Propylene Glycol origins?
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You are free to redefine very tightly defined terms to mean anything you want. The rest of us will hopefully use well known and understood terms to mean what they were defined to mean. Words matter, definitions matter. Redefining terms to suit one's agenda is not considered a valid point of discussion. It is, however, a very effective propaganda tool if that is your motive. Until you are called on it.
I don't live my life by dictionary definitions or Wikipedia. Those who do fail to thrive, grow and adapt...
Thinking outside the box gave us S. Jobs and Apple...
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... Three against one....now it's starting too get less boring........ But I will have to get back to you gents/ladies in a bit as I have some work to do then I will be back to comment.
... Three against one....now it's starting too get less boring........ But I will have to get back to you gents/ladies in a bit as I have some work to do then I will be back to comment.It is not about life, it's about a discussion. It helps to have a clear definition so we aren't spinning our wheels. You don't have to buy into it. You may be right and you may wrong.
Agreed. I very much enjoy dripping 100% VG. Best vape I've had yet.
sorry mate even so called VG will have roughly 2 to 3% water content due to th fact you poured
it out of the bottle.
both PG and VG are hygroscopic. they absorb water
relative to the humidity.
the product label only indicates it was sourced
from 99.5% pure product.any time its exposed to air
changes that.the .5%impurities are composed of
99.9% water.adding water does thin the mix.
it also enhances the production of vapor.
regards
mike
Just as in life, discussions don't take place in a vacuum. Someone who doesn't know me can't possibly tell me what addiction is for me- it is different for everyone. There are patterns involving many people- such as smoking, drinking, use of illicit substances and even vaping. Some people get addicted to those substances or acts; some don't. Some are addicted to those substances or acts and never suffer as a result of that addiction, some do...
When there is no KNOWN significant harm it is referred to as a habit or dependence. You are free to misuse and redefine well defined words in your own mind for your own purposes but it is factually incorrect to use those mis-defined uses in discussions with others. You can make stuff up in your own mind if you want, but you cannot do that in public discussions. Without getting called on it, as you are now.
It's also important to separate psychological addiction (which is basically what is being discussed) from physical addiction. Physical addiction is when you experience withdrawal symptoms when the substance is withheld. I am physically addicted to caffeine because I get irritable and headaches when I haven't had my coffee. I am not physically addicted to nicotine because I have not vaped for days at a time and experienced no ill effects. Physical addiction + harmful substance = problem. Psychological addiction is much harder to quantify; I am far more concerned with avoiding harmful substances that cause physical addiction than with trying to determine if I have an "addictive personality."
As far as harm from vaping PG, it would be wrong to say definitively that there is zero harm. Hell, there is harm from drinking too much water! But we do know that PG is safe as used in thousands of everyday products. Thus, any harm from inhaling PG would be respiratory-tract-specific; once it's in our bloodstreams, it's really no different from ingesting it. Based on the scant evidence we do have now and the real world experience of millions of vapers over the last decade or so (give or take), I think the arrow on the safety gauge points more towards the safe side than the harmful side.
As vices go, I see vaping as pretty harmless. Until valid scientific evidence emerges that contradicts that view, I feel pretty safe in continuing to practice this vice. Everything else is just so much noise with an agenda than anything else.
As far as harm from vaping PG, it would be wrong to say definitively that there is zero harm. Hell, there is harm from drinking too much water! But we do know that PG is safe as used in thousands of everyday products. Thus, any harm from inhaling PG would be respiratory-tract-specific; once it's in our bloodstreams, it's really no different from ingesting it. Based on the scant evidence we do have now and the real world experience of millions of vapers over the last decade or so (give or take), I think the arrow on the safety gauge points more towards the safe side than the harmful side.
As vices go, I see vaping as pretty harmless. Until valid scientific evidence emerges that contradicts that view, I feel pretty safe in continuing to practice this vice. Everything else is just so much noise with an agenda than anything else.
You mentioned people add water to their liquid for more vapor. That is not a true statement. The reason people add water, specifically distilled water, is to thin it so that it may wick better. It may enhance it for you.. but the best I have seen is straight from the Humco bottle into my dripper.
The rest of what you stated is irrelevant to my comment.
What is significant harm? That could mean anything...
I think many vapers are addicted to vaping, whether it be the act of vaping, the nicotine or a combination of both. Read through enough posts and you will see why, or not...
Trust me, I would never say what is right for you.
That is irrelevant to my statement.
There can never be a clear definition because everyone is different...
No, they are NOT addicted. They may be dependent or they may have a habit. For the nth time, please use words as they were defined, not as you wish to redefine them.
Reasonable people understand the word "significant". In the context of addiction it was always meant to say that one's quality of life was severely degraded.
I think many, many are addicted; some may be dependent and for some it is just a habit. Addictions affect everyone differently...
Significant is quite different than severely... If one has a sensitivity to VG and has coughing fits in the morning, that's a significant reaction. If one ends up in the hospital due to a reaction to VG, that's pretty severe...
Maybe you missed my reply of a few minutes before yours. There are habits, there can be dependence and there are addictions. In order for a behavior to meet the threshold of addiction it must be known to result in significant harm. Vaping simply does not meet the threshold of addiction. It can meet the threshold of a habit or dependence, depending on individual circumstances.
When marriage is withdrawn it is generally traumatic in various ways.
I've seen posts where some literally live paycheck to paycheck, but always have vape mail coming in and have far more mods, tanks and gear than I do, and money isn't an issue for me. Sounds like a significant addiction to me...
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