Provari vs. Provari Mini...............

[magz]

Help me! Okay, please forgive me if there's already something like this here, I searched, and really didn't find it. I did find one other thread by someone with a lava tube trying to decide which to go with, but didn't quite find the information there I was hoping for. So I thought I would start this thread.

So, Provari vs. Mini Provari. Aside from the size, are there any other significant differences? Of course with size comes battery life. So how significant is the difference between the 18350's, the 18490's, and the 18650's? Oh, and since the mini is relatively new, should we worry that there may be "kinks" to be worked out?


So, while I know that I'm not the only one with these questions, and therefore the post is not just for me, obviously I too am trying to decide which of these two to go with. If I had the money, I'd just buy both. But I don't. And damn provape and to go and give me a decision to make, lol. If I'd just had the money when I first wanted to get a provari it would've been easy! But no. Not now. Anyway, I am a total chain vaper. I currently have an eGo, and this is what I've been using pretty much since the beginning (after going through one 510), and I've never been fully satisfied. I just have always known there's something better out there and I wanted it, but couldn't have it because of the price. I knew that there were cheaper mods with similar function, but I saw no point in spending money on something that was still going to leave me with that feeling that I still need something better. I now, FINALLY, have the chance to get my Provari, it's just a matter of which one now. So like I said, I chain vape. My eGo battery (and I actually only use one, because the other new one I bought at the same time only lasts about 15 minutes, even though I never used it as much as I do this one) actually lasts me all day, but that's only because I'm attached to my computer for the majority of the day via USB.

So, yeah.... enough babbling, and back to the original question, are there any other significant differences between these two, and how significant are the differences between the 3 batteries?

If I could, it would be nice to get away with the mini, but I don't particularly want to buy more than 2 batteries at the moment, and I don't ever want to be in the situation where both of my batteries are dead. I don't mind carrying extra batteries, or switching the battery out, but I need what I have to last me the whole day. At the same time, the bigger version doesn't really bother me either. I'm also wondering if maybe since the Mini is still relatively new, that maybe the regular Provari might be the smarter choice since when a new product comes out there's generally some kinks to be worked out..... Anyway, any help would be great! Thanks!

 

[Karlos]

I was told that the only difference is the runtime. Electronics is the same in Mini and Regular. I cannot think about any kinks that should be polished out on one version and not on the other. The rest besides electronics is just steel and it is wonderfully finished on both, I guess. I only got the regular PV. I think you may refer to my thread in your post? If so, please notice this post:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-provari-instead-lavatube-4.html#post6748505

That was great advice.
I too am a chain vaper. I have two 18650 for a day (so far). Maybe I will find my sweet spot regarding coil resistance/voltage, that will make my batteries last longer.

If I were you I would go for Regular.

 

[R53_Dave]

Yup, Mini = smaller, but less battery life. Everything else is exactly the same. The standard Provari v2 without the extender cap is pretty good for carrying around. Not as small as the mini though. The mini with the extender for 18490's is the same size as the standard model without extender cap. (I'm pretty sure anyway)

My advice...Go with the bigger one to start with. Get the extender cap and 2x 18650's as well. Use 3.0ohm cartos in your tanks and run it at 4.9-5volts. This should last you at least a full day without swapping batteries. I get almost 2 days on that setup. If you find it's too big (unlikely) you can always just buy 18490 batteries and cut a good 3/4 of an inch off the length. The end cap for that setup comes with the unit. They are the same price! Get the big boy!

I'll be getting a Mini soon as my "Going out for the evening" rig. For home/office the standard V2 with the extender for 18650's is the way to go.

