Provari, the ax has come for you

[ENAUD]

some of the P3's listed on their site are 250$, cheapest P3 is 200$.

their P2.5's are about 130-140$

even within their own product line though, the price gap is enormous. Is there something upgraded from the v2.5 to the v3 that im missing that warrants a ~100$ price gap? they seem to have the same 2.9-6v voltage range and made of the same material, similar styling. Their classic 2015 cost 150$-210$, more than the p2.5, and it still has the same 2.9-6.0 voltage range, and going off their page, lists far less performance stats than the p2.5 but costs more. I dont understand the pricing, from someone not in the know, the only reasonable conclusion you can come to from looking at their site is that the newer stuff costs more than the older stuff, but I don't see any improvement or standout differences in performance listings or quality of materials used.

Part of the 2.5's being cheaper is that they are discounted from where they were a few months ago. The 2015 Classic, as they call it, is a brand new product, different board, screen, and top cap, which has the P3 threads. The P3 has more power than the 2.5 and the 2015 Classic, 20 watts vs 15 watts, and the P3 has a larger amount of user adjustable feature in it's menu.

 

[r77r7r]

I almost liked the Brushed steel version of the Pro.vari back when they offered them. A PV is like a lighter for me, doesn't matter much whether it's a BIC or a match, just so it gets the job done.
Now, if I cared more I'd have to get something that'd make me think " Sweeeet", not " Oh, that's nice". That'd be the Wizard then.

 

[alicewonderland]

I'm interested to see now Provari moves forward. I know alot of vapers, mostly fellow nooooobs, and not a one of us uses a Provari. And we can all afford one, or several. And they are sold locally. Sort of. I don't think they've actually sold one in sometime. With that SX sitting next to them at the same price...................... So with out the noob market its gonna be tough.

that's kind of what im thinking as well, people keep comparing provaris to 'junk chinese', when in fact their price range is in the range of high end chinese products as well as in the range of other usa made company devices, both of which will outperform a provari. I refuse to believe that even at that price range, reliability/durability is crap in any other company and provari is worth the price difference because they are the only reliable durable mod nowadays.

 

[Asbestos4004]

In a way I'm glad I missed the early days of vaping.

In another way I'm sad as I smoked through those years.

Provari are marketed on a fear based method. Sawstop uses the same method. A few years ago I'm gathering alittle fear was a good thing.

Vaping is pretty mainstream now. The early outlaw days are over. With the pending laws NOW may truly be the high water mark.

I can see the same Provari fan boi's every time with the same silly stories. Which BTW may have had some truth a few years ago, again I wasn't there. Alot of new mods are super high quality. Please to be noting the fan boi's always compare to the very cheapest. Unless somebody has stated a budget I just assume they have money for whatever and they can make the final choice. Provari prices put them against the SX Mini M class not iSticks. Not everybody likes the SX but junk??

Most mods these days us 18650's. This isn't afew years ago. Most of us know not to buy the Deathfire 8000. We aren't stupid. Our mods aren't blowing up in our faces either.

Fan boi assume subohming is this really scary word that will send fear throughout the land. Guess what, the pioneers already took the arrows. To us noobs .9 is just a number. Nothing bad will happen.

Watts are interesting. Provari people fear them. Like they fear ohm's. But many people are interested. Vaping can be fun too. Right now I'm whacking a Taifun GT with a 1.2Ω coil at 35W and its just a fantastic vape. Just unreal. Its not as good at 20W. At 30 its good but 25 is just right. And later I'm gonna hit my Orchid at .7Ω and 40w.

Some see 100W as this super scarey thing and the wise hide under there bed. Many other, and I'm one, see looooooooong battery life. I never, and by never I mean NEVER, worry about battery life or carrying spare batteries. Before I got this ride I had tootle puffer and battery management was half my life. Now I charge every few days and barely think about batteries. I will admit its a good sized unit but I'm a good sized man so when its in my hand all you see is a tank sticking out just like anything else.

As an above poster mention provari fans seem to be prone to bad luck. I imagine this bad luck follows then in all of life not just vaping so they are most likely well aware of it and buying something bullet proof is good thinking. I take care of my stuff so that's a non-issue for me and I think most people. I've got things that cost alot less then my mod and I don't drop them off buildings either. Interestingly I work in a busy warehouse and my stuff takes a beating everyday but always comes home with me. Then again my 3 year old iPhone still looks and works like new and my youngest daughters 1 year old phone looks like it came off the Titanic. Like I tell her, take care of your stuff and your stuff will take care of you.

