Provaping verse Antivaping

Status
Not open for further replies.

go_player

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Mar 2, 2012
501
1,287
USA
It's been known for over 1/2 a century that smoking leads to frequent sore throats and colds.... Smoking interferes with the vitamin C absorption and therefor the proper functioning of the immune system.

Sure, smoking does make you more susceptible to colds and flus- that's just some basic knowledge right there. I don't think there's much evidence it has to do with Vitamin C though (feel free to provide a cite and educate me on this subject though.) Smoking does have a pretty bad effect on your cilia, and those cilia perform a number of important functions. Some of them help prevent colds and flus, so it's not surprising that smoking makes you more susceptible.

Sorry, and not that it matters, but I do not agree that vaping improves one's health or makes them feel better..........

Since she started breathing the fumes in from the lavender oil, she has not had a cold or flu in over 10 years... This is because lavender has anti-microbial properties to it....

So let me get this straight... you dismiss quite a lot of anecdotal reports of less colds and flus from vapers out of hand, but then report an anecdote involving one subject (your wife) sniffing lavender? I'm less than convinced.

I'm not that interested in the incidence of colds though, tbh. I am very interested in the diseases that catch up with us, if nothing else does. Alzheimer's is a terrifying disease. I've known a few people who had it, and to be perfectly honest if I were diagnosed with it I'd take myself out to the backyard on a nice sunny afternoon and end things while I had the chance to go out with some dignity.

It turns out that smokers are less likely to develop Alzheimer's than non-smokers. We don't know why that's the case, but it's interesting to note that nicotine is structurally similar to acetylcholine, a brain chemical that declines in Alzheimer's patients. Further study is needed, but there are reasons to believe that nicotine might help prevent Alzheimer's.

Further, nicotine makes you more alert, more focussed, and in large doses more relaxed. I'm inclined to call that "better health," though I know that's controversial.
 

AXIOM_1

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
  • Jul 6, 2015
    4,874
    12,939
    Pennsylvania, USA
    Sure, smoking does make you more susceptible to colds and flus- that's just some basic knowledge right there. I don't think there's much evidence it has to do with Vitamin C though (feel free to provide a cite and educate me on this subject though.) Smoking does have a pretty bad effect on your cilia, and those cilia perform a number of important functions. Some of them help prevent colds and flus, so it's not surprising that smoking makes you more susceptible.





    So let me get this straight... you dismiss quite a lot of anecdotal reports of less colds and flus from vapers out of hand, but then report an anecdote involving one subject (your wife) sniffing lavender? I'm less than convinced.

    I'm not that interested in the incidence of colds though, tbh. I am very interested in the diseases that catch up with us, if nothing else does. Alzheimer's is a terrifying disease. I've known a few people who had it, and to be perfectly honest if I were diagnosed with it I'd take myself out to the backyard on a nice sunny afternoon and end things while I had the chance to go out with some dignity.

    It turns out that smokers are less likely to develop Alzheimer's than non-smokers. We don't know why that's the case, but it's interesting to note that nicotine is structurally similar to acetylcholine, a brain chemical that declines in Alzheimer's patients. Further study is needed, but there are reasons to believe that nicotine might help prevent Alzheimer's.

    Further, nicotine makes you more alert, more focussed, and in large doses more relaxed. I'm inclined to call that "better health," though I know that's controversial.

    I think you must have misunderstood what I said about anti microbial agents......... I in no way am in disagreement..... I told the story about my wife because of anecdotal evidence that tends to support the thought that the anti microbial properties of PG could very well help ward off colds.....It seems very logical since inhaling lavender fumes has that effect.

    What I am saying though is that every person, (@circa pre vaping period) I have talked to that has ever quit smoking felt much better and it was NOT due to vaping as that would have been impossible since vaping did not exist in that time period.

    Of course nicotine relaxes and tends to make people alert in a moderate amount, that's why I vape with nicotine added.
     

