Yeah, the sub ohm cloud chasers are really going to spend that $50 in their pocket for a sub ohm Classic...
Provari, the ax has come for you
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Yeah, the sub ohm cloud chasers are really going to spend that $50 in their pocket for a sub ohm Classic...
Oh look another joker. This forum can be about the same thing over and over if it wants to. Have you SEEN the New Member forum lately?
Every post would LOVE to have you on there to say "Oh look another newbie asking questions".
If ya don't like the thread/post, stay off of it.
No one likes smart-alecs, or bullies.
No offence, but this is the type of stuff most new school vapers', say. Just for the record, too, there's people out there that still use vaping as a smoking cessation and not some cheap, 'oh look at me, I can chuck cloudz' crap.
This isn't some cheap hobby, like it is for oh so many people.
just because you enjoy a good burger doesnt justify it costing $100+, it should still be reasonably priced. Unless it's of course made of kobe beef or something rare or super high grade. I don't see any rare or high grade materials in a provari to justify that cost imo.
Hey, I was called a joker. By a dude blowing "clouds"! In his avatar.Haha.
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Sure there is, and 90% are still on their ego or kanger, Provari is not a base level product. Strike that. Provari is a base level product marketed as the best there is. You still haven't given one example of a provari out performing anything. My mod and RDA ran me $220 plus materials, and it performs flawlessly. I expect the same from my next purchase. I'm asking what makes a provari $250? Can anyone explain it?
i honestly dont know, it just seems anyone who is arguing is using the durability/reliability reason, or basically just saying 'because I can afford it'. This is a forum made for discussions, but when people try to counter argue or discuss, they just fly into threads insulting others who dont agree with their point of views, yet have no way of explaining how their own point/stance on the subject is valid or invalid other than flaming eachother on the way they vape, or making passive aggressive statements that bring no knowledge or no input to the discussion other than to put in their 2cents and insult anothers point of view. It's so childish. I don't care how old you are or how you vape, but some of you in here need to grow the hell up because you come across as children and not mature adults.
really funny and hyprocritical, i remember a certain someone stating "The most annoying part of most topics/threads, is all the stupid banter in between the topic at hand. Kinda like this post. Oh well." in another thread not long ago, they should probably follow their own advice.
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that is like over a year old though, jan 2014, and im sure they were ahead of the game back then still with their chipsets and such, but today the rest of the vaping industry has caught up. We saw a boom of high quality/performance products in 2014.
listed on their site, their provari has:
short circuit protection
amp limit
on/off mode
thermal monitoring
safe switch
battery monitoring
reverse circuit protection
there is nothing really special in there as alot of the chips we have nowadays include all of that. again im not saying provari is bad, or a good device. I am merely arguing that the price isnt justified at all, it is just a 15watt device that is made of the same materials as other more powerful devices that are leaps and bounds lower in cost.
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Not that it matters, but here are the items listed under the Sigelei150watt, $89 on a few websites like VapeNW.com, and $75 on FastTech.com
Sigelei 150w Box Mod:
•Variable wattage operating range: 10.0-150W (10-49W in 0.1W increments, 49-150W in 1.0W increments)
•Lowest atomizer resistance: 0.1ohm
•Battery voltage operating range: 7.4-8.2V
•Quickly press 5 times to turn On/Off
•0.95" OLED display: resistance, voltage, wattage, battery level
•510 threading connection (spring-loaded copper center pin)
•Copper contacts
•Powered by 2*18650 batteries (batteries sold separately)
•Lock/unlock function: when system is locked, the device doesn't work
•Low resistance protection (< 0.1ohm)
•Low voltage protection (input voltage < 6.4V)
•High voltage warning (high battery input voltage: > 9.0V)
•High temperature warning
•Reverse polarity protection
•Short circuit protection
•Magnet back cover
Sigelei 150w Box Mod:
•Variable wattage operating range: 10.0-150W (10-49W in 0.1W increments, 49-150W in 1.0W increments)
•Lowest atomizer resistance: 0.1ohm
•Battery voltage operating range: 7.4-8.2V
•Quickly press 5 times to turn On/Off
•0.95" OLED display: resistance, voltage, wattage, battery level
•510 threading connection (spring-loaded copper center pin)
•Copper contacts
•Powered by 2*18650 batteries (batteries sold separately)
•Lock/unlock function: when system is locked, the device doesn't work
•Low resistance protection (< 0.1ohm)
•Low voltage protection (input voltage < 6.4V)
•High voltage warning (high battery input voltage: > 9.0V)
•High temperature warning
•Reverse polarity protection
•Short circuit protection
•Magnet back cover
And this is why we won't see posts trying to justify a provari. Because the value simply isn't there like it was 1-2 years ago.
even compared to other usa based company, take for instance vaporshark, you can have a dna40 for 100-190$, you get 25 more watts, the ability to run temperature control mode, and reverse battery protection, short circuit prot, on off mode etc, basically all what provari lists as their performance specs. I bought one last year, dropped it, scratched it up and its still going strong and I don't see it failing any time soon. Vaporshark as well has a cult following.