I'm interested to see now Provari moves forward. I know alot of vapers, mostly fellow nooooobs, and not a one of us uses a Provari. And we can all afford one, or several. And they are sold locally. Sort of. I don't think they've actually sold one in sometime. With that SX sitting next to them at the same price...................... So with out the noob market its gonna be tough.

thank you for pointing out how little you understand about this particular topic.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Fan boi assume subohming is this really scary word that will send fear throughout the land. Guess what, the pioneers already took the arrows. To us noobs .9 is just a number. Nothing bad will happen.

Watts are interesting. Provari people fear them. Like they fear ohm's. But many people are interested. Vaping can be fun too. Right now I'm whacking a Taifun GT with a 1.2Ω coil at 35W and its just a fantastic vape. Just unreal. Its not as good at 20W. At 30 its good but 25 is just right. And later I'm gonna hit my Orchid at .7Ω and 40w.

Some see 100W as this super scarey thing and the wise hide under there bed. Many other, and I'm one, see looooooooong battery life. I never, and by never I mean NEVER, worry about battery life or carrying spare batteries.

Now it is really funny.
Now we have a real Provari hater at last.
Congratulations.

 

[alicewonderland]

Part of the 2.5's being cheaper is that they are discounted from where they were a few months ago. The 2015 Classic, as they call it, is a brand new product, different board, screen, and top cap, which has the P3 threads. The P3 has more power than the 2.5 and the 2015 Classic, 20 watts vs 15 watts, and the P3 has a larger amount of user adjustable feature in it's menu.

oh wow it used to cost more? I was more on the end of why isnt the p3 more in line with the p2.5, not the opposite way around. I mean the cost of the p2.5 looks reasonably priced as it is now if you take into account the durability/reliability people are talking about, id pay that price if I fit the demographic of a strictly low power user looking for a reliable mod.

 

[Thrasher]

Back in the darwin days we often mentioned had vw come first and then later on vv we would be having the same arguments about the new way not being better. Different way for same results, not worth the extra price etc

 

[englishmick]

Thats awesome... I went from ProVaris to REOs. I must be seriously Old School! I like things with a PROVEN track record. I'm willing to pay for that kind of quality. Now, I don't doubt for a second, that people have had a ZMAX or a Vamo give them a year or 2 of faithful service. I liked them both, actually. But, according to the past couple of years worth of threads, I don't think thats the norm. There's been so many threads about stripped out 510's and fire buttons that don't do anything....mods that won't turn on.....followed up by "what do I replace it with?" But the ProVari threads VERY rarely were about any problems, they were always about the price. If there were problems with a ProVari, the thread was about how fast they got it back...repaired. Or there were threads about the sheer abuse some of them took but didn't die. I'd say, yes...they're worth it.

I've got a nice Sigelei 20 tube mod. Once in a while the display screen stays on after I use it and if I don't notice it happened it will drain the battery down to 2.2V. Half a dozen times over the last 6 months the button has stuck in the down position and I have to jiggle it to get it loose. Other than that it's great but it's not reassuring for the long term. Nothing went wrong with my Sig 30 boxes yet. But the 510 connection is aluminium so that must be a weak point. Wouldn't want to drop it. Anyway, I'm going to treat myself to a P3 for my one year anniversary in September. Truth is I don't have to prove even to myself that it's a good thing to do. I just want one.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Just an observation....and in my defense, I haven't reread the entire thread.....but I think the topic was are they worth the money. So far, I don't think I've seen a post where anyone said that anyone should buy one. Many have stated that they're not for everyone.

 

[Thrasher]

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In a way I'm glad I missed the early days of vaping.

In another way I'm sad as I smoked through those years.

Provari are marketed on a fear based method. Sawstop uses the same method. A few years ago I'm gathering alittle fear was a good thing.

Vaping is pretty mainstream now. The early outlaw days are over. With the pending laws NOW may truly be the high water mark.

I can see the same Provari fan boi's every time with the same silly stories. Which BTW may have had some truth a few years ago, again I wasn't there. Alot of new mods are super high quality. Please to be noting the fan boi's always compare to the very cheapest. Unless somebody has stated a budget I just assume they have money for whatever and they can make the final choice. Provari prices put them against the SX Mini M class not iSticks. Not everybody likes the SX but junk??

