ok so... someone sell me on one of the two.... size and weight is not a big deal, i know they are both pretty durable. i thought i was decieded on the provari, but now im considering the darwin again. price doesnt concern me between the two because they will really be about the same with batteries and charger and everything, this will be my 1st major mod. my uses will be cartos or tank mod when im at school, and dripping when im at home, someone please help me decide!
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The Darwin is kind of an oddly built device. But, it does let you dial in your desired watts, which is a little more straightforward than figuring out how many volts your particular atty should get to find your sweet spot. There have been complaints about the VV dial being accidentally adjusted and the stiffness of the firing button. If you go the Darwin route, you might want to invest in a Gooseneck from ttteliquids.com. It might save you from having to unscrew a tank (MAP tank, Liquinator, etc.) before you lower the arm to power it down.
The Provari is nice, too. The voltage-doubling circuit will halve your battery life, but it's still a nice device. It's got a little catch cup on top for any juice spills. The voltage settings and shutoff switch are all menu driven. Occasionally, I'll hit a menu when I'm vaping instead of it just firing like normal. The battery connection is a little too airy for a Drip On Demand kit, which requires a good seal to work properly.
I think you'd probably be happy with either device.
The Provari is nice, too. The voltage-doubling circuit will halve your battery life, but it's still a nice device. It's got a little catch cup on top for any juice spills. The voltage settings and shutoff switch are all menu driven. Occasionally, I'll hit a menu when I'm vaping instead of it just firing like normal. The battery connection is a little too airy for a Drip On Demand kit, which requires a good seal to work properly.
I think you'd probably be happy with either device.
I have heard people are having problems with their Darwins. Some have had to have it replaced 3 times. ProVari is a very reliable unit and one of the favorites of a lot of people here on ECF. This is the reason i went with the ProVari.
The Darwin my have the extra trick of wattage up its sleeve electrically but to me it is inferior in build to the Provari and that's why I went with the Provari.
Provari - one stainless steel tube, two solid stainless steel endcaps. All machined out of bar. Accepts off the shelf replacement batteries. Need extra runtime? Carry extra spare batteries. Extremely robust, no external moving parts during normal operation other than the fire button which is a quality switch.
Darwin - built in battery. Run down your battery and you need to go charge and wait, or presumably sit vaping attached by cable while it powers up again. What on earth were they thinking here? Other point - atomizer attached to a moving arm that sticks out of one side. It is a wear point and unless I am mistaken limits what can attached there without the use of adapters. Looks like it was designed by committee.
Just my thoughts
Provari - one stainless steel tube, two solid stainless steel endcaps. All machined out of bar. Accepts off the shelf replacement batteries. Need extra runtime? Carry extra spare batteries. Extremely robust, no external moving parts during normal operation other than the fire button which is a quality switch.
Darwin - built in battery. Run down your battery and you need to go charge and wait, or presumably sit vaping attached by cable while it powers up again. What on earth were they thinking here? Other point - atomizer attached to a moving arm that sticks out of one side. It is a wear point and unless I am mistaken limits what can attached there without the use of adapters. Looks like it was designed by committee.
Just my thoughts
mix, what kind of problems? if theres a thread can you link me up to them?
The Darwin my have the extra trick of wattage up its sleeve electrically but to me it is inferior in build to the Provari and that's why I went with the Provari.
Provari - one stainless steel tube, two solid stainless steel endcaps. All machined out of bar. Accepts off the shelf replacement batteries. Need extra runtime? Carry extra spare batteries. Extremely robust, no external moving parts during normal operation other than the fire button which is a quality switch.
Darwin - built in battery. Run down your battery and you need to go charge and wait, or presumably sit vaping attached by cable while it powers up again. What on earth were they thinking here? Other point - atomizer attached to a moving arm that sticks out of one side. It is a wear point and unless I am mistaken limits what can attached there without the use of adapters. Looks like it was designed by committee.
Just my thoughts
thanks for the thoughts olef!, i know the battery is internal on the darwin, but ive heard it can last a couple days without cahrging even under heavy vaping. i normally would plug mine in while sleeping. the arm thing does seem like kinda of pain but you can get gooseneck if you want a tank on there or something... people are swaying me towards a provari now!
