ProVari 3, 30 watts upgrade?

[imsoenthused]

The guy behind the counter at Vapor Kings today told me they just received a second batch of P3 betas, to be sold, per Provape, for $250. They've had the first demo ones for a while, and he said the new ones go up to 30 watts instead of 20. No idea if this is accurate but I thought it was interesting enough to pass along.

 

[Moodyfisherman]

Seems highly unlikely with all that Provape has said on the thread they have been responding to? How much faith do you have in the B&M guy telling you this?

 

[ItTechy]

The guy behind the counter at Vapor Kings today told me they just received a second batch of P3 betas, to be sold, per Provape, for $250. They've had the first demo ones for a while, and he said the new ones go up to 30 watts instead of 20. No idea if this is accurate but I thought it was interesting enough to pass along.

Personally I would post this question directly to Provape on their support page.

Although they are letting the B&M' sell them first, they are still the manufacturer and can validate any performance claims; or is there any literature with the betas stating such?

Being a Provari 2.5 owner of 4 units I have a problem with jumping up and being an unpaid field tester of their product which is essentially what Provape and the dealers are doing.

I have used one, held it, played with it, and it reminds me of new software, or even hardware.

When the first 1 TB hard drives were released to the public everyone had to have one, only to find out that they had some issues, be it the manufacturer replaced the drives when they failed, you still lost your data.

The very reputable company offered no remediation unless the units totally failed, yet they improved and redesigned them to overt this issue in later production.
(The prices also dropped some; imagine that)!

Same with new model automobiles the first year a new model is offered for sale from any manufacturer.

A close friend of mine is a Lincoln / Mercury / Ford technician; when the Lincoln LS first came out it had like 126 running wiring changes in the first year of production, it was one of the biggest pieces of junk, especially being a luxury car. After the first couple years it was a good, dependable auto....
(See my point here)?

I may buy a P3, but not until Provape offers them direct and they have been out a year or so....why should I beta test their device on my dime?

 

[imsoenthused]

He's been at Vapor Kings a long time, but I didn't see or verify it. I would rate it possible either way. Posted it mostly to see if anyone else had heard anything. Not sure how they could do it with the performance limitations of those pointless 18350 batteries, but it is what I was told by a guy holding a P3 beta in his hand.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Provape has been quoted as saying that 20 watts is their limit for safe usage. This is speculated to be because the P3 will come with all the tubes required to configure it for 18650/500/350 batteries. Since the weakest link in that family is the 18350, 20 watts was marked as the safe power limit, based on the amp ratings of most available bats of that size.

If a 30 watt limit were true, I'm sure Provape would be trying to broadcast that since they've been vocal about their reasoning regarding a cap at 20 watts.

 

[cocacola31173]

I don't see how people are vaping at such high wattages. I have Kayfuns and usually build them around 1.4 to 1.5 ohms If I go higher then 4 volts it tastes burnt to me, I don't know how many watts that would add up to though.

I don't see how people can have sub ohm builds and vape at high watts. For me the lower the build the less power it takes.

 

[Miata GT]

I don't see how people are vaping at such high wattages. I have Kayfuns and usually build them around 1.4 to 1.5 ohms If I go higher then 4 volts it tastes burnt to me, I don't know how many watts that would add up to though.

I don't see how people can have sub ohm builds and vape at high watts. For me the lower the build the less power it takes.

It's all in the build. Your build would be at about 10.5 watts which is below the standard I always used at 12 watts for my Kayfuns. When you go to a smaller gauge wire you can keep the same resistance but increase the wattage, increasing both flavor and vapor output.

 

[jjk1]

Provape has been quoted as saying that 20 watts is their limit for safe usage. This is speculated to be because the P3 will come with all the tubes required to configure it for 18650/500/350 batteries. Since the weakest link in that family is the 18350, 20 watts was marked as the safe power limit, based on the amp ratings of most available bats of that size.

If a 30 watt limit were true, I'm sure Provape would be trying to broadcast that since they've been vocal about their reasoning regarding a cap at 20 watts.

or they updated the "IQ" to not allow 30 watts with 18350s and the firware to allow 30 watts with the other batts. - - I pridect this thread goes off the rails by noon today.

 

[ENAUD]

Fingers crossed, this would be great news if true.

OP, Provape is actively following this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provape/592747-official-provari-3-thread-p3.html#post13882699 , any chance of a post from Provape directly would require it to be in their sub-forum. I'm sure if the increase is true, it won't take long for the word to get out.

 

[VaPreis]

Intriguing......

Just this morning, I was talking with my wife about scrapping the idea of waiting on the P3 and purchasing a Vapor Shark rDNA instead. As much as I enjoyed the evening I spent using a beta P3, I realized that do enjoy vaping over 20 watts more often then not.

30 watts and a current limit increase would bring me back into the fold.

Safe to say, I'm sure this subject is what has been reported back to Provape most frequently during beta testing.....perhaps they are listening.

If the IQ feature actually works, then limiting power output in 18350 mode shouldn't be a problem for the device.

 

[JohnD0406]

I opened a ticket at ProVape, asking them to clarify this rumor, both here and on the official ECF thread. Now we wait....

 

[Katdarling]

anyone?

 

[suspectK]

It's all in the build. Your build would be at about 10.5 watts which is below the standard I always used at 12 watts for my Kayfuns. When you go to a smaller gauge wire you can keep the same resistance but increase the wattage, increasing both flavor and vapor output.