Most mods these days us 18650's. This isn't afew years ago. Most of us know not to buy the Deathfire 8000. We aren't stupid. Our mods aren't blowing up in our faces either.

Fan boi assume subohming is this really scary word that will send fear throughout the land. Guess what, the pioneers already took the arrows. To us noobs .9 is just a number. Nothing bad will happen.

Watts are interesting. Provari people fear them. Like they fear ohm's. But many people are interested. Vaping can be fun too. Right now I'm whacking a Taifun GT with a 1.2Ω coil at 35W and its just a fantastic vape. Just unreal. Its not as good at 20W. At 30 its good but 25 is just right. And later I'm gonna hit my Orchid at .7Ω and 40w.

Some see 100W as this super scarey thing and the wise hide under there bed. Many other, and I'm one, see looooooooong battery life. I never, and by never I mean NEVER, worry about battery life or carrying spare batteries. Before I got this ride I had tootle puffer and battery management was half my life. Now I charge every few days and barely think about batteries. I will admit its a good sized unit but I'm a good sized man so when its in my hand all you see is a tank sticking out just like anything else.

As an above poster mention provari fans seem to be prone to bad luck. I imagine this bad luck follows then in all of life not just vaping so they are most likely well aware of it and buying something bullet proof is good thinking. I take care of my stuff so that's a non-issue for me and I think most people. I've got things that cost alot less then my mod and I don't drop them off buildings either. Interestingly I work in a busy warehouse and my stuff takes a beating everyday but always comes home with me. Then again my 3 year old iPhone still looks and works like new and my youngest daughters 1 year old phone looks like it came off the Titanic. Like I tell her, take care of your stuff and your stuff will take care of you.

I'm interested to see now Provari moves forward. I know alot of vapers, mostly fellow nooooobs, and not a one of us uses a Provari. And we can all afford one, or several. And they are sold locally. Sort of. I don't think they've actually sold one in sometime. With that SX sitting next to them at the same price...................... So with out the noob market its gonna be tough.

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[ReigntheGamer]

Provari better watch out anytime the ex has come after me it's been bad. Oh wait reading comprehension ftl.

 

[alicewonderland]

Just an observation....and in my defense, I haven't reread the entire thread.....but I think the topic was are they worth the money. So far, I don't think I've seen a post where anyone said that anyone should buy one. Many have stated that they're not for everyone.

which kind of summarizes that there are really no positives at the price threshhold other than customer service and reliability. People can give all the reasons the want for why they bought one or want to buy one (not that you need to), but when it comes down to it, it just looks overpriced. You can buy a provari if you want, but to me, it just seems you can get more for your money out there nowadays. I was expecting maybe some subjects to popup such as their chip is revolutionary/unique, the material they use is corrosion resistant/high grade, but alas the only replies were just 'because i can' and 'its better than chinese junk', or 'it fits my needs', nothing that really brings up questions or answers as to why the price on a provari seems to be so high.

For those of you that like to use comparisons to other subjects, we have 5 cars:
50k+ BMW
15k Camry
17k Camry
20k Camry
40k Camry

So, in this example the Provari is the 40k Camry, the 15k,17k,20k are similar camry all with low power and gets you where you need to go and does what you need it to. the 40k Camry is touted as the most reliable and durable out of the bunch. the 15k,17k,20k Camry has the same statistics as the 40k Camry but you dont know how reliable it is (yet you can do research and come to your own conclusions, there is information out there as the 15/17/20k models have been selling as well). Which car would you buy? The 40k Camry because you are positive without doing research that it will last you forever? Would you do your own research to find out if the lower cost Camrys are as reliable as the 40k Camry? Or, since you can afford the 40k Camry, you figure hey , might as well just by a BMW?

And for those who think this is another 'hater/bashing post', it's not.

 

[coolerat]

Now it is really funny.
Now we have a real Provari hater at last.
Congratulations.

Actually in the real world I don't think Provari is relevant anymore. Like I said I've never seen one in the wild and 100 innerweb bucks says I never will. 100% non-issue in the modern vaping world.


However on the innerweb world I can see they are pure gold. Love them or hate webwars they drive the net. People that hate them stay away. People that love them read them, regardless of whether or not its to say they love them or they hate them. Lovers are easy to figger, I mean they say they love them right?? Haters are harder to figger, I mean if you know how its gonna go stay away if you hate them right??