    AXIOM_1

    Vaping Master
    ECF Veteran
  • Jul 6, 2015
    4,874
    12,939
    Pennsylvania, USA
    Sure, smoking does make you more susceptible to colds and flus- that's just some basic knowledge right there. I don't think there's much evidence it has to do with Vitamin C though (feel free to provide a cite and educate me on this subject though.) Smoking does have a pretty bad effect on your cilia, and those cilia perform a number of important functions. Some of them help prevent colds and flus, so it's not surprising that smoking makes you more susceptible.





    So let me get this straight... you dismiss quite a lot of anecdotal reports of less colds and flus from vapers out of hand, but then report an anecdote involving one subject (your wife) sniffing lavender? I'm less than convinced.

    I'm not that interested in the incidence of colds though, tbh. I am very interested in the diseases that catch up with us, if nothing else does. Alzheimer's is a terrifying disease. I've known a few people who had it, and to be perfectly honest if I were diagnosed with it I'd take myself out to the backyard on a nice sunny afternoon and end things while I had the chance to go out with some dignity.

    It turns out that smokers are less likely to develop Alzheimer's than non-smokers. We don't know why that's the case, but it's interesting to note that nicotine is structurally similar to acetylcholine, a brain chemical that declines in Alzheimer's patients. Further study is needed, but there are reasons to believe that nicotine might help prevent Alzheimer's.

    Further, nicotine makes you more alert, more focussed, and in large doses more relaxed. I'm inclined to call that "better health," though I know that's controversial.

    Oh and I almost forgot...here is a link where you can read about smoking and Vitamin C as well as many other vitamins
    Smoking and Vitamin Absorption
     

    Robino1

    Resting in Peace
    ECF Veteran
    Sep 7, 2012
    27,447
    110,404
    Treasure Coast, Florida
    It's been known for over 1/2 a century that smoking leads to frequent sore throats and colds.... Smoking interferes with the vitamin C absorption and therefor the proper functioning of the immune system. I got totally sick of getting 3 or 4 nasty colds every year and so I started taking massive, daily, amounts of vitamin C (when I was still smoking).... After that I went for almost 8 years without getting one single cold (while still smoking)...

    Sorry, and not that it matters, but I do not agree that vaping improves one's health or makes them feel better.......... Years ago, b4 vaping was ever invented, I had talked with many folks who quit smoking........ In every single case, the people told me how much better they feel after quitting.... It's highly unlikely that vaping helped those people in the past since vaping did not exist at that time... A more logical conclusion would be that all of the toxins eventually left their system, their lungs started to repair themselves, and they got more oxygen to their brain and other vital organs.

    As for vaping helping reduce the frequency of colds, I have no comment in those regards.... My wife makes her own concentrated herbal oils and she always carries a small bottle of lavender oil with her and she constantly sniffs it throughout the day because it eliminates contracting upper respiratory disorders such as colds/flu's ... Since she started breathing the fumes in from the lavender oil, she has not had a cold or flu in over 10 years... This is because lavender has anti-microbial properties to it.... So, there may be merit to the thought that anti-microbial properties of PG help the body to fight off respiratory infections.... But that is a long way from improving one's overall health or experiencing the vigor one has after quitting smoking.

    Party pooper :glare:

    Ok, so maybe you can explain this: Hubby gets a cold or sickness of some sort several times a year. I never get sick any longer...
    :p
     

    AXIOM_1

    Vaping Master
    ECF Veteran
  • Jul 6, 2015
    4,874
    12,939
    Pennsylvania, USA
    Party pooper :glare:

    Ok, so maybe you can explain this: Hubby gets a cold or sickness of some sort several times a year. I never get sick any longer...
    :p

    I ALREADY stated that the anecdotal evidence points in the direction that PG could possibly help at warding off colds.... I must be talking backwards today as nobody is understanding my posts lol
     

    stols001

    Moved On
    ECF Veteran
    May 30, 2017
    29,338
    108,119
    I can add my anecdotal evidence that I caught more.... stuff, smoking cigarettes. Usually *started* with a cold or flu but towards the end there, if I caught one, I went ahead and made an appointment with my doc about a week out as I fully knew I wasn't going to recover from it like a normal person.....I'd usually end up with bronchitis or pneumonia, where I KNOW a non-smoking person would probably have gotten better from that illness without abx.