You wont regret getting the big one. lol

 

[otrpu]

The Mini might be a better length for a ladies hands, I don't know. I bought one just to have another backup. And, to use in case I ever go anywhere where the shorter PV might be more appropriate. Have no idea where that might be, because I vape my ProVari everywhere I go. Truthfully, I rarely ever use the Mini. It took the ProVari w/5mL tank to get me off of cigs. Needed the longer battery life, and the greater volume tank to last my workday. Sometimes my day is 12 hours plus .5 hr to/from. I don't like messin with this crap. JMHO

Cheers,
otrpu

 

[magz]

Thank you all! I actually had to make the decision before I got any responses because I had to leave and I wanted to hurry up and get my order in I think I made the right choice, because I went with the regular and not the mini. Yea! I can't wait to get it! I just got two of the 18490 batteries for now because I couldn't afford the extra $20 or whatever it is for the extension cap right now, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to invest in that in the future. As soon as I can afford it anyway. And I'm not too terribly worried about it being too big for my hands because I have total man-hands, lol. The only reason I was considering the mini is because I thought it might be a bit more discreet, but when I thought about it.... well, a bit was it! The regular provari is only a half inch (just over) longer. So, I figure it's not worth sacrificing battery life for a tiny half inch. I may get one down the line someday for a back up, but more than likely I'll end up just getting another regular one. Anyway, thanks to everyone for the feedback!!!

 

[lperez111]

i was just in this dilemma like 2 weeks back and i didnt know if to get the mini or the regular. after researching i made my decision to get the mini. because the way i saw it was that the mini can be used in "discreet" mini mode. or i could buy the extender cap and use the same battery as the regular provari. i didnt want to use the extender cap on the regular provari because it would have been taller than my silver bullet. and in my silver bullet i was using the 18650 and it lasts too long (if thats a possibility). but after using my mini for a week now, the battery has lasted me all day. i vape at 4.8 with a standard boge and it lasts me 5 mL of juice. which is enough for me. i know this probably does no good now that u already ordered it but either way ur going to love it as im loving mine

 

[everman7]

I've had my mini for a few months. I bought the extension cap for the 18490s because I had two batteries already. I am not a chain-vaper, but my bats lasted me more than a day. I just bought 4 18350s and so far they last me the whole day, but I think the mini is a little small for me with the 18350s (I have large hands). I think you will be pleased with the regular one, and if you end up swapping batteries too much you can always add the cap and a couple 18650s later.

I've noticed that most people that buy the provari use their device at medium to high voltage with higher ohm attys or cartos. I personally prefer the lower ohm at 3.7V. I also came from using the eGo all day and since I have a load of low-resistance stuff I've stuck with that. The difference between an eGo and the provari at 3.7v is night and day. The provari will have a perfect consistent power level right up until the battery is ready for a charge.

 

[Nicotinologist]

Using higher resistance atomizers or cartomizers at a lower voltage settings lengthen the battery charge life is not really true. It uses thesame amount of power (heat) if they are adjusted for equal vapors. P=IE. Some people will hate me or appreciate me for this info. The truth will set you free, lol..

 

[Shaitaan]

Using higher resistance atomizers or cartomizers at a lower voltage settings lengthen the battery charge life is not really true. It uses thesame amount of power (heat) if they are adjusted for equal vapors. P=IE. Some people will hate me or appreciate me for this info. The truth will set you free, lol..

too bad you are wrong....the only part you had right is P=EI...... higher resistance does equal to less power usage.... E=IR

at same voltage, your current drops, hence less power. I've been a pc tech for 30 yrs....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm's_law

 

[TheBlueAdept]

I think Nic's point wasn't to compare two different ohm'ed cartos at the same voltage, but rather that you would ultimately end up adjusting them to the same wattage (in an attempt to get the same vape) and thus the net power drain is identical. I could be wrong, though...

 

[Tinben]

I have been using the Provari mini. I vape about 2-3 ml daily. So if I put in a fresh battery in the morning then by the time I get home it will be close to time to change the battery. But I do carry two batteries at all times.

I highly recommend the mini.

 

[Tinben]

Forgot to mention.

Get the mini and then get an extension cap later if you feel you will need it.

 

[Nicotinologist]

That is why I included the watt formula. I guess my statement was not clear. There is the "is not true" that you failed to read. You have to have thesame power in the heating element to get thesame vapor. Wow, I do not brag about what I used to do in electronics, but some people do. I am very impressed. PC technician for 30 years? Remove and replace technician, you mean. My wife knows how to do that, too.
I just like to kid, joke, etc., ok?

 

[Nicotinologist]

You are perfectly right and I am glad you got the point. Some people get too excited easily, thus shooting their own foot.