For me change the word Provari to Festool and this is old hat to me.

 

[ppeeble]

In the UK Provaris have generally been around $250-270. Following the P3 release and the influx of cheep big wattage Chines mods it seems everywhere is offloading the 2.5 at half price or less. I'm loving it, have just bought another two.
I have a plethora of Chinese mods from 20-150 watt and i love playing with them but not one of them will i trust to take with me when i'm away from home for any length of time. Maybe i'm paranoid ( i am) but experience has taught me that they are not reliable. Provaris are reliable and, as yet, have never let me down. I'm sure this will change in time but, for me, Provaris are still the most trouble free, dependable and accurate mods out there.
Keep the Provari bashing threads alive everyone. It just means cheaper prices for me.


From a dedicated tootle puffer in the UK.

 

[tj99959]

that's because the reo does have something worth it's price so there is not much bashing

Guess that's why my Reo is in the zombie box, and my Provari isn't.

 

[Asbestos4004]

which kind of summarizes that there are really no positives at the price threshhold other than customer service and reliability. People can give all the reasons the want for why they bought one or want to buy one (not that you need to), but when it comes down to it, it just looks overpriced. You can buy a provari if you want, but to me, it just seems you can get more for your money out there nowadays. I was expecting maybe some subjects to popup such as their chip is revolutionary/unique, the material they use is corrosion resistant/high grade, but alas the only replies were just 'because i can' and 'its better than chinese junk', or 'it fits my needs', nothing that really brings up questions or answers as to why the price on a provari seems to be so high.

And for those who think this is another 'hater/bashing post', it's not.

I haven't seen any of your posts as hater/basher posts...but I think you read what you want to read. People who have them have stated why they feel they're worth the money. You definition of "more" isn't everyone's definition of more. The chip is revolutionary and unique...that doesn't mean it has to hit 2000 watts. The material they use is corrosion resistant and high grade. To you and me, we can spend our money more wisely because 15-20 watts isn't going to cut it. But if I remained satisfied with a kayfun at 1.2 ohms, I know I'd have to look pretty hard to find that kind of quality for that kind of price. I've had 6 ProVaris in all....I used them for about 2 years everyday. I sold off 5 of them and kept the one that fell out of the building. I made nearly all of my money back on them. Not all...but close enough to be impressed.


you edited with the car analogy before I finished my reply....I'm pretty sure as soon as the car analogies come out, all of the aces have been played.

 

[HauntedMyst]

I have no interest in one any more. Back in my Vamo days I used want one but I just couldn't get passed the looks - like something you'd find in the woman's section of an adult store. Now I think they look much better but I have no need for it. I'm happy with my mechanicals.

 

[r77r7r]

New Pro.vari memes are out!

 

[alicewonderland]

I haven't seen any of your posts as hater/basher posts...but I think you read what you want to read. People who have them have stated why they feel they're worth the money. You definition of "more" isn't everyone's definition of more. The chip is revolutionary and unique...that doesn't mean it has to hit 2000 watts. The material they use is corrosion resistant and high grade. To you and me, we can spend our money more wisely because 15-20 watts isn't going to cut it. But if I remained satisfied with a kayfun at 1.2 ohms, I know I'd have to look pretty hard to find that kind of quality for that kind of price. I've had 6 ProVaris in all....I used them for about 2 years everyday. I sold off 5 of them and kept the one that fell out of the building. I made nearly all of my money back on them. Not all...but close enough to be impressed.


you edited with the car analogy before I finished my reply....I'm pretty sure as soon as the car analogies come out, all of the aces have been played.

Well, that's understandable, but I dont just read what I want to read. I have read through all of the thread and most of the 'more' people are stating they get is that it is reliable/durable and fits their needs. There are other companies out there that are as reliable as Provari with similar or better mods, which are durable as well, and reasonably priced. All in all, the backlash i see from some of these posts are just the reliability of the company and the mod, and people saying dont worry about how other people spend their money, which is kind of directly tied to the subject in hand, the cost of the provari. I am looking it in a way as why is the price worth it, if there are similar products out there that compete with it, that still work for that same niche of users that provari seems to aiming for.

 

[tj99959]

Wow, we're back up to 14 viewing this thread.

And someone said

Actually in the real world I don't think Provari is relevant anymore. Like I said I've never seen one in the wild and 100 innerweb bucks says I never will. 100% non-issue in the modern vaping world.

Wow .... just wow!