I think these 2 are both good but Id go with a Buzz pro for reasons being you can use any atty on it without problems. Batt life is almost double that of the pro vari and device is lighter in weight. I have owned 2 pro varis and know what the limitations are on the attys. Never a problem on the Buzz Pro. The arm on the darwin would be a pain.
what kinda problems did you have and with what kinda attys? the arm on the darwin doesnt really bother me, i can get a gooseneck and pretty much put whatever i want on, weight and size arnt really big issues either, id prefer it big and rediculous so people stop yelling at me to quit smoking ciggs on campus, lol
Provari forever.
Stainless Steel. Protected display. Entirely sealed. It can actually take a beating, darwin will not. Works great with the new carto tanks on the market without a fail adapter.
Stainless Steel. Protected display. Entirely sealed. It can actually take a beating, darwin will not. Works great with the new carto tanks on the market without a fail adapter.
Yep, this lil debate has happened before..
Just like ole times !!!
lol, im new, im a college student so im broke, this will be my 1st real mod, they are expensive so i want to be sure i get something im gonna love and itll be worth it.. trust me ive been lookign at forums, video reviews and all sorts of stuff for about 3 weeks now, landlord and Odell, what are your opinions??
landlord, nice avatar... tonight...you
landlord, nice avatar... tonight...you
With the new 2500 batteries 1 1/2 to two days without a battery change and 1.5 or higher ohm will work who wants to run a 1.5 ohm at 6 volts a anyway. I use 1.8 lr attys up to 4.8 volts with no problem any higher burns juice. Provari all the way
Provari all the way. Don't think I could deal with the switch and fold down arm on the darwin. JMO!!
seems like there are more provari users out there... might sway my decision maybe i should go with my original choice... timandolly, the new batts ive seen them on the site, do they use the normal charger they sell or would i need a different one??
My 1st mod was/is a Darwin I got it 2 weeks ago and absolutely love it!!!! The Darwin is very well built.. I have no problems with the button like some people are saying. The vapor production is amazing each and every time I take a toot until the battery dies. I only have to charge it mini usb every 2 days. plus I can just plug it in and vape normally until fully charged. There is a 2 year warranty if anything goes wrong as well. You really will be very pleased with it if you decide to purchase it.
It hasn't left my side....I have to warn you though, you might have to step down your nicotine level of your nicquids it's got a kick
It hasn't left my side....I have to warn you though, you might have to step down your nicotine level of your nicquids it's got a kick
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Yes, this "debate" has been going on since both mods became available. However, I do not think there is any "debate" at all. They are BOTH quality high tech devices and both companies offer good customer support.
Everything in vaping is subjective. you like this juice and I prefer that one. One person prefers attys another cartos, etc.
Bottom line is that both of these vape well, they just do different things in different ways. As to what makes "pro(s)" vs "con(s)" is a matter of personal preference. There are ProVari fanboi(s)/goil(s) and there are Darwin fanboi(s)/goil(s). Each device has "features" and those features are just different. Which is "better" is a matter of personal preference. Clearly, by my sig line, I have a preference. I have had both devices and posted my "first impressions" of both devices (both very positive).
Both have had their share of issues and returns, and both companies stand behind their products. The warranties are different too. People can argue which had "more" issues but the only people who really know are the owners of each company. The more important question, on THIS subject, is "are the users/customers happy with their customer service?" and it seems most are happy with the customer service from both companies. ALL new high tech devices go thru some of this. The first iPhone had thousands of returns. The first Android phones had many problems too. Even several generations into an Android device like HTC's 4.3" phones (now out in 4 different versions) still has many returns - look up HTC Thunderbolt. But, the question remains - are the customers happy? There are iphone fans and Android fans - neither are "wrong" and neither product is "better" but one device may be "better" for one person and the other may be for someone else.
Some people prefer a tube shape and swappable batts, others prefer the thinner shape of Darwin. Some prefer having the size adjustability of ProVari (18650 & 18490 batts) and others prefer the longer life of a single charge and PT features of Darwin.
Some prefer digitally stable fixed volts (variable set thru menus) and others prefer the watts settings of Darwin.
When people say this one or that one is "better" they are stating their opinion based on their personal preferences of these various factors.
There is an extensive Provari thread here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provape/131028-provari-variable-voltage-mod.html
There is an extensive Darwin thread here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nhaler/151096-darwin-evolv.html
I'd encourage you to make a list of questions you may have about each device and post those questions in the respective threads. I would discourage you from asking in either thread "which is better" because that is the "debate" mentioned several times already in this thread.
If you are starting from scratch (need everything - incl batts and chargers), they come pretty close in price. many argue this point but if you buy Provari, the extension cap for larger batt, 2 batts, charger and the warranty extension (so they are both 2 yrs), the price becomes relatively comparable.