    I agree with everyone's statements that talking to non-smokers who cold turkeyed it, reported the exact same improvements as myself, without vaping. I completely agree that a lot of the improvement is due to not inhaling tar, or smoking at all. That said, I'm still going to give props toward vaping as it is *keeping* me from smoking. I wouldn't say that vaping is without risk at this point, but I feel better than I remember since I started smoking and I'm quite sure my lungs will improve more. I don't think I'd say vaping nicotine is safer than nothing at this point, but Altzheimers runs pretty steadily along one side of my family tree, and that's one disease I will be more than happy not to get, if it so happens. Eek.

    Anna
     

    JCinFLA

    Vaping Master
    ECF Veteran
    Verified Member
    Oct 21, 2015
    9,403
    44,612
    It seems that I was apparently an exception to smoking making you more prone to catch colds, the flu, etc. I smoked 1 - 1 1/2 PAD for 42+ years. During that time I had maybe at most 3-4 colds, and never had the flu, bronchitis, pneumonia, etc. For 30 of those 42 years I was an elementary school teacher, so I was also regularly exposed to kids who'd come to school with colds and flu, and even quite a few who were at the contagious stages with mumps and chicken pox. I've still never had those 2 communicable diseases!

    Granted, I was always a very healthy kid and teen, too, even before I started smoking. But my health didn't change as a smoker, far as "catching" commonly passed around illnesses. My resistance stayed the same.

    My 2 older brothers, who are also former long-time smokers (1 smoked 2- 2 1/2 PAD for more than 45 years)...had similar health growing up and while they were smokers. IMO, genetics plays a huge part as far as one's resistance to common illnesses, whether someone's a current smoker, a former smoker, or has never smoked. Colds, the flu, etc. were, and still are, very rarely experienced by any of my family members. In fact, my Dad lived to be 81, and my Mom's still going strong at 92!

    Just my 2 cents about that topic.
     

    DaveP

    PV Master & Musician
    ECF Veteran
    May 22, 2010
    16,733
    42,646
    Central GA
    Whether there's something in the vape that is detrimental to human health or not, vaping is what finally allowed me to throw away my cigarettes and never look back. I've been vaping for a little over 7 years now and not smoking for over 6 years. The other times I quit smoking lasted days, weeks, or months before I went back. I quit once for two years and bought a pack during a particularly stressful time in my life. Then, I was hooked again.

    Hand to mouth is hard to break. If there's a bowl of candy in sight I'm walking over to it for a sample. Smoking is a stress reducer and so is vaping. I never plan to give up vaping.

    When I started vaping I considered it to be obviously less dangerous than smoking, but it allowed me to recreate the act of smoking and give up the smokes for good. For me, that's a wonderful thing. I traded something that produces significant carcinogens for something that's been found to be relatively harmless compared to smoking. I use the term relatively because there may be a gotcha in it somewhere. Apparently, that hasn't been discovered in the 10 or more years that it's been popular.

    That said, I realize that anything you inhale is likely to have some drawback unless it's plain old CLEAN air. There's not that much clean air unless you remove yourself from automobiles and industry and move to a relatively uninhabited area. Even then, prevailing winds will bring you the bad stuff in less concentrated amounts.

    I try to minimize the hazards by vaping at 8W to 10W and when I use TC mode I limit it to 400F. That's below the level that's supposed to form the nasty chemicals.

