Proposed Bill makes it Illegal to sell flavored eliquid or flavors used in eliquid

[Woofer]

This must cover asthma inhalers too.
also what does this mean.. A person may not allow to be sold a flavored tobacco product! Soon vigilantes will be busting street corner sales of flavored things

 

[caramel]

No. When I eat chocolate, which is rare, I eat actual chocolate from a chocolate shop or Aldis... Most chocolate milk has no real cocoa in it, yet is sold as chocolate milk...

It still has to contain cocoa:

4. Milk chocolate

(a) designates the product obtained from cocoa products, sugars and milk or milk products, which, subject to (b) contains:

- not less than 25 % total dry cocoa solids,

 

[caramel]

This must cover asthma inhalers too.

Yep. This law should be amended with clear exemptions for items of religious or medical use.

 

[stevegmu]

It still has to contain cocoa:

4. Milk chocolate

(a) designates the product obtained from cocoa products, sugars and milk or milk products, which, subject to (b) contains:

- not less than 25 % total dry cocoa solids,

I think there is probably a discrepancy between a dictionary definition and food labeling regulation...

How much milk is in soy milk?

 

[caramel]

I think there is probably a discrepancy between a dictionary definition and food labeling regulation...

How much milk is in soy milk?

How much cocoa is in "Synthetic Chocolate"?

Since you seem to be challenged by the use of qualifiers, let's simplify:

"3. Chocolate

(a) designates the product obtained from cocoa products and sugars which, subject to (b), contains not less than 35 % total dry cocoa solids, including not less than 18 % cocoa butter and not less than 14 % of dry non-fat cocoa solids;"

I can totally see a regulation saying;

"3. tobacco flavour

(a) designates the product obtained from tobacco which contains [....]"

 

[SHOCK COLLAR]

any way to interview these Reps. get thier idiotic stance on record?

 

[Str8vision]

How is it so many people get nic sick from vaping?

From the pharmaceutical grade unflavored liquid nicotine that was added to their juice would be my best guess.

 

[johnny madman]

 

[Str8vision]

I'm not a Lawyer.

But to me, a "Inhalant Delivery System" is a piece of Hardware when it comes to e-Cigarettes.



https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2015R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB0415/Introduced

I would Definitely want a Clarification from the Author of this Legislation as to this.

I agree, as written certainly seems it would apply to any vape gear.

 

[stevegmu]

From the pharmaceutical grade unflavored liquid nicotine that was added to their juice would be my best guess.

If it is so much less than smoking, wouldn't these people be getting nic sick from smoking? There was a recent thread where someone got nic sick from licking 1 drop...

 

[caramel]

Obviously the "apple a day keeps the doctor away" saying should also be banned by FDA for making "unproven claims".

 

[stevegmu]

How much cocoa is in "Synthetic Chocolate"?

Since you seem to be challenged by the use of qualifiers, let's simplify:

"3. Chocolate

(a) designates the product obtained from cocoa products and sugars which, subject to (b), contains not less than 35 % total dry cocoa solids, including not less than 18 % cocoa butter and not less than 14 % of dry non-fat cocoa solids;"

I can totally see a regulation saying;

"3. Tobacco flavour

(a) designates the product obtained from tobacco which contains [....]"

What is soy milk and why can it be sold as soy milk? FDA regulation and advertising don't necessarily abide by Google Dictionary; neither does much legislation, hence why bills have a section containing their definitions...

 

[stevegmu]

Obviously the "apple a day keeps the doctor away" saying should also be banned by FDA for making "unproven claims".

Is there a product sold with this tag line?

 

[zoiDman]

I agree, as written certainly seems it would apply to any vape gear.

Like I said, I would want a Clarification on this Wording.

Because I'm not sure how Ellen Rosenblum feels about e-Cigarettes. But Previous occupants of the Desk she sits at weren't to Thrilled with people Selling e-Cigarettes in Oregon.

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/08/oregon-attorney-general-bans-electronic.html

 

[bwh79]

I'm not a Lawyer.

But to me, a "Inhalant Delivery System" is a piece of Hardware when it comes to e-Cigarettes.

Right. An "inhalant delivery system" is a piece of hardware, but the bill doesn't say "inhalant delivery system, [period]." It says "inhalant delivery system, product." An "inhalant-delivery-system product" is a product related to that piece of hardware. And a "flavored inhalant-delivery-system product" is a flavored product, related to the piece of hardware. And that "flavored product" is what would be prohibited by the bill, not the "inhalant delivery system" itself.

Otherwise, please show me an example of a piece of hardware that, by itself, you would classify as a "flavored inhalant delivery system." I suppose you could also parse it as a "flavored inhalant delivery system product" meaning "delivery-system product for a flavored inhalant" but, again, the inclusion of "flavored tobacco products" leads me to believe that's not what they meant, at all. They're trying to ban the flavored products -- tobacco and inhalant-delivery-system alike -- not just the products themselves. If you're going to include all vaporizers in the ban as being "products capable of delivering flavored inhalants," then you also have to ban all pipes and rolling papers too, as being "products capable of holding flavored tobacco."

 

[Woofer]

If it is so much less than smoking, wouldn't these people be getting nic sick from smoking? There was a recent thread where someone got nic sick from licking 1 drop...

There was a thread somewhere that someone got sick just walking past a vaper.

 

[stevegmu]

I think it refers to pre filled cartos, like cherry or vanilla BLU...

 

[zoiDman]

Obviously the "apple a day keeps the doctor away" saying should also be banned by FDA for making "unproven claims".

It has.

And Apples now can Only be Sold for "Recreational Use". And Cannot be sold as a HRT Product.

 

[caramel]

What is soy milk and why can it be sold as soy milk? FDA regulation and advertising don't necessarily abide by Google Dictionary; neither does much legislation, hence why bills have a section containing their definitions...

Let me make it clear: FDA regulations can be whatever they want. They can define "tobacco flavor" as they wish and then apply this meaning to e-liquid too. There's little chance that by just writing "tobacco" on the bottle you would automagically meet their definition and requirements.

 

[zoiDman]

Right. An "inhalant delivery system" is a piece of hardware, but the bill doesn't say "inhalant delivery system, period." It says "inhalant delivery system, product." And an "inhalant-delivery-system product" is a product related to that piece of hardware. And a "flavored inhalant-delivery-system product" is a flavored product, related to the piece of hardware. And that "flavored product" is what would be prohibited by the bill, not the "inhalant delivery system" itself.

Otherwise, please show me an example of a piece of hardware that, by itself, you would classify as a "flavored inhalant delivery system." (You could also parse it as a "delivery system for a flavored inhalant" but, again, the inclusion of "flavored tobacco products" leads me to believe that's not what they meant, at all. They're just trying to ban the flavored products -- tobacco and inhalant-delivery-system alike, not the products themselves.)

I think we are Starting to Dance with Semantics.

Like I said, I would Want a Clarification on this Wording. Because if something in a Law can be Interpreted by the Oregon DOJ and then Supported by the Courts, it doesn't matter what the Original Intent is.