, one must use a 1.7 ohm atomizer. To get the same vape from a 2.5 ohm atomizer, one must use a 4.5V battery.

If you have a variable voltage or wattage device, start low and climb up until you find the sweet spot.
 

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Thanks again for the super informative info Baditude; do you have a write up on Ohm's, which should be used with which voltage?
I can agree with much of what the previous poster stated, however, I tend to prefer a cooler vape experience. I found the lower resistance cartomizers to be too harsh for my personal liking. I like standard resistance (2.0 ohm) on fixed voltage devices, and higher resistance (2.5 - 3.0 ohm) on my variable voltage devices. I don't know the watts, I just start with low voltage and increase it in increments until I find the sweet spot for the particular flavor/juice that I am using at the moment.

I use single coil cartos. 2.0 ohm on the fixed voltage Silver Bullet and BB. 2.5 - 3.0 ohm on the Provari and V.V. Gripper. I prefer the Ikenvape Platinum or Fusion when they are in stock, and the Smoktek as a backup carto.

There is an ohm/watt/voltage chart that many vapors find useful. It should be used as a general guideline:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/329215-volt-ohm-chart.html#post7112069
 
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I'm not going to address ce2/ce3 terminology any further than I have. There is no established agreement or standard in the vaping community on these specific devices from the manufacturers, vendors, or customer base. I'll leave it at that.
That's all fine, but I've personally never seen a CE3 being sold as a CE2, or vice versa. I know if I ordered a box of CE3s, and got CE2s instead.. I would be more than a bit irate.

I just want to note here that to the best of my knowledge, microcig is the original manufacturer of the CE2/CE3 (those are the original manufactures official product names for the top/bottom coil respectively) and their names are commonly (but not always) used on resellers sites to differentiate between the different styles. CE2 being top coil, CE3 being bottom coil. These devices are popularly rebranded with some random name of choice, seemingly to make it unclear that it is exactly the same thing being sold by a competitor. I understand brand recognition and marketing... but I'd give more respect for something sold as "Genuine Microcig CE3" than "AwesomeVape 9000".

Otherwise, in regards to terminology in general. A clearomizer refers to a device with no absorbent filling material that is usually housed in a plastic tube, although there have been CE2 devices sold in metal sleeves instead of plastic that give the look of a standard cartomizer or atomizer. A cartomizer refers to a device that is both a cartridge and atomizer in one. The filler material has simply been moved into the atomizer housing and wrapped around the coil, or rests above on horizontal coil cartos. Again, there are oddballs in that there are cartomizers in clear plastic housings but that does not make them clearomizers.

Then came the CE4's (stardust style), which, due to their seamless look on the ego batteries, and increased capacity (basically a tank style CE2), gained popularity quickly. This led to an explosion of different devices that have iterated on that innovation, including bottom coil types, replaceable heads and units that mimic the cartomizer tank look.
 
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Criterion, your points seem to confirm my point. You so much as admitted to the discrepancy of vendors selling devices under different names and different categories, rebranding this and that. Most people who viewed my "picture dictionary" of common juice carrying devices are new vapors, and likely don't give a crap yet if the device is top or bottom coiled. I even made a footnote at the end of my original post for viewers to be aware of a discripancy of what devices are labeled as by different vendors. My intent was not to be so specific as you seem to have been wanting me to be...my intent was for it to be used as a general guide.

The image is indeed of a ce2 (top coiled) and I labeled it incorrectly as a ce3. My bad.

To date, the post has received 32 "likes" and there have been several responses to the post that are most positive. I just think you are being a little nit picky.

By the way, thanks for the history lesson.
 
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Criterion, your points seem to confirm my point. You so much as admitted to the discrepancy of vendors selling devices under different names and different categories, rebranding this and that. Most people who viewed my "picture dictionary" of common juice carrying devices are new vapors, and likely don't give a crap yet if the device is top or bottom coiled. I even made a footnote at the end of my original post for viewers to be aware of a discripancy of what devices are labeled as by different vendors. My intent was not to be so specific as you seem to have been wanting me to be...my intent was for it to be used as a general guide.

The image is indeed of a ce2 (top coiled) and I labeled it incorrectly as a ce3. My bad.

To date, the post has received 32 "likes" and there have been several responses to the post that are most positive. I just think you are being a little nit picky.

By the way, thanks for the history lesson.

Well, I didn't really think there was such a thing as being nit picky in a thread titled "Proper terminology". To me it's logical that if any nit picking was to be done, this would be exactly the place to do it. I would think it's actually a good thing to have information be corrected when the intent of the post was to be informational. As you said, you had many likes for the post, and I'm guessing they were people that did not know the information you presented. They might well not know the difference, but if they've read the whole thread, they do now, and I'm happy I was able to bring the error to your attention as well.