    The last time I smoked was in April of 2011. At that time, vaping had cut me from 2PAD to about 8 cigs per day. At that point it seemed pointless to buy another pack as long as I had my vape. I quit and never had a craving for one. It was pretty amazing. I was hooked before vaping.

    I'm glad to see that there are doctors who have endeavored to find anything bad in our vape. So far, it seems to be safe for those who keep the vape cool.
     

    Tonee N

    Vaping Master
    ECF Veteran
    Verified Member
    Mar 24, 2017
    4,459
    9,789
    Nevada
    Last edited:

    DeAnna2112

    Super Member
    ECF Veteran
    Verified Member
    Apr 21, 2015
    817
    1,732
    Indiana

    Tonee N

    Vaping Master
    ECF Veteran
    Verified Member
    Mar 24, 2017
    4,459
    9,789
    Nevada
    What the hell is this suppose to mean, i have converted 15 older teens to vaping!! i even stated this early on in the thread. Does anyone read anymore? i have restated my point in this thread several times yet no one wants to directly answer it.
    Don't kill the messenger.[emoji6]

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk
     

    DeAnna2112

    Super Member
    ECF Veteran
    Verified Member
    Apr 21, 2015
    817
    1,732
    Indiana
    Because it fits in with vaping research and the false conclusions of studies.
    I meant no harm.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk

    I have those very same teens at my house tonight, sorry if i misunderstood you. I have vape clouds everywhere as i cook for everyone :thumbs:
     

    Tonee N

    Vaping Master
    ECF Veteran
    Verified Member
    Mar 24, 2017
    4,459
    9,789
    Nevada
    I have those very same teens at my house tonight, sorry if i misunderstood you. I have vape clouds everywhere as i cook for everyone :thumbs:
    Have them read it and see what they say.
    Whatcha having for dinner? Can I come over? I'll bring eliquid.[emoji6]

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk
     

    AXIOM_1

    Vaping Master
    ECF Veteran
  • Jul 6, 2015
    4,874
    12,939
    Pennsylvania, USA
    It seems that I was apparently an exception to smoking making you more prone to catch colds, the flu, etc. I smoked 1 - 1 1/2 PAD for 42+ years. During that time I had maybe at most 3-4 colds, and never had the flu, bronchitis, pneumonia, etc. For 30 of those 42 years I was an elementary school teacher, so I was also regularly exposed to kids who'd come to school with colds and flu, and even quite a few who were at the contagious stages with mumps and chicken pox. I've still never had those 2 communicable diseases!

    Granted, I was always a very healthy kid and teen, too, even before I started smoking. But my health didn't change as a smoker, far as "catching" commonly passed around illnesses. My resistance stayed the same.

    My 2 older brothers, who are also former long-time smokers (1 smoked 2- 2 1/2 PAD for more than 45 years)...had similar health growing up and while they were smokers. IMO, genetics plays a huge part as far as one's resistance to common illnesses, whether someone's a current smoker, a former smoker, or has never smoked. Colds, the flu, etc. were, and still are, very rarely experienced by any of my family members. In fact, my Dad lived to be 81, and my Mom's still going strong at 92!

    Just my 2 cents about that topic.

    yep, genetics plays a factor in everything health related......... yeah I would say you are the exception as most folks I know suffered from frequent colds while smoking (me included)......... But, like the link I posted above shows, they know for a fact that smoking really interferes with the absorption of many vitamins.......... Most folks pay the price whenever their vitamin and mineral absorption decline ..... But there are always exceptions to most general rules.
     

    DeAnna2112

    Super Member
    ECF Veteran
    Verified Member
    Apr 21, 2015
    817
    1,732
    Indiana
    Have them read it and see what they say.
    Whatcha having for dinner? Can I come over? I'll bring eliquid.[emoji6]

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk

    Grilled pork chops with fried potatoes and corn..smelling good out on my back porch and my glass of wine
     
    Status
    Not open for further replies.

    Users who are viewing this thread