Vapers are FED UP

[CloudyFutures]

So, I think there has been a lot of back and forth as to whether vaping is really safer than cigarettes. We as Vapers know that it is safer because we have done the research. But I think in the eyes of smokers and non-smokers, they really don't know if it is safer. Sometimes it even has me questioning whether vaping is healthier. But then my sanity takes over.

This post was sparked by watching a video from Grimm Green just now. The first person I've ever seen to finally say that vaping is 95% safer than smoking. And quit with all the Bull Shi it, listening to anyone who tells you otherwise.

It's a shame that only vapers know it's safer. Everyone else can't be bothered to do the research. They just listen to all the mainstream BS! "Yea, vaping is just as bad, people are dying cause of vaping." "Yea, they're banning vape mail because it's the same thing as tobacco."

 

[Territoo]

So, I think there has been a lot of back and forth as to whether vaping is really safer than cigarettes. We as Vapers know that it is safer because we have done the research. But I think in the eyes of smokers and non-smokers, they really don't know if it is safer. Sometimes it even has me questioning whether vaping is healthier. But then my sanity takes over.

This post was sparked by watching a video from Grimm Green just now. The first person I've ever seen to finally say that vaping is 95% safer than smoking. And quit with all the Bull Shi it, listening to anyone who tells you otherwise.

It's a shame that only vapers know it's safer. Everyone else can't be bothered to do the research. They just listen to all the mainstream BS! "Yea, vaping is just as bad, people are dying cause of vaping." "Yea, they're banning vape mail because it's the same thing as tobacco."

It's all about politics and money. It's not about health and has never been. Politicians are in the pockets of BT, BP, and all of the ANTZ groups who have wads of millions of dollars to pay them to effectively stop vaping, so that we either switch to the ineffective pharmaceuticals or start smoking again. I'm not one for government run healthcare, but in the UK, where they have to pay for the negative effects of smoking, you get the 95% safer truth, and they encourage their smokers to switch to vaping. They didn't have the EVALI problems either.

 

[Falconeer]

Territoo has summed it up in a nutshell IMHO.

Two things - pre the EU bringing in TPD which placed restrictions on max strength of nicotine allowed to be sold, limited the size of bottles that E Liquid could be sold in and limited the size of tanks - Big Pharma made a report to the EU strongly backing limitations - BECAUSE VAPING HAD RESTRICTED THEIR MARKET AND WAS AFFECTING THEIR PROFITS - this is an open document.

It is worth digging out Public Health England's papers on vaping - they still say it is 95% safer than smoking and most effective in helping people stop smoking.

 

[CloudyFutures]

It's all about politics and money. It's not about health and has never been. Politicians are in the pockets of BT, BP, and all of the ANTZ groups who have wads of millions of dollars to pay them to effectively stop vaping, so that we either switch to the ineffective pharmaceuticals or start smoking again. I'm not one for government run healthcare, but in the UK, where they have to pay for the negative effects of smoking, you get the 95% safer truth, and they encourage their smokers to switch to vaping. They didn't have the EVALI problems either.

So our world is all about money? Not health?

 

[Territoo]

So our world is all about money? Not health?

Money and power.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

@Territoo hit the nail on the head

@Falconeer then hit the homerun

 

[robrrt]

If vaping had been proven a health risk, how can any sensible person agree with banned shipping methods and creating mountains of red tape... instead of simply outlawing it?

 

[Territoo]

If vaping had been proven a health risk, how can any sensible person agree with banned shipping methods and creating mountains of red tape... instead of simply outlawing it?

They key word in your question is sensible. Since when have politicians been sensible?

 

[Spydro]

It's like just about everything else in America... it's all about control and the all mighty buck.

 

[AngeNZ]

Territoo has summed it up in a nutshell IMHO.

Two things - pre the EU bringing in TPD which placed restrictions on max strength of nicotine allowed to be sold, limited the size of bottles that E Liquid could be sold in and limited the size of tanks - Big Pharma made a report to the EU strongly backing limitations - BECAUSE VAPING HAD RESTRICTED THEIR MARKET AND WAS AFFECTING THEIR PROFITS - this is an open document.

It is worth digging out Public Health England's papers on vaping - they still say it is 95% safer than smoking and most effective in helping people stop smoking.

Here's the 2021 version:
Research and analysis
Vaping in England: 2021 evidence update summary
Published 23 February 2021

 

[jcoopercam]

Does anyone know what you call it when private corporations and government collude for a common goal?

 

[Territoo]

"The classic definition of fascism is a situation in which Big Business and Big Government are formally united in their aims and in many aspects of their administration. Government directs business toward what and how much to produce, and business looks to the authority of government to establish and protect its interests." The Distribution Review

 

[retired1]

Let's tread carefully folks. Otherwise the thread will be moved to a more appropriate venue for political discussions.

 

[Territoo]

Sorry. Just answering @jcoopercam's question.

 

[Skeebo]

A seemingly normal picture. But there is an evil hidden beneath the surface. I can see it... A raised arm in salute to it's cruel master and it's boot, crushing down upon the face of it's enemy. Behold the Goose Step, the dance of crazed Tyrants !!! I see it. I see it all.

 

[Craig2021]

All of this is about teens and vaping. Everyone making the laws continue to forget that vaping is already illegal for teens. So the rest of us are punished because teens continue to break the law. The studies that need to be done have to show that vaping is the best quit smoking tool there is.

 

[AvaOrchid]

Does anyone know what you call it when private corporations and government collude for a common goal?

Oligarchy but it's not really when private corporations in the government collude it's when private corporations are in fact running the country. And I would say that it is by all standards probably the level of governance that we have in the United States probably over the past 20-30 years at least I don't know any further back than that It's not any one party it's all of them or at least all of the big two I don't really know the platforms of everybody but by the standard that we place upon other countries when deciding what form of government they truly have we would be in oligarchy

 

[Izan]

Oligarchy but it's not really when private corporations in the government collude it's when private corporations are in fact running the country. And I would say that it is by all standards probably the level of governance that we have in the United States probably over the past 20-30 years at least I don't know any further back than that It's not any one party it's all of them or at least all of the big two I don't really know the platforms of everybody but by the standard that we place upon other countries when deciding what form of government they truly have we would be in oligarchy

As noted elsewhere (I can't remember),
This whole Democracy/ Republic thing, where the common folk have any direct influence on the way things run, is a less than 300 year old experiment.
It's going to take a while to iron out the bugs. "Bugs" being code for "the way the world has run since the beginning of time."


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