I'm not really one to go "X should be good enough for everyone"... but... 20 watts is good enough for a whole lot of people. It's a big market. Lots of room for products that does one thing very well but another thing not at all. Not every PV needs an FM radio and a kitchen sink.
Not that I'm a Provari user, but I believe the main feature of the Provari (that sells the product) is confidence. Confidence that it will last longer and survive more than most other mods out there - while providing a smooth-as-can-be regulated vape. Is this confidence feature quantifiable and measurable against other features from other mods? Not really. Still, it is a feature that has more value to some customers than - say the ability to vaporize more liquids faster.
Not that I'm a Provari user, but I believe the main feature of the Provari (that sells the product) is confidence. Confidence that it will last longer and survive more than most other mods out there - while providing a smooth-as-can-be regulated vape. Is this confidence feature quantifiable and measurable against other features from other mods? Not really. Still, it is a feature that has more value to some customers than - say the ability to vaporize more liquids faster.
Basically I'm hearing that Provari is dead until they match the times. You can't charge the highest price, for the lowest capability, in a market that is flying upward. In the time that I have been absent from ECF, there are new terms, new members, new acronyms, new devices that I can't remotely keep track of. I used to drool over $300 box mods, and now find custom builds for $100 that CRUSH the old competition. With warranties that provari can't even match.
i dont know, I personally just find that some confidence can be misguided. There are many options and provari isn't the only good company out there that cares about their customers. I really just see provari marketed to an -extremely- specific crowd, who chose to vape low wattage + want the confidence of buying USA made mods. something targeted so specifically at a group of smokers who would want to spend that much on a mod that performs the same as 20-40$ mods, it just seems like provari will be on their way out soon enough, as the thread title asked. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe theres just a ton of provari users out there and that 'small group' is in actuality the majority of vapers. I still think the money invested into a provari can be put to better vape related gear, where you really get what you pay for.
although I just saw this on the front page.
"
We Are The Industry’s Leading Electronic Cigarette Manufacturer!"
with such a bold claim as that, id expect them to have more than just confidence and a product targeted to a small crowd behind them.
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Hehe this "confidence feature" is a hazy subject. And indeed it's not a Provari exclusive feature. Nor is it - by itself - more than just a belief. I guess it's related to brand attachment.
I see your points about it maybe being a bit too exclusive in its market targets. There's also plain old obscurity. Back when I started just a couple years ago it was either buy crap or buy a Provari. Not sure if it was true, but that was the general idea. Mentions of Provari all over the place. Not sure if it was true, but that was the general idea. Now I rarely see much mention of it. Which may be Provapes biggest problem. It's just another mod. It may be good or great. But mods are quickly becoming a commodity. And part of the fun (for some) is checking out the latest and greatest.
Provape may stick around, but I'm not sure if they'll be having the bright future they were... well... uhm ... having a couple of years ago. Which is now (?)... and didn't turn out that excellent? Looked like they could have been the Apple of vaping for a while. Looks like they may have become the Apple of the early 90s.
yeah, when i started vaping, it was the provari, darwin, lavatubes, egos etc. I couldnt afford the provari or darwin back then so i stuck to my joyetech 510s and egos, saved up a bit for the lavatube and it was complete crap and died within a week, after buying the lavatube there basically was just what you said, you buy a provari/darwin or you buy crap. I see back then how they can have a cult following, as they were basically the -only- reliable thing back in the day, but what we see now is evolv (who i believe were the ones who created the darwin) being the ones making the innovations, with their chip being used in many reliable devices today. Come two years later, I really see no talk of new provaris or cutting edge designs or technological advancements, I mostly see Evolv and china based companies. I really do think they need to step up their game somehow to stay competitive nowadays, there are just so many other companies doing well, giving good customer service, good products, and good prices.
Didn't you guys get the email? They just released a software update that allows you to sub-ohm down to 0.5Ω. 
I really need to unsubscribe from their email system... Signed up when I first started vaping over 2 years ago and for some reason haven't lol.
Really though, Provari are great products and they have a great following that I doubt will diminish. They are not for me - yet - as I need max of 50W. Who's to say they won't create something I buy in the future though?
I really need to unsubscribe from their email system... Signed up when I first started vaping over 2 years ago and for some reason haven't lol.
Really though, Provari are great products and they have a great following that I doubt will diminish. They are not for me - yet - as I need max of 50W. Who's to say they won't create something I buy in the future though?
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