It's mostly in the airflow+the build... I have my origen drilled out at 1/8"..it doesn't even get close to being warm enough with 50 Watts on it..but when it was stock, it would be too hot at 50 Watts...optimal power was around 25-35 Watts...and a kayfun doesn't hold up with heat.. regardless of the airflow you have to it, the evaporation chamber is so confined, heat builds up easily and fast. Drilling the airhole out will eventually lead to you not getting enough negative pressure to pull liquid to wicks also..so while the kayfun is a great atomizer, it isn't a good gauge for how a dripper handles heat.

And just to clarify, I know you know, but your wording is confusing with it. Lower number gauge= larger wire/less resistance.. which can hold up with higher voltages.

If you're vaping above 20 Watts, you'll probably want to stick with 26-28awg..or twisted or multiple wire/"parallel" coil.

 

[Vlad1]

The guy behind the counter at Vapor Kings today told me they just received a second batch of P3 betas, to be sold, per Provape, for $250. They've had the first demo ones for a while, and he said the new ones go up to 30 watts instead of 20. No idea if this is accurate but I thought it was interesting enough to pass along.

No disrespect intended toward Vapor KIngs but some of the staff I've dealt with had me leaving wondering where they were getting their information. For example one of the employee's stated to me that resistance of the atty had nothing to do with power it was only the volts that mattered... Didn't even try to go into it in more detail with him and shortly left. I would take what they say with a grain of salt. You could go to one of their other locations and discuss it with them there to see if the stories match or not.

 

[Miata GT]

It's mostly in the airflow+the build... I have my origen drilled out at 1/8"..it doesn't even get close to being warm enough with 50 Watts on it..but when it was stock, it would be too hot at 50 Watts...optimal power was around 25-35 Watts...and a kayfun doesn't hold up with heat.. regardless of the airflow you have to it, the evaporation chamber is so confined, heat builds up easily and fast. Drilling the airhole out will eventually lead to you not getting enough negative pressure to pull liquid to wicks also..so while the kayfun is a great atomizer, it isn't a good gauge for how a dripper handles heat.

And just to clarify, I know you know, but your wording is confusing with it. Lower number gauge= larger wire/less resistance.. which can hold up with higher voltages.

If you're vaping above 20 Watts, you'll probably want to stick with 26-28awg..or twisted or multiple wire/"parallel" coil.

That's a very good point. Not everyone would realize a smaller gauge equals a larger wire. For my Kayfuns I did not increase the size of the airflow holes although you are right, airflow is a big factor in being able to increase wattage.

 

[tearose50]

No disrespect intended toward Vapor KIngs but some of the staff I've dealt with had me leaving wondering where they were getting their information. For example one of the employee's stated to me that resistance of the atty had nothing to do with power it was only the volts that mattered... Didn't even try to go into it in more detail with him and shortly left. I would take what they say with a grain of salt. You could go to one of their other locations and discuss it with them there to see if the stories match or not.

You may have run into one of the bigger misconceptions about the differences that make sense to me, but apparently not many.

VW checks the ohms of the atty and then does the math to set the power/Watts level you have set.
VV sets the power to the voltage you set.

Maybe too simplified and probably not all the correct technical jargon, but it works for me.

 

[brickfollett]

I don't see how people are vaping at such high wattages. I have Kayfuns and usually build them around 1.4 to 1.5 ohms If I go higher then 4 volts it tastes burnt to me, I don't know how many watts that would add up to though.

I don't see how people can have sub ohm builds and vape at high watts. For me the lower the build the less power it takes.

May have been stated already but its a two factor issue. Airflow is one, which keeps the coils cool. Kayfuns don't have much. Wicking is the second. Kayfuns wick pretty well, but they just can't move the juice fast enough to vape at an extreme wattage (at least I can't build it that way yet)

With drippers, your sloshing the juice all over the wicks and doing it often, so you never get a dry hit. That, paired with increased airflow, doesn't increase the temperature of the vape over the Kayfun, it just goes through ALOT more juice and produces a lot more vapor

 

[Midniteoyl]

or they updated the "IQ" to not allow 30 watts with 18350s and the firware to allow 30 watts with the other batts. - - I pridect this thread goes off the rails by noon today.

Dont steal my predictions.. Who do you think you are? China?


LMAO! Sorry, couldn't resist

 

[imsoenthused]

I never said this info is accurate, just that he said it. I too have gotten bad info from newer people at Vapor Kings. Then again, this guy has been working at VKs at least since shortly after the original Tulsa retail location opened. I'd like to believe it, but it could be bad info.

 

[ItTechy]

I opened a ticket at ProVape, asking them to clarify this rumor, both here and on the official ECF thread. Now we wait....

That's the ticket.....yeah...yeah...and I am the Pope....yeah...yeah... (Old SNL)

Like I mentioned previously, I would wait regardless of the answer..!

IMHO

But at least you will get the most correct answer possible!

I mean if you don't already own a Provari I understand, but then again, I'd still wait...LOL

Buy a 2.5 in the classys, you can always pick up a Mini (I have two), buy a Tatroe Extender ring, use the Provape Extended cap and viola, 18650 Provari Big Boy!

Completely convertible just like the P3....I have been doing this with my Mini' !

I think this aspect of the Mini' is obviously overlooked!

I vape way too much to use the smaller batteries.

The fact that I can convert it to a true mini is really kewl if I go out to a nice restaurant or something...that way I don't have to carry my "night stick"

Matter of fact I just picked up a new Mini for $150.00!

Best!