As far as confirming your point it seems that I must be seeing a different point than you, since you said "There is no established agreement or standard in the vaping community on these specific devices from the manufacturers, vendors, or customer base." and then I said "those are the original manufactures official product names for the top/bottom coil respectively". Really not much we can do about aggressive rebranding in an attempt to make items appear to be exclusive to a shop. So, the fact that the manufacturer actually gave them those names, to me... well I guess it means that's what they are, as I consider a manufacturer naming their product to be an established standard. I know. Crazy talk. Though I did indeed limit my nitpicking and refrain from things such as bullet pointed lists. Though reading that a "CE3" (CE2) was some hybrid of a "clearomizer" (CE4) and a cartomizer did get a chuckle out of me.. since it's hard to make a hybrid from 2 things when 1 of those things didn't yet exist ;).

History lesson.. lol. It seemed appropriate. If people are trying to learn what something is, it's sometimes easier for them to do that when they know where it came from.
 
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That helpled alot, ty. Still have one more question. The cartomizer pictured has a little disk at the bottom of it, is that type just for use with the Altsmoke tank? I have a tank ordered from IB tanked, would it use any cartomizer without the disk at the bottom of it? Usually others like Boge for example do not look like the one in the picture.
 

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That helpled alot, ty. Still have one more question. The cartomizer pictured has a little disk at the bottom of it, is that type just for use with the Altsmoke tank? I have a tank ordered from IB tanked, would it use any cartomizer without the disk at the bottom of it? Usually others like Boge for example do not look like the one in the picture.

That disc is called a "flange". It's purpose is to keep the cartotank from sliding down the carto toward the battery. Smoktek may be the only carto manufacturer that adds that to their cartos, I don't pay attention to that detail.

It is not a necessary part. It does help some pushing a filled tank onto the carto for the most ideal position, as the flange allows the holes on the carto to line up in the best spot for best juice flow. Most cartotanks fit snug enough within the tank to not accidentally slide off the carto. Having said that, it's good practice to pick up your device by the battery and not the tank.
 
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Above is a pre-punched cartomizer (note the small hole). These are fit into a tank to make a carto-tank. These cartomizers are ordered as "blanks", which means there is no e-liquid in them from the vendor. They may come with holes already (pre-punched) or w/o holes, requiring the user to make their own holes or slots in order for the juice in the tank make its way to the heating coil inside the cartomizer.

Inside the metal tube is a polyfill material which wicks the juice from the tank area via the holes. Cartomizers typically must be replaced after 2-3 tank refills of juice.

These have a juice capacity of between 1 - 1.5 ml. They typically come in a standard size (35mm length) or XL (45mm length). The length of the tank used determines which length of carto is needed.
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Above is a carto-tank. It is made up of a clear tube with end caps on either end. A cartomizer is inserted between the two endcaps. A drip tip, or mouthpiece, fits into the end of the carto. This combination is what is referred to as a cartomizer tank.

These can have a juice capacity of between 2 - 6 ml., in addition to the juice the carto has within.

Tube material can be polycarbonate or polypropylene plastic or pyrex glass. Endcaps can be made of plastic, metal, or acrylic.

Tanks sizes are generally categorized as a standard (using a 35mm cartomizer) or an XL size (using a 45mm cartomizer). The diameter of tanks can vary greatly, but typically are between 19mm and 30mm.
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Above is a clearomizer. This could be considered a small tank as the container holding the juice is typically clear plastic. Instead of a cartomizer, they use string wicks that draw the e-liquid to an atomizer head, which contains the heating coil to make vapor.

These can have a juice capacity of between 1.5 - 2.5 ml.

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Above is a CE3. These are sort of a hybrid cartomizer/clearomizer. They typically are the same diameter/size of a cartomizer, but are clear like a clearomizer, and use the same atomizer head with string wicks like a clearomizer.

These can have a juice capacity between 0.5 - 1.5 ml. These are quite useful to test out new flavors from juice samplers.

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Vivi Nova Tanks use wicking strings and an atomizer head like a clearomizer, but have a larger juice capacity in their tanks of between 2 ml and 3.5 ml. The atomizer heads in these are replaceable.

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As manufacturers pump out new devices in their search to find the best vaping attachments, combining elements that are borrowed from existing attachments, the definitions of these devices become quite blurred and confusing, not only to customers but vendors also.

