Protank MicroCoil Discussion!!

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Hey Chanelvaps - sounds like we both made some progress. Woot!

So some good news to report - I got the best build I've done yet tonight. It's not great, but it's getting there after applying a few of the pointers I got. First I started with Mac's link to Super's youtube video on a tension wrap. I think the title implies this is now outdated, but it served me well as a starting point. This resulted in a much better coil. My first try, which I ended up keeping out of laziness, had some gaps that I worked around with a torch and squeeze. Again I suck at counting, but I think after backing out the starter wraps it ended up being an 11/10 wrap. This is what steam-engine worked out that I needed for a 1.6 ohm coil, and that's exactly where it landed.

The larger 2.0mm diameter allowed for more wick in the coil, and this was enough to fill the window without a 'flavor wick' jammed in. I think I understand why my last build sucked now. The extra wick on top was keeping the coil from getting hot enough. Cig's pointer on less cotton sunk in. Without that extra cotton in there the coil is burning nice and hot, and I'm blowing pretty impressive clouds with the AT. Finally!

There is still a lot of room for improvement, and tomorrow I'll rebuild the other AT with an eye toward trying to refine some of the rough points on this build. I definitely need to get something to spool the wire a bit better, but in the meantime the tape method is mostly working.

Question for you guys - are there any good posts or videos on how a pin vise is used, or which one is recommended? I found one that is focused on jewelry making and I think I get the idea, but I'm still trying to figure out how you guys are applying that to a coil wrap. Any pointers are most welcome!

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So my fresh coil from last night is giving a burnt taste now. I did a quick inspection and it looks a bit nasty in parts now. The juice I am running is very sweet, so expected to be rough on the coil. I did expect to do a little better than this on a fresh coil though. Based on where I am seeing the burnt juice on the coil I am pretty sure I was getting hot spots, so I think this is part of the problem. I will be rebuilding the other AT tonight with a similar method, but hopefully with a cleaner coil. We will see how it goes!

Question: Are you folks setting your coil in the base and trimming leads, etc before you wick it? e.g. do you end up wicking it through the window? So far I've been wicking it with the coil protruding from the top of the head for easier access during wicking, and then pulling it down into the base before trimming the leads. This is convenient, but it means I can't dry fire it to see where those hot spots might be. I recall foggy warning against dry firing with these heads, so maybe it's just not advisable period. Curious what you guys were doing.
 

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I don't have Mac's links or recommendations, but they have several of them on Amazon. This one has reasonably good reviews:

Mini Micro Drill Bit Set and Pin Vise Chuck 31 pcs: Micro Drill For Hobbies: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

Hey these pin vices look just like the "hand drill" I got from Harbor Freight years ago. Small metal cylinder with a chuck on the end and a mini bit collection. I always used it on PCBs for my guitar effect projects but is this the same thing?? If so is there a link to how to use it to wind your coils? I'm finally ordering my first batch of Kanthal when my unemployment finally starts getting here so I can just diy with my 20 evod heads I have stocked up from here on out.

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Question: Are you folks setting your coil in the base and trimming leads, etc before you wick it? e.g. do you end up wicking it through the window? So far I've been wicking it with the coil protruding from the top of the head for easier access during wicking, and then pulling it down into the base before trimming the leads. This is convenient, but it means I can't dry fire it to see where those hot spots might be. I recall foggy warning against dry firing with these heads, so maybe it's just not advisable period. Curious what you guys were doing.

Everything I've read says to leave the coil on the bit and set the bit in the head when you install the coil, then snip snip and set it. That way its right where it needs to be. If you wicked it first, you would have no way to make sure it wasn't set too low/too high.


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I also leave my coil on the bit and seat it in the base. Fasten in grommet, fasten in metal piece, trim leads, remove bit, add cotton.

So my fresh coil from last night is giving a burnt taste now. I did a quick inspection and it looks a bit nasty in parts now. The juice I am running is very sweet, so expected to be rough on the coil. I did expect to do a little better than this on a fresh coil though. Based on where I am seeing the burnt juice on the coil I am pretty sure I was getting hot spots, so I think this is part of the problem. I will be rebuilding the other AT tonight with a similar method, but hopefully with a cleaner coil. We will see how it goes!

Question: Are you folks setting your coil in the base and trimming leads, etc before you wick it? e.g. do you end up wicking it through the window? So far I've been wicking it with the coil protruding from the top of the head for easier access during wicking, and then pulling it down into the base before trimming the leads. This is convenient, but it means I can't dry fire it to see where those hot spots might be. I recall foggy warning against dry firing with these heads, so maybe it's just not advisable period. Curious what you guys were doing.
 

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Wow, impressed Jaime. But that's the idea. You build a redundancy process that works for you. Gives you the certainty you require. Say 25 is an ambitious approach, but hey. If you got the time, do the wind.

Good luck.

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Yea still have about 15 left between give to family member or myself or the Bf using em. When I need to I will rewick and start over.
 

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Yea still have about 15 left between give to family member or myself or the Bf using em. When I need to I will rewick and start over.
So I also wanted to state I have no clue what size drill blank I use lol. All I know is I do 10wraps with 28gauge and it works great. I ha proven the ten wrap theory for my rda works rhe same as well. Comes out to 1.5 every time.
 
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