Provari, the ax has come for you

[Bad Ninja]

If your vaping tastes fall within the performance range of a Provari you really can't go wrong.
I'm not a fanboy, nor would I recommend a Provari to a new vaper who hasn't had time to experience more and find their "sweet spot".

As far as sub ohm vaping, Provari obviously sees the interest as their advertising clearly states.
I'd expect to see some future models capable of lower builds regardless of past comments. A business only exists for one reason: to make profit.

Oh and skip the Rolex analogies.
They are jewelry.
They don't keep time as well as a simple ETA movement, and require a yearly service (costing more than a Provari) to keep the warranty intact.

Provari is like a Toyota Camry.
It's not a high performance machine, but it's rock solid in day to day use, built like a tank, and dependable as a hammer. It has a huge customer base and is backed by a solid customer service program.

If you want a "Rolex" buy a Caravela.
If you want a Ferrari, buy a Vari-Ant.

 

[440BB]

I am serious about not smoking again. I want a tool that works, without glitches or fiddling, every time. I'm pretty frugal, and a mod that just keeps working is my idea of a great value. Many regulated mods have failed for me over the years, whether it is the connector stripping/loosening, the insulator stretching out until a battery shorts, dead or broken after a drop or two.

After over three years and a bunch of mods, I was gifted an old beaten up Provari V2 that was dropped by my good friend at least 400 times in his warehouse job. The smoothness of the power was unusual (for a regulated mod) and noticeable to me, and the 510 connector was nice and tight. I have used this mod as my main device since the day I got it. It has never been repaired, although I have knocked the top cap back down with a piece of wood after a few nasty falls shifted it slightly. Concrete drops have left me sanding a bit of the stainless bottom cap to remove rough edges. My only maintenance has been wiping out the connector once in a while and changing the battery. This is all I can ask from a four year old electronic device, used every day.

Not everybody notices the smooth power difference from most regulated mods, but my throat is best off with direct power from mechs or the Provari's smooth regulation. This tool is still the most effective one for me to use all day, most everywhere. A wide variety of fun mods are at home for goofing around and hobby stuff, but I want a consistent trouble free vape in my hand or pocket at all times. Not smoking has never been easier for me.

I didn't know the difference for over three years, until I used one. I added a $50 V1 off the classies for backup in case I ever need to send it in for repair. Maybe someday I'll fork over around $100 for a new one, but as they just keep performing, I can wait to snag another. If anybody is disenchanted and wants to throw their Provari away, just let me know...

 

[bluecat]

Lol, you need to read more REO threads! And I've never heard anyone say buy a provari using American made as the sole reason either.

Maybe I do but I only thought of buying a Reo once or twice and that was when you could get one in vv.. I don't believe vv is made anymore.

I have thought a few time on getting a provari. Besides, there are 1 to 100 reo to provari threads. It is easy to miss the reo ones.

And no, I will not go back through and search all the provari vs XX to find a post. You and I know how many of those posts there are.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Maybe I do but I only thought of buying a Reo once or twice and that was when you could get one in vv.. I don't believe vv is made anymore.

I have thought a few time on getting a provari. Besides, there are 1 to 100 reo to provari threads. It is easy to miss the reo ones.

And no, I will not go back through and search all the provari vs XX to find a post. You and I know how many of those posts there are.

Nope, Rob's not presently doing any vv/vw mods...but I wouldn't rule it out. The Reonauts are pretty passionate folks, just like the ProVari camp. Reonauts get pretty heated when people who've never even seen a REO say "$160 for a box with a tube, a button and a bottle???? THAT'S INSANE!!!" And yes, they do say it. It makes about as much sense as starting threads just to whine about the price of a ProVari and hide behind the "just trying to help the new members" crap. ProVari threads are far and few between these days. New members have to wade through a zillion Sigelei, IPV, iStick, Kanger, Cloupor and SMOK threads to find a ProVari thread. This thread isn't about enlightening our new members and gently guiding them towards another path. Whatta load that excuse was. This thread is about firing up an old poop storm. And I'm all for it! I love these threads!