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Hey T ! You feeling better? Been a little worried about ya, not seen you on here alot. How's the new job working out?

I'm currently on an unexpected leave from work. I have sleep deprivation disorder from sleep apnea, and it was affecting my work performance slightly. Someone caught me nodding off and reported me. I had to have a sleep lab study a couple nights ago and awaiting to see the sleep specialist later this week. I may need to sleep with a CPAP machine.
 
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I have found that depends upon what vendor is selling them and what they actually call them. That is why I said what I did in bold print above. Go to 10 online vendor websites and they will call these either ce3s, ce2s, clear cartomizers, clearocartos, etc. Thank you for your intended input though.
And what he just said. I've always called em stardust but now their another name from the same vendor and same price. So lets see how many names we can come up with to confuse everyone. OMG Head is gonna Explode. I'll stay with a carto tank or a vivi nova. Simple and not interchanges................ :2c:
 

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Sorry, here comes noob questions. So gotvapes has what's called a splitfire seems like a vivinova, what is difference, and is it better?
Are the point of the clearomizers, vivinovas, splitfires, to remove the cartomizer replacement? If so how long average, is the service life as opposed to carto & tank?
Seems like they're easier to fill, clean, etc.?

The split/fire all depends on what you want. I had some and didn't like the airy draw they had. Now they come out with one called the "V-core" Tighter draw but same thing. Sorry but I just don't get why everything has to be so different with the names. My tanks work just fine and so do the Nova's
 

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I can agree with much of what the previous poster stated, however, I tend to prefer a cooler vape experience. I found the lower resistance cartomizers to be too harsh for my personal liking. I like standard resistance (2.0 ohm) on fixed voltage devices, and higher resistance (2.5 - 3.0 ohm) on my variable voltage devices. I don't know the watts, I just start with low voltage and increase it in increments until I find the sweet spot for the particular flavor/juice that I am using at the moment.

I use single coil cartos. 2.0 ohm on the fixed voltage Silver Bullet and BB. 2.5 - 3.0 ohm on the Provari and V.V. Gripper. I prefer the Ikenvape Platinum or Fusion when they are in stock, and the Smoktek as a backup carto.

There is an ohm/watt/voltage chart that many vapors find useful. It should be used as a general guideline:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/329215-volt-ohm-chart.html#post7112069

Alright something we can finally disagree on............. Not that we ever have that often. We both like the same kind of cool vape and carto/tanks. But I won't ever buy the ikenvapes cartos again. Maybe the XL 45mm ones are different but the 35mm ones I got are all reading around 3 ohms. My boges work really well for my SB without the KICK. (Yea I know but got tired of trying to explain it to people). I just prefer the shorter carto's for myself. (maybe it's cause my sweetie is short. I don't know.)
 

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Hey T ! You feeling better? Been a little worried about ya, not seen you on here alot. How's the new job working out?

I'm currently on an unexpected leave from work. I have sleep deprivation disorder from sleep apnea, and it was affecting my work performance slightly. Someone caught me nodding off and reported me. I had to have a sleep lab study a couple nights ago and awaiting to see the sleep specialist later this week. I may need to sleep with a CPAP machine.

Sorry to hear that Brother. I got to sleep with one of those darn machines every night. Trust me you'll get use to it. Just don't let em push you into a mask you don't like. Trust me on this one. Take your time if you got to get one. Take a pillow and wear it so you know if it's comfy when your asleep. I got over $700 usd in mask I can't use and have tried to give to people that need em. Be paitent and remember the word. "Distalled WATER" And also cleaning if needed. Distalled Vinager. Keep it simple and listen to em Bro
 

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Alright something we can finally disagree on............. Not that we ever have that often. We both like the same kind of cool vape and carto/tanks. But I won't ever buy the ikenvapes cartos again. Maybe the XL 45mm ones are different but the 35mm ones I got are all reading around 3 ohms. My boges work really well for my SB without the KICK. (Yea I know but got tired of trying to explain it to people). I just prefer the shorter carto's for myself. (maybe it's cause my sweetie is short. I don't know.)

Hmmm, my IKE Plats read out around 2.5 ohm. Even if your's are reading 3.0 ohm, can't you still use them on your variable voltage mods?
 

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Hmmm, my IKE Plats read out around 2.5 ohm. Even if your's are reading 3.0 ohm, can't you still use them on your variable voltage mods?

Yea but I don't want to change things. I can use up to OMG higher ristance than I want. After all I got the stuff to do it. I just don't understand the draw to vaping around 10- 20 watts. That's why I like around 2 ohms. They go with everything. (kinda like my sweetie)
 
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