Provaping verse Antivaping
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sometimes i think i am better off just going by how i feel in the short term and the hell with both sides of research..they all just cherry pick what their research provides. Both sides have agendas
nobody can convince me that both sides are driven by an agenda...cherry picking
Academic pursuits can dominate one's time. But in most Fields of Study, can pay Huge Dividends over a lifetime.
If you get some Free Time, you might read this work by Konstantinos E. Farsalinos MD, Kurt A. Kistler PhD, Gene Gillman PhD, Vassilis Voudris PhD
Evaluation of electronic cigarette liquids and aerosol for the presence of selected inhalation toxins
I think it is a Good Example of people who are Very Pro-vaping but are unafraid to point out that there might be Avoidable Risk in doing so.
And something if they were just "Pushing an Agenda", they would Not have Published it.
thank you and will read!! This is exactly what i am looking for. Thank you Zoid!!!
I'm Not sure if that is a Good or Bad Thing.
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I know that you are a reasonable person from what i have read of your post
I'm Not sure if that is a Good or a Bad Thing?
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It's meant to be a good thing
I'm Not sure if that is a Good or a Bad Thing?
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oh, and she is correct, you are a good person.
DeAnna2112
"I serve nor contribute to either provaping research or antivaping research....however i do support this forum. I do believe all researchers all have their own agendas...not this forum who has been very open minded of all that transpires in the research world...they leave it up to us to debate.
One serves to find only bad in vaping and the other serves in only finding the good in vaping. Anyone who really believes one side or the other doesn't have an agenda is kidding themselves. I have decided to go on vaping because my health has improved, but i don't know the long term effects. I certainly ain't going to believe in research that says it's harmful because my experience says differently, but time may prove other wise with vaping. I surely am not going to believe in provaping researchers because they are only out to say what we want to hear, thus increasing their financial increase and support. I will admit provaping research has called some things out and i think that is because they couldn't deny it...like diketones for example....which was a easy fix.
ALL researchers seek to fulfill an agenda..this or that..it's their reasoning for existing in their research. They all have sides to serve..one or the other. Which do we believe? i vape on not by research but what vaping has proved to me and my health"
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"I serve nor contribute to either provaping research or antivaping research....however i do support this forum. I do believe all researchers all have their own agendas...not this forum who has been very open minded of all that transpires in the research world...they leave it up to us to debate.
One serves to find only bad in vaping and the other serves in only finding the good in vaping. Anyone who really believes one side or the other doesn't have an agenda is kidding themselves. I have decided to go on vaping because my health has improved, but i don't know the long term effects. I certainly ain't going to believe in research that says it's harmful because my experience says differently, but time may prove other wise with vaping. I surely am not going to believe in provaping researchers because they are only out to say what we want to hear, thus increasing their financial increase and support. I will admit provaping research has called some things out and i think that is because they couldn't deny it...like diketones for example....which was a easy fix.
ALL researchers seek to fulfill an agenda..this or that..it's their reasoning for existing in their research. They all have sides to serve..one or the other. Which do we believe? i vape on not by research but what vaping has proved to me and my health"
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Ex smoker's vape because deep down inside they know the dangers of tobacco with all of it's toxins and carcinogens...... But, just because someone feels better vaping vs smoking does not make the activity safe or healthy............. Most people who quit smoking feel better when they start vaping........ However, a person is going to feel better after quitting the death sticks weather they vape or not....... The reason why people "feel better" after quitting the death sticks is because all of the crap in the commercial tobacco product has leached out of their system, so it has nothing to do with vaping........ Just because one does not feel the same vaping as they did when they smoked does in no way mean that vaping is harmless.....
Does that mean that I am trying to insinuate that vaping is bad or worse than tobacco? Not at all..... However, people have to be very careful on what they begin to believe......... I said something b4 on this forum that caused a giant argument and people flaming me but what I said is very logical and so I will say it again here..... The simple fact of the matter is us humans were not designed to breath in anything but air... If we were designed to breath in smoke then we would be born with a cigarette hanging out of our mouths... If we were designed to breath in vapor then we would be born with a mod/tank hanging out of our mouths.......... But since we weren't born that way, the logical conclusion is that we were born to breath the regular atmosphere around us...
So, if we were born to breath in the atmosphere around us, then when we intentionally do something that is not natural (like inhaling vapor or smoke) then it is reasonable to assume that something bad may happen... Every time humans do something that is not in balance with nature, then usually something bad results...
So, one must ask themselves if the act of inhaling atomized fumes from PG/VG, flavoring (since it's not natural) could possibly be bad for their health...........
My assumption to this question is YES it's bad because it's not natural........ just how bad vaping is I don't know as I am not privy to the research equipment and labs.......... Is it as bad as smoking tobacco? I highly doubt it simply due to the constituents of the vapor......... Harm reduction is the key phrase that is tossed around in this forum and I agree with that concept......... However, and like I stated above, I in no way (because it isn't natural) think that vaping is safe............... Just like with smoking tobacco, people have to decide weather they want to take the risk and vape....simple as that.
yeah fog due to heat meeting cold is natural and it's not full of PG/VG molecules inside the fog......... that's NOT the same as fog(vapor) coming off the heating element of a vaping device covered in e juice.
True, but factor in the pollution from cars and factories that add to air/fog. I've wiped dew off my car in Chicago and it was dirty.
Not arguing with you, just adding.[emoji106]
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lol .. I don't care if people argue with me
Yes, you are correct, there are lots of pollutants in the air for sure.... But we were not born to breath pollutants, smoke, vapor or anything else that our bodies are not designed to absorb to have a healthy body......... If you are the type of person who believes in evolution, then that would indicate that our bodies have not evolved fast enough to deal with the pollutants, vapor or smoke... If on the other hand you believe that God/ higher power, created everything to have a balance and a reason, then again, it's easy to see how we violate the natural order of things and that we usually suffer the consequences........ I do not know the dangers of vaping because I am not inside a research lab investigating but even if I was it wouldn't make a difference because some disorder/diseases may not manifest for many decades....THERE IS NO NEED TO YELL AXIOM[emoji4]
Yep. I'm the suffer the consequence person.
I don't think their will be any research pro or anti that is really going to have any impact on what mankind does. Some doctors/scientists probably don't want their name on anything that may discredit them later.
The research needs to be done not by a scientist but by a forensic account to see where and who all the money(in which direction a nd to whom)is going due to vaping research.
If their isn't someone that's going to make money in the end game then it wouldn't make a headline in the newspaper. [emoji106]
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Yep. I'm the suffer the consequence person.
I don't think their will be any research pro or anti that is really going to have any impact on what mankind does. Some doctors/scientists probably don't want their name on anything that may discredit them later.
The research needs to be done not by a scientist but by a forensic account to see where and who all the money(in which direction a nd to whom)is going due to vaping research.
If their isn't someone that's going to make money in the end game then it wouldn't make a headline in the newspaper. [emoji106]
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