But, I've honestly never heard anyone say buy a ProVari solely because it was made in America. I've heard "made in America" as ONE of the reasons listed along with quality, performance, customer service....many, many times. But never as the sole reason to buy one which is what I think you were eluding to.

 

[vapero]

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I'd also like to own an SXmini but I vape under 20W 100% of the time so it would be a waste.
I'm over $5K in the black since I DIY and don't care about trends.

Haters gonna hate. Whatever.

so spending $180 for a good quality mod that offers you more watts than what you use is a waste, so you prefer to spend $30-70 dollars more to have the limitation so your watts don't go unused??

 

[Thrasher]

sorry but you mistake my discussion about cost of their new products, for attacks/hate on provari. I am simply on one side of the arguement where I agree on the topic of Provari being on the costly side for what it is. If you disagree with me then bring some counter-arguements to the table other than bashing on 'chinese junk' or insulting people by saying they buy their shoes at walmart.

I find it kind of hilarious that some of the people who complain about ECF being full of drama, yet some people just dont know how to have mature conversations without throwing out insults, and taking everything to heart. Just because someone disagrees or is on a certain side of a topic does not mean they are your mortal enemy and 'hating' or 'causing drama', its called discussing the topic at hand...

If i mis read something i personally apologize but no insults the truth stands. Some poeple show zero interest in anything un!ess its something cheap. No matter how well it may be made or holds its value.

I just dont the same values, my mountain bike is expensive but made like a tank no kmart special will ever compare, same with my fishing gear my neighbor gives me crap for spending 120 on a reel when whole sets nare 40 bucks at walmart. Had that reel 8 years now and landed too many monster fish to count ( grouper here destroy poles) still works like new.

To each their own.but why, why even start a thread like this knowing defenders willshow up other then to start a fight anyways.


Like i said dont mistake me for a fanboy.
I have a real poldiac in my hand and two clone nemesis on my desk. My provari is in my toolbox ( kinda fitting actually)

But you cant convince me for what it is marketed as the provari is not worth it.

I can 100% guarantee no cheap box would have survived what my provari has been through on commercial construction sites over the past few years.

 

[vapero]

What I think is funny is these Provari threads are the same bashing as they were 5 years ago when the Provari was invented. Now tel me ..... what other PV has gotten so much attention for so long. (wonders if there is a reason for that)

Ya I know, the Reo has been around just as long, but it has never gotten the attention (pro/con threads) that the Provari has.
By anyones standard the Provari has become the most loved .. or hated .. PV ever invented.

that's because the reo does have something worth it's price so there is not much bashing

 

[Ryedan]

Lol after rereading the op me thinks this was click bait

Yup

It's been so long since the last Provari bashing I've seen here I was beginning to think ProVape might be suffering a bit lately. Nice to see they're still here and doing well

 

[Mowgli]

so spending $180 for a good quality mod that offers you more watts than what you use is a waste

I have what I need. I spent what it cost me. I don't need another mod.

 

[Asbestos4004]

so spending $180 for a good quality mod that offers you more watts than what you use is a waste, so you prefer to spend $30-70 dollars more to have the limitation so your watts don't go unused??

Just out of curiosity...why do you round down when talking about your mod and round up when talking about the other mod? Don't get me wrong, the SX Mini is a fantastic mod. I own two. Neither was $180...they were both more...nor have I ever had to pay $210-$250 for a ProVari.

 

[vapero]

Just out of curiosity...why do you round down when talking about your mod and round up when talking about the other mod? Don't get me wrong, the SX Mini is a fantastic mod. I own two. Neither was $180...they were both more...nor have I ever had to pay $210-$250 for a ProVari.