On the warranty side, the edge goes to Darwin because That warranty is transferable and last I checked, ProVari warranty was not transferrable. Darwin warranties batt for a full year and then charges $25 after the first year for a replacement (comes with a new full yr warranty). As far as I know, batts are not warrantied on ProVari. But, Darwin has to be sent in for batt replacement and not for ProVari. Darwin's batt is not proprietary an and "can" be changed by users who know how to solder the contacts but opening Darwin voids the warranty.
While this post may not address the question "which is better" I think a more realistic question might be "which is better for YOU?" and only you can answer THAT for yourself. I think both are quality devices that each take vaping in new directions. Each operates differently and each has different features. As I said, each feature - and the combinations of features that each device offers - is a matter of personal preference. Vapors can get defensive and/or adamant about their preferred and anyone saying one is definitively "better" is only really saying which is "better" for "them".
Hope this is somehow helpful to you.
Yes, this "debate" has been going on since both mods became available. However, I do not think there is any "debate" at all. They are BOTH quality high tech devices and both companies offer good customer support.
Everything in vaping is subjective. you like this juice and I prefer that one. One person prefers attys another cartos, etc.
Bottom line is that both of these vape well, they just do different things in different ways. As to what makes "pro(s)" vs "con(s)" is a matter of personal preference. There are ProVari fanboi(s)/goil(s) and there are Darwin fanboi(s)/goil(s). Each device has "features" and those features are just different. Which is "better" is a matter of personal preference. Clearly, by my sig line, I have a preference. I have had both devices and posted my "first impressions" of both devices (both very positive).
Both have had their share of issues and returns, and both companies stand behind their products. The warranties are different too. People can argue which had "more" issues but the only people who really know are the owners of each company. The more important question, on THIS subject, is "are the users/customers happy with their customer service?" and it seems most are happy with the customer service from both companies. ALL new high tech devices go thru some of this. The first iPhone had thousands of returns. The first Android phones had many problems too. Even several generations into an Android device like HTC's 4.3" phones (now out in 4 different versions) still has many returns - look up HTC Thunderbolt. But, the question remains - are the customers happy? There are iphone fans and Android fans - neither are "wrong" and neither product is "better" but one device may be "better" for one person and the other may be for someone else.
Some people prefer a tube shape and swappable batts, others prefer the thinner shape of Darwin. Some prefer having the size adjustability of ProVari (18650 & 18490 batts) and others prefer the longer life of a single charge and PT features of Darwin.
Some prefer digitally stable fixed volts (variable set thru menus) and others prefer the watts settings of Darwin.
When people say this one or that one is "better" they are stating their opinion based on their personal preferences of these various factors.
There is an extensive Provari thread here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provape/131028-provari-variable-voltage-mod.html
There is an extensive Darwin thread here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nhaler/151096-darwin-evolv.html
I'd encourage you to make a list of questions you may have about each device and post those questions in the respective threads. I would discourage you from asking in either thread "which is better" because that is the "debate" mentioned several times already in this thread.
If you are starting from scratch (need everything - incl batts and chargers), they come pretty close in price. many argue this point but if you buy Provari, the extension cap for larger batt, 2 batts, charger and the warranty extension (so they are both 2 yrs), the price becomes relatively comparable.
On the warranty side, the edge goes to Darwin because That warranty is transferable and last I checked, ProVari warranty was not transferrable. Darwin warranties batt for a full year and then charges $25 after the first year for a replacement (comes with a new full yr warranty). As far as I know, batts are not warrantied on ProVari. But, Darwin has to be sent in for batt replacement and not for ProVari. Darwin's batt is not proprietary an and "can" be changed by users who know how to solder the contacts but opening Darwin voids the warranty.
While this post may not address the question "which is better" I think a more realistic question might be "which is better for YOU?" and only you can answer THAT for yourself. I think both are quality devices that each take vaping in new directions. Each operates differently and each has different features. As I said, each feature - and the combinations of features that each device offers - is a matter of personal preference. Vapors can get defensive and/or adamant about their preferred and anyone saying one is definitively "better" is only really saying which is "better" for "them".
Hope this is somehow helpful to you.
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Nicely stated NebulaBrot and no matter which one the OP decides on he will be getting the top end of what the market has to offer in PV technology right now. Choosing between a Vari or a Darwin is difficult but it certainly beats deciding whether to buy a pack of Marb Reds or Lights!!!!
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