 

[rondasherrill]

That is why I included the watt formula. I guess my statement was not clear. There is the "is not true" that you failed to read. You have to have thesame power in the heating element to get thesame vapor. Wow, I do not brag about what I used to do in electronics, but some people do. I am very impressed. PC technician for 30 years? Remove and replace technician, you mean. My wife knows how to do that, too.
I just like to kid, joke, etc., ok?

I'm kinda confused by both yours and his wording... so I will put it out there for us normal types. Having 2 identical systems, i.e. same watts in the case of e-cigs, a LR setup will pull more current than a HR setup will. The higher current causes faster battery drain.

1.5ohms @ 3.7v = 9.1watts @ 2.47A
2.8ohms @ 5v = 9.1watts @ 1.79A

Same power output, 9.1 watts, in both scenarios. One LR, and one HR.

18650 = 1600mAh:

1600mAh/2470mA = .65hr
1600mAh/1790mA = .89hr

Obviously, people get more than .65 hours, or .89 hours out of an 18650, but remember the equations above are for continuous running. E-cigs only run a few seconds at a time. The point however, is that there is more available run time, with a lower current draw.

 

[Nicotinologist]

The botom line is wattage. It is the main variable in the equation. Electric power companies charges in watts no matter if you are running at 115vac, 220, 440volts on your equipments. Thanks.

 

[gimmieshelter31]

I'm kinda confused by both yours and his wording... so I will put it out there for us normal types. Having 2 identical systems, i.e. same watts in the case of e-cigs, a LR setup will pull more current than a HR setup will. The higher current causes faster battery drain.

1.5ohms @ 3.7v = 9.1watts @ 2.47A
2.8ohms @ 5v = 9.1watts @ 1.79A

Same power output, 9.1 watts, in both scenarios. One LR, and one HR.

18650 = 1600mAh:

1600mAh/2470mA = .65hr
1600mAh/1790mA = .89hr

Obviously, people get more than .65 hours, or .89 hours out of an 18650, but remember the equations above are for continuous running. E-cigs only run a few seconds at a time. The point however, is that there is more available run time, with a lower current draw.

Agree. rondasherrill is correct . Also , to maximize battery life care must be taken to properly handle store and charge your batteries.

I'm no expert though I have made it a point in my vaping journey to get and continue to educate myself to pertinent facts when it comes to
things vaping related as I see rondasherrill has also.

A battery holds a finite amount of charge . Using that charge efficiently while achieving desired effect is in a portable ejuice vaporizer user's best interest .

 

[rondasherrill]

The botom line is wattage. It is the main variable in the equation. Electric power companies charges in watts no matter if you are running at 115vac, 220, 440volts on your equipments. Thanks.

Time Between Battery Charging

The theoretical time between battery charging is equal to the battery's capacity divided by the average current draw.

Electric companies charge by the kWh, because not everything in your house is a resistive load. Most AC loads involve some sort of phase, that returns power back to the source. That does not happen in a DC/purely resistive load system like an e-cig. All power to the load gets used up.

 

[vaptamist]

I think Nic's point wasn't to compare two different ohm'ed cartos at the same voltage, but rather that you would ultimately end up adjusting them to the same wattage (in an attempt to get the same vape) and thus the net power drain is identical. I could be wrong, though...

The net drain would not be equal for a 1.5 ohm atomizer and a 2.5 ohm atomizer at the same wattage. Wattage is the end result, and how "hot" the atomizer coil will be. This is not the same as current, which is how much is being pulled out of the battery itself.

Let's use 10 watts as an example:

1.5 ohm atomizer at 3.87 volts is about 10 watts. This would pull 2.58 AMPS of current.
2.5 ohm atomizer at 5.00 volts is about 10 watts. This would pull 2.00 AMPS of current.

Same wattage, but the lower resisted load would use about 30% more current stressing the battery more and draining it faster.

 

[TheBlueAdept]

Thanks for the example! If I had done the math instead of trying to answer theoretically, I would have seen my mistake.

At the same time I was also busy trying to help clear up a misunderstanding I probably should have just stayed out of

Sent from my phone; Please excuse typos / autocorrections.