I'm a mech user do I don't have a sx mini, just put the prices I found

 

[Asbestos4004]

I'm a mech user do I don't have a sx mini, just put the prices I found

got it...no dog in the fight. Cool

 

[alicewonderland]

Just out of curiosity...why do you round down when talking about your mod and round up when talking about the other mod? Don't get me wrong, the SX Mini is a fantastic mod. I own two. Neither was $180...they were both more...nor have I ever had to pay $210-$250 for a ProVari.

some of the P3's listed on their site are 250$, cheapest P3 is 200$.

their P2.5's are about 130-140$

even within their own product line though, the price gap is enormous. Is there something upgraded from the v2.5 to the v3 that im missing that warrants a ~100$ price gap? they seem to have the same 2.9-6v voltage range and made of the same material, similar styling. Their classic 2015 cost 150$-210$, more than the p2.5, and it still has the same 2.9-6.0 voltage range, and going off their page, lists far less performance stats than the p2.5 but costs more. I dont understand the pricing, from someone not in the know, the only reasonable conclusion you can come to from looking at their site is that the newer stuff costs more than the older stuff, but I don't see any improvement or standout differences in performance listings or quality of materials used.

 

[bluecat]

Nope, Rob's not presently doing any vv/vw mods...but I wouldn't rule it out. The Reonauts are pretty passionate folks, just like the ProVari camp. Reonauts get pretty heated when people who've never even seen a REO say "$160 for a box with a tube, a button and a bottle???? THAT'S INSANE!!!" And yes, they do say it. It makes about as much sense as starting threads just to whine about the price of a ProVari and hide behind the "just trying to help the new members" crap. ProVari threads are far and few between these days. New members have to wade through a zillion Sigelei, IPV, iStick, Kanger, Cloupor and SMOK threads to find a ProVari thread. This thread isn't about enlightening our new members and gently guiding them towards another path. Whatta load that excuse was. This thread is about firing up an old poop storm. And I'm all for it! I love these threads!

But, I've honestly never heard anyone say buy a ProVari solely because it was made in America. I've heard "made in America" as ONE of the reasons listed along with quality, performance, customer service....many, many times. But never as the sole reason to buy one which is what I think you were eluding to.

I believe it has been awhile since he has produced a vv. Yes they do get heated, but they are not condescending towards other vapors. Provari enthusiasts tend to be. Maybe it is in good fun, but it doesn't come across that way.

I believe that was Alien that stated that not the OP in which I took to the thread to say that there are other options out there that are not as expensive as a Provari.

You may have me on that.. It typically is/was... Provari is the best and its America made. Or it is durable and American made. So my bad.. it is just "best" and durable are so generic that I ignore it.

My order.. I look for what I want. I find something then I check to see if I can buy it locally. Then I check prices around the globe and make a decision from there.

If customs would apply to any product brought into the US then we may have a different story on price shopping. If the government would relax a little on the trading rules.. welll now I am going on a tangent.

 

[Asbestos4004]

some of the P3's listed on their site are 250$, cheapest P3 is 200$.

their P2.5's are about 130-140$

even within their own product line though, the price gap is enormous. Is there something upgraded from the v2.5 to the v3 that im missing that warrants a ~100$ price gap? they seem to have the same 2.9-6v voltage range and made of the same material, similar styling.

My point was, the sx mini s class is $189, the m class is $199. He went with $180....and instead of the $130 ProVari.....well, nevermind. Who cares?

As far as the price gap goes, there's many changes to the P3 over the P2.5. Do they warrant to gap? I don't know...

 

[vapero]

My point was, the sx mini s class is $189, the m class is $199. He went with $180....and instead of the $130 ProVari.....well, nevermind. Who cares?

As far as the price gap goes, there's many changes to the P3 over the P2.5. Do they warrant to gap? I don't know...

ok, forget the exact numbers, a more powerful well made device that cost a little bit less is a waste of money than a less powerful well made device that costs more??

 

[alicewonderland]

My point was, the sx mini s class is $189, the m class is $199. He went with $180....and instead of the $130 ProVari.....well, nevermind. Who cares?

As far as the price gap goes, there's many changes to the P3 over the P2.5. Do they warrant to gap? I don't know...

well yeah i got that, but after looking at their pricing for their own products it is strange. I mean I can see a warranted 100$ price gap if maybe the tubing material was superior, say they moved from stainless steel to titanium, or low grade stainless to higher grade stainless steel, or if the chipset increased by some wattages/voltage. The technical specs differences they list I just see is new threads, hotshot boost, IQ monitoring, and some menu listings.

 

[Thrasher]

The p3 is vw as well with a lower resistance and some other features added.

I will agree there though the price for p3 is a little high but my futura was 260 what did the dna 30 shark or hanna cost new? Im lookingnat an aerovapes same thing.
Heck the hybrid mech i want makes them ALL look cheap lol

 

[coolerat]

In a way I'm glad I missed the early days of vaping.

In another way I'm sad as I smoked through those years.

Provari are marketed on a fear based method. Sawstop uses the same method. A few years ago I'm gathering alittle fear was a good thing.

Vaping is pretty mainstream now. The early outlaw days are over. With the pending laws NOW may truly be the high water mark.

I can see the same Provari fan boi's every time with the same silly stories. Which BTW may have had some truth a few years ago, again I wasn't there. Alot of new mods are super high quality. Please to be noting the fan boi's always compare to the very cheapest. Unless somebody has stated a budget I just assume they have money for whatever and they can make the final choice. Provari prices put them against the SX Mini M class not iSticks. Not everybody likes the SX but junk??

Most mods these days us 18650's. This isn't afew years ago. Most of us know not to buy the Deathfire 8000. We aren't stupid. Our mods aren't blowing up in our faces either.

Fan boi assume subohming is this really scary word that will send fear throughout the land. Guess what, the pioneers already took the arrows. To us noobs .9 is just a number. Nothing bad will happen.

Watts are interesting. Provari people fear them. Like they fear ohm's. But many people are interested. Vaping can be fun too. Right now I'm whacking a Taifun GT with a 1.2Ω coil at 35W and its just a fantastic vape. Just unreal. Its not as good at 20W. At 30 its good but 25 is just right. And later I'm gonna hit my Orchid at .7Ω and 40w.

Some see 100W as this super scarey thing and the wise hide under there bed. Many other, and I'm one, see looooooooong battery life. I never, and by never I mean NEVER, worry about battery life or carrying spare batteries. Before I got this ride I had tootle puffer and battery management was half my life. Now I charge every few days and barely think about batteries. I will admit its a good sized unit but I'm a good sized man so when its in my hand all you see is a tank sticking out just like anything else.

As an above poster mention provari fans seem to be prone to bad luck. I imagine this bad luck follows then in all of life not just vaping so they are most likely well aware of it and buying something bullet proof is good thinking. I take care of my stuff so that's a non-issue for me and I think most people. I've got things that cost alot less then my mod and I don't drop them off buildings either. Interestingly I work in a busy warehouse and my stuff takes a beating everyday but always comes home with me. Then again my 3 year old iPhone still looks and works like new and my youngest daughters 1 year old phone looks like it came off the Titanic. Like I tell her, take care of your stuff and your stuff will take care of you.

I'm interested to see now Provari moves forward. I know alot of vapers, mostly fellow nooooobs, and not a one of us uses a Provari. And we can all afford one, or several. And they are sold locally. Sort of. I don't think they've actually sold one in sometime. With that SX sitting next to them at the same price...................... So with out the noob market its gonna be tough.

 

[Asbestos4004]

ok, forget the exact numbers, a more powerful well made device that cost a little bit less is a waste of money than a less powerful well made device that costs more??

ok, I'll play...although I'm sure I'll regret it.
The P 2.5 is a far less expensive device and in my opinion, higher quality and easier to get serviced if something were to happen to it. If the user doesn't need 60 watts, temp control or any of the other bells and whisles that the sx has...then I'd say the ProVari is a better deal and the sx is a waste of money. If the user wants to build subohm coils and vape higher watts or if they want to use TP, than I'd say spend the EXTRA money and buy the SX because the ProVari would be a giant waste of money. As far as the P3 goes, I don't think it's designed to